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228. You act as if Sweden would be forced to do this in the future, that's just plain ridiculous.
Mon Aug 20, 2012, 10:23 AM
Aug 2012

This doesn't set a precedent or standard, this does nothing to remove even a bit of Sweden's sovereignty. And they wouldn't have to change their system at all. They claim that they want him for reasons that has nothing to do with extradition, there's no reason they can't give him that assurance and there's no reason giving him that means they'd have to do it again in the future. That claim is utterly ridiculous.

if the allegations were true then Sweden has acted in the most disgusting manner Swagman Aug 2012 #1
How many times do you have to be told how the Swedish system works? hack89 Aug 2012 #22
dream on. Swagman Aug 2012 #26
Lawyers negotiate the arrest of their clients all the time. hack89 Aug 2012 #27
She can arrest him there - there's an unprecedented Interpol arrest warrant for questioning! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #39
If she was to arrest him in London would Assange surrender and go back to Sweden? hack89 Aug 2012 #48
I'm sure he'd have no choice unless he found a way to suicide himself riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #51
Too bad she cannot arrest him in London. hack89 Aug 2012 #52
The British police just recently arrested 11 Icelandic bankers on Interpol arrest warrants riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #57
Yes - and those bankers will go through a extradition hearing like Assange hack89 Aug 2012 #64
Sure he will, Sweden just has to give him an assurance they won't extradite him to the US. Simple riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #67
He is not in the position to demand anything. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #71
US intends to extradite Assange, cables show riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #72
Did you actually read that article? hack89 Aug 2012 #74
Obviously tama Aug 2012 #143
Obviously he is tama Aug 2012 #129
I meant he is not in the position to make demands that will be met. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #135
He is if they want to interview him Aerows Aug 2012 #191
Did you see how small the embassy is? hack89 Aug 2012 #195
Exactly Aerows Aug 2012 #190
Yes he is, and I expect that annoys you. JackRiddler Aug 2012 #255
How? hack89 Aug 2012 #258
Apparently he does have a legal leg to stand on or he wouldn't be sitting in the Embassy sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #274
Didn't I just say that he will stay in the embassy? hack89 Aug 2012 #275
Lol, the Daily Mail! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #276
Do you understand that he cannot run Wikileaks from the embassy? hack89 Aug 2012 #277
Neutralized? He just got the support of the entire continent of South America, sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #278
No - Assange did not get the support of the entire continent of South America hack89 Aug 2012 #279
I give up. If you cannot understand what happened here, I don't have time to waste sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #280
Painting oneself into a corner is a funny definition of checkmate hack89 Aug 2012 #281
You're free to stop painting yourself into a corner anytime you choose. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #282
How do you think this will end? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #283
No she can't. hack89 Aug 2012 #55
Yes, the UK police do this all the time riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #59
The British police did arrest Assange once and were preparing to arrest him again hack89 Aug 2012 #68
I see nothing in your comments that preclude or even defend the Swedish prosecutor from interviewing hlthe2b Aug 2012 #53
Because the interview is the final step before charges and arrest hack89 Aug 2012 #58
The Brits have already agreed to extradict him. There is no reason NOT to interview him in London. hlthe2b Aug 2012 #61
FAIL: Sweden interviews suspects in OTHER countries: kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #69
The point being argued is that the Swedes can't arrest someone in a foreign country hack89 Aug 2012 #73
Your "point" is bullshit. You don't have one anymore. kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #79
Why should they participate in a farce? hack89 Aug 2012 #81
In defeat, you flail about wildly kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #91
So you honestly believe that Assange would have surrendered to Swedish authorities hack89 Aug 2012 #94
You do not disappoint me! kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #96
But you won't answer - because you know what Assange would have done. hack89 Aug 2012 #99
go kenny! robinlynne Aug 2012 #147
Because they CREATED the farce when prosecutors were ORDERED... TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #98
He does not deserve special consideration hack89 Aug 2012 #102
Wishfull thinking from your part, obviously n/t tama Aug 2012 #112
which particular British law has he broken reorg Aug 2012 #197
