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Eliot Rosewater

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58. Whataboutism is what we expect when someone admits they do not care

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Fri Jan 11, 2019, 12:56 PM

Jan 2019

what their team does, no matter what they do they are good with it.

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Sanders' 2020 Ambitions May Be On Shaky Ground Amid Allegations [View all] SidDithers Jan 2019 OP

That's best for everyone concerned. He should just finish his term and retire. I'm sure... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #1

As the person who did his taxes for some time..... WeekiWater Jan 2019 #2

I wonder which one of their houses will become their primary residence? NurseJackie Jan 2019 #4

Agreed. democratisphere Jan 2019 #6

Do you share the same stance for Clinton? angrychair Jan 2019 #11

No more double standards and false equivalencies. R B Garr Jan 2019 #14

I'm so sick of double-standards. NurseJackie Jan 2019 #15

I agree angrychair Jan 2019 #23

... NurseJackie Jan 2019 #24

Yes, it's a totally reasonable expectation, especially R B Garr Jan 2019 #28

"No more double standards" angrychair Jan 2019 #17

Thank you mcar Jan 2019 #21

Part of his ability to stay was that he receive counseling. apcalc Jan 2019 #65

Is seven times not yet enough to keep pulling the same false-equivalency? LanternWaste Jan 2019 #74

It is sad that the NT Times chose to be so dishonest in their reporting. Here is the truth: StevieM Jan 2019 #93

Don't worry this is a nothing burger. Its a hit piece. Bernie is fine. Joe941 Jan 2019 #3

Yup. It's also an intentional hatchet job post in itself -- it's obvious just by KPN Jan 2019 #38

Good ! stonecutter357 Jan 2019 #5

He didn't sexually assault anyone angrychair Jan 2019 #7

Nobody has accused Sanders of assaulting anyone... SidDithers Jan 2019 #10

Not a defense angrychair Jan 2019 #13

Did Bernie identify the persons involved and make them go to counseling? ismnotwasm Jan 2019 #49

I think that's merely an excuse you're using. LanternWaste Jan 2019 #76

No, hardly angrychair Jan 2019 #85

Whataboutism is what we expect when someone admits they do not care Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #58

We could see the abuse of Clinton from his campaign, so R B Garr Jan 2019 #12

As I stated angrychair Jan 2019 #16

It's a total false equivalency. It's just an attempt to R B Garr Jan 2019 #19

Fine angrychair Jan 2019 #25

The standard applied to Sanders so far is WhataboutHillary. R B Garr Jan 2019 #30

What?!? angrychair Jan 2019 #33

The obvious omission is that Bernie has been exempt R B Garr Jan 2019 #34

sanders et al pamdb Jan 2019 #8

+10000000000. N/T angrychair Jan 2019 #9

Yeah, I dont have to say I dont want Sanders, I am a democrat so it goes without saying Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #60

The last paragraph is absolutely chilling. The allegiance goes to TRUMP? What the ever-loving hell? Hekate Jan 2019 #18

they think that Sanders will inspire middle Americans...say those voters who were pulled JCanete Jan 2019 #29

Honestly, I hope she is speaking only for herself--but she's a union leader and activist... Hekate Jan 2019 #31

Its her belief, and no matter what happens I hope she's wrong...but what exactly is appaling? JCanete Jan 2019 #40

Really, JCanete? We're discussing her threat to vote for Trump if she can't have Sanders... Hekate Jan 2019 #45

what? you interpreted that. Where did she say that? That isn't how I interpreted it at all. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #48

Quote here Hekate Jan 2019 #55

well you're right in part. She certainly doesn't speak for herself and suggest she won't vote for JCanete Jan 2019 #59

You are right, and she doesn't have a good track record with her predictions emulatorloo Jan 2019 #80

what? You mean directly via trump or as a reaction? If the former that's pretty nutty. If the latter JCanete Jan 2019 #81

Directly via Trump. "The one I'm counting on the most is Trump" emulatorloo Jan 2019 #82

WOW! Great find, emulatorloo! There she is quoted saying R B Garr Jan 2019 #87

Amazing, isnt it. I know, lets keep pretending she is the only one . Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #61