You are aware that he had been arrested in Britain and was under house arrest? hack89 Aug 2012 #198
Yes, I am aware of that. Which particular British law has he broken reorg Aug 2012 #201
Ecsaping from confinment, fleeing justice and violating bail conditions hack89 Aug 2012 #205
it is not important but typical reorg Aug 2012 #210
He has potentially committed two "Offences against the administration of public justice" hack89 Aug 2012 #211
Not "should" tama Aug 2012 #113
Assange did surrender to the British Authorities. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #159
Please actually read my posts before answering them hack89 Aug 2012 #162
He sought asylum in the Ecuadoran Embassy and in the expert opinions of sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #166
Spot on malokvale77 Aug 2012 #200
Bravo. Well said. Matariki Aug 2012 #208
Yep, that's about the size of it. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #263
Thank you. I knew this info was out there but I didn't have time to look for it. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #126
So why don't they go ahead and interview him? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #254
Assange fled Sweden the day before he was to be interviewed. hack89 Aug 2012 #257
Hmmm... Not at all the story. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #260
That is what his lawyer said under oath in a British court. hack89 Aug 2012 #261
Here is the real truth. hack89 Aug 2012 #262
His lawyer had asked for an interview for weeks and was refused. He was then told it was okay sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #264
The lawyer(and thus Assange) knew seven days in advance of Assange's interview. hack89 Aug 2012 #265
I live in country next to Sweden tama Aug 2012 #105
So Assange willingly choose indefinite incarceration in the Ecuadorian embassy. hack89 Aug 2012 #106
At least there he has computer access tama Aug 2012 #111
I suspect that Ecuador has put strict limits on his activities hack89 Aug 2012 #128
You are big on suspecting and making innuendo tama Aug 2012 #136
So Correa, the president who jails journalists for daring to criticize him hack89 Aug 2012 #141
Again just misinformation tama Aug 2012 #146
He's having a great time according to his beautiful, female Australian legal advisor. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #219
I doubt he is working on Wikileaks hack89 Aug 2012 #221
Being a journalist is breaking the law? Lol! sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #222
You keep genuflecting in the direction of St Assange hack89 Aug 2012 #224
And since the police DID interview Assange and have been free to do so again sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #160
The 'legal impediments' was Assange's extradition hearing hack89 Aug 2012 #163
Well now you are proving HIS point, his reason for not being willing to trust them. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #167
Once again - the Swedish system is not like America. hack89 Aug 2012 #170
Then why have the refused to accept his repeated invitations to speak to him? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #171
They can't charge him until he is interviewed. He is a suspect, not a witness. hack89 Aug 2012 #172
What utter bs. Of course they can charge him and THEN arrest him. You have sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #173
And has been demonstrated to you over and over, they can arrest him in the UK. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #174
They did. There was an extradition hearing hack89 Aug 2012 #175
Then why pray tell do you say over and over that "they can't arrest him"? They can riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #176
So you support the British entering the embassy and arresting him? hack89 Aug 2012 #181
I absolutely do NOT support violating the sovereignty of a foreign embassy riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #182
The Swedes could not have arrested him in London hack89 Aug 2012 #185
Oh, its just arrest, "in general".... riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #189
So you think the Swedish police have arrest powers in Britain? Really? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #192
That is so much bs. If they believe there is sufficient evidence to arrest him, they don't need 1monster Aug 2012 #203
The Swedes told his lawyer he was to be interviewed and most likey arrested hack89 Aug 2012 #207
As has been pointed out by others here, and I remember this myself, 1monster Aug 2012 #215
His lawyer testified to this in a British court - it is a matter of public record hack89 Aug 2012 #216
I think this is a lost cause hack89 dendrobium Aug 2012 #168
Sweden has done so before HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #179
But they cannot arrest suspects on foreign soil. hack89 Aug 2012 #180
Wow, are you ever misinformed! HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #194
You might want to talk to Assange's lawyer - he would disagree with you. hack89 Aug 2012 #196
No he did not. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #199