Thanks for getting it Hekate Jan 2019 #83

Ummm ... chilling? Lol. One, look at the source. RoseAnn DeMoro is just another Hoffa KPN Jan 2019 #44

Well, consider the source. DeMoro thought Trump would bring us single payer emulatorloo Jan 2019 #78

Hmmm (bold mine) mcar Jan 2019 #20

Yes, that reveals a lot about that mindset. Can't figure R B Garr Jan 2019 #32

It's obviously not about policies or values mcar Jan 2019 #35

A panelist on MSNBC said Sanders was finished as a viable contender. LexVegas Jan 2019 #22

weird that a panelist at msnbc would say that. must make it true. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #27

Hope so... SidDithers Jan 2019 #42

For the survival of America, I agree. Eliot Rosewater Jan 2019 #62

oh jesus....something happened in his campaign and they are nearly making it him that did it. JCanete Jan 2019 #26

Whataboutism mcar Jan 2019 #36

no its not. its about the framing of the article. I'm not trying to say Sanders shouldn't own JCanete Jan 2019 #39

No. It's right there in your own post. What about Hillary. R B Garr Jan 2019 #46

that wasn't the fucking point. The point was that this is a reality that we are facing as a nation JCanete Jan 2019 #51

It was about Sanders campaign. Of course the article is R B Garr Jan 2019 #54

seriously? Attempting to use this issue to say that his days are numbered as a candidate is just JCanete Jan 2019 #63

Huh? This is too convoluted. The article isn't that confusing, R B Garr Jan 2019 #67

yeah, i'm not confused by it at all. nt JCanete Jan 2019 #68

LOL R B Garr Jan 2019 #70

Actually the article isn't really a hit piece, but this presentation of it clearly is! KPN Jan 2019 #47

the title is a hit though, unless that was the poster's. JCanete Jan 2019 #53

I disagree. The allegations are being used as fodder in a deliberate attempt to derail a potential KPN Jan 2019 #64

the title read in a vacuum suggests there are nefarious allegations about sanders. You don't read JCanete Jan 2019 #66

There are allegations -- that is true. Nefarious is your interpretation, not mine ... and I'm KPN Jan 2019 #69

even the target of the allegations is obfuscated in the title. And again, the next line is JCanete Jan 2019 #73

Yeah, the article sure doesn't help him, but I'm not sure it hurts him that much either. TPM is KPN Jan 2019 #77

heh...well I guess its unfortunate for Sanders that he's not a Democrat by the standard that JCanete Jan 2019 #79

Sexism Claims From Bernie Sanders's 2016 Run: Paid Less, Treated Worse Gothmog Jan 2019 #91

The orchestrated hatchet job continues ... Franken-esque! KPN Jan 2019 #37

Exactly. Al Franken was railroaded! Joe941 Jan 2019 #41

And we actually have some Democrats who are trying to do that again. KPN Jan 2019 #50

Actually, it was Clinton who was railroaded. R B Garr Jan 2019 #57

I was a die-hard Bernie supporter in 2016 Victor_c3 Jan 2019 #43

Now this is a post I can appreciate. KPN Jan 2019 #52

I want to find someone younger too. Hassin Bin Sober Jan 2019 #71

Kamala Harris ranks as the most progressive Senator. MrsCoffee Jan 2019 #75

You guys are really working overtime on this. CentralMass Jan 2019 #56

Two dozen Sanders 2016 staffers signed the letter. They are hoping he will do better in 2020 emulatorloo Jan 2019 #88

It's the opposite. No more working overtime to discount R B Garr Jan 2019 #89

He's Lost Chuckles Me. Jan 2019 #72

I saw something about what Cha Jan 2019 #95

And Then... Me. Jan 2019 #96

Yes, it's posted on DU.. Cha Jan 2019 #97

... Me. Jan 2019 #98

U2 Cha Jan 2019 #99

Thanks for posting this Sid. I think the last paragraph was worth the read. Power 2 the People Jan 2019 #84

We know that California went massively for Clinton, so R B Garr Jan 2019 #86

CNN-Bernie Sanders has a problem Gothmog Jan 2019 #90

he didn't know, too busy. Not good. Cha Jan 2019 #94

K&R Scurrilous Jan 2019 #92