So why did his Swedish lawyer testify otherwise? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #206
yep. mine too. cali Aug 2012 #2
Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #3
Of course. But expect the dutiful MIC apologists here to say otherwise. villager Aug 2012 #4
I get so sick of the stupid applications of that label cali Aug 2012 #7
there are lots of ways to internalize a narrative provided by society's owners villager Aug 2012 #82
lol. jargon cracks me up. cali Aug 2012 #84
Like "lol" in internet posts? villager Aug 2012 #86
It's not the disagreement, it's the apologies and situational ethics. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #108
Been outta loop, what's MIC short for? nt tama Aug 2012 #144
Military Industrial Complex. Its something Eisenhower first put into common usage riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #157
Thanks, shouldda known tama Aug 2012 #158
That right there Aerows Aug 2012 #5
Exactly. hifiguy Aug 2012 #63
Ecuador is being commended now all over the world. The Brits and Sweden are being sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #6
--- also need a boycott of U.K. jerseyjack Aug 2012 #13
Yeah, there is big difference tama Aug 2012 #119
+1B. Blatant political persecution. Disgusting. magical thyme Aug 2012 #8
Not all of the Assange-haters are RW trolls. The Doctor. Aug 2012 #9
And milquetoast centrists nxylas Aug 2012 #10
well, I find him repugnant cali Aug 2012 #14
While I don't go so far as to think him repugnant, KitSileya Aug 2012 #32
That is how I feel about him and the situation as a whole. NCTraveler Aug 2012 #70
Yup tama Aug 2012 #120
I think this describes the feelings of a lot of people LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #137
That is primarily the US's fault muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #11
that is true. And why don't they? Swagman Aug 2012 #18
There's nothing to reveal. jeff47 Aug 2012 #30
+1. Good point. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #35
Yes! And no doubt the US wants a secret or military trial... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #43
"--- You can't give a blanket pardon to someone before seeing the evidence..." jerseyjack Aug 2012 #12
he isn't asking for a 'pardon'. Swagman Aug 2012 #16
Sure he is jeff47 Aug 2012 #29
Why shouldn't he be able to break US law? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #45
a fact lost on some US politicians and media talking heads who have Swagman Aug 2012 #87
I was totally fucking flabbergasted yesterday laundry_queen Aug 2012 #107
Let's say he decides to increase his funding by running a carding scam. jeff47 Aug 2012 #114
good to know you support a Swedish prosecutor who is a partner in a law firm advised by Karl Rove Swagman Aug 2012 #85
Good to know guilt by association is more important to you than the law. (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #115
Justice and conscience and empathy tama Aug 2012 #142
You silly Americans cpwm17 Aug 2012 #145
It is a little more complicated than that. Savannahmann Aug 2012 #15
I accept the "emotional response" argument. redgreenandblue Aug 2012 #17
just a small correction-there are no charges nor would it be 'rape' under Swagman Aug 2012 #19
I think it would be rape, under Swedish law muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #21
Nah according to many on this site it was whistler162 Aug 2012 #24
No it is an opportunist prosecutor using the women to get Assange Swagman Aug 2012 #89
yeh the funny thing is none of these women are claiming they were raped.. frylock Aug 2012 #116
your wrong on that Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #223
that's a right-wing swedish publication with an obvious bias.. frylock Aug 2012 #230
one of your fellow assange supporters used the article to defend assange by making false claims Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #231
you'll have to take that up with my fellow assange supporter.. frylock Aug 2012 #233
oh i quite agree Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #242
Actually, it's one of the oldest swedish newspapers; it's owned by a labor federation; and struggle4progress Aug 2012 #248
Well, when women state clearly that they were not raped, I think it is insulting to sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #133
where exactly do they state that? n/t Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #266
Except the alleged victims themselves dont think it was rape, HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #101
Links for that, please muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #124
Several links in the various threads. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #127
Note that one charge *is* for rape muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #131
You've misread. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #139
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #235
Except the women themselves aren't calling it "rape", nor did they want to press charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #34
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #236
and yet Sweden's actions have been an utter disgrace to genuine rape victims everywhere Swagman Aug 2012 #88
The women both said there was no rape. One of them was so upset when sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #93
This is indeed the "Godwin" of sex-criminology kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #95
Minor corrections tama Aug 2012 #109
Thank you, PM. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #121
I understood what you hinted at by "Republican party" tama Aug 2012 #140
"The other woman wanted to report rape. I gave my testimony to support her story" struggle4progress Aug 2012 #237
Yes, she lied about her friend. Thanks. So much exculpatory evidence never sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #238
If you think their testimony supports your view you believe them; otherwise you call them liars struggle4progress Aug 2012 #240
And you are still not posting the evidence that shows that the 'other woman' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #241
Nothing surprising tama Aug 2012 #138
I read something... malokvale77 Aug 2012 #20
What guarantees did the UK offer when Assange turned himself in? Robb Aug 2012 #23
The "rape" charge is just a trumped up excuse.. ananda Aug 2012 #25
Why would he be sent to the US? jeff47 Aug 2012 #28
yeah, that's what bothers me about this whole narrative. yodermon Aug 2012 #31
For the 10th time since you keep spamming these threads, Sweden has a history of rendition riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #33
And the UK doesn't? treestar Aug 2012 #38
No. The UK has not been implicated in THAT particular war crime. But Sweden has nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #42
What war crime? treestar Aug 2012 #44
Sweden was complicit with US in previous cases of extraordinary rendition. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #47
Do you really think he will ever "disappear?" treestar Aug 2012 #54
Sweden also participated in Iraq and Afghanistan riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #49
Then why hasn't the big, bad US done anything? treestar Aug 2012 #56
Last time I'm going to answer this. Sweden has a history of participating in illegal rendition riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #65
Why is there a grand jury? treestar Aug 2012 #150
To declare him a terrorist or an enemy combatat so they can disappear him riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #154
please read this : "US intends to pursue Assange, (Aust Govt) cables show" Swagman Aug 2012 #90
Any proof it would be outside the norms of American justice system? treestar Aug 2012 #151
The US is doing something. They have a Grand Jury seated looking into charging sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #97
Isn't a grand jury part of our legal system? treestar Aug 2012 #152
Only if there is some evidence of a crime. Journalism is not a crime. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #155
The UK extradites about 20 people/yr to the US, Sweden extradites about 1/yr struggle4progress Aug 2012 #177
You conveniently forgot that Sweden illegal renditions people too. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #183
When the whole sordid history of that era is written down, it will be clear that the UK was more struggle4progress Aug 2012 #184
You mean when Wikileaks exposes the UK like they did with Sweden's war crimes riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #186
The 2001 Swedish case wasn't exposed by Wikileaks: the victims sued in court for damages and won struggle4progress Aug 2012 #187
Please by all means, avoid the point that we won't know the "whole sordid tale" riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #193
Then why wouldn't Sweden agree to no extradition? EOTE Aug 2012 #40
Take a minute to think about your arguement jeff47 Aug 2012 #213
What makes no sense is Sweden not agreeing not to extradite EOTE Aug 2012 #226
Such agreements are never made. jeff47 Aug 2012 #229
That is simply not true. EOTE Aug 2012 #232
You're only 1/8th right jeff47 Aug 2012 #252
By what incredibly strange math? Now you're simply picking nits. EOTE Aug 2012 #256
Why won't Sweden promise not to send him to US? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #46
Because it's the equivalent of issuing a pardon. jeff47 Aug 2012 #117
Oh. That's hogwash. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #125
Under what grounds would he be expelled? jeff47 Aug 2012 #212
Hes not a Swedish citizen. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #218
Let's pretend that happens jeff47 Aug 2012 #220
Huh? Why would he go to NY? HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #234
So....why the hell were you talking about him being expelled 3 posts ago? jeff47 Aug 2012 #251
Because if Sweden expells him following legal procedings HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #253
but if they wanted to aid the us with an 'extraordinary' rendition they'd just say 'sure we promise' Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #267
If there is an agreement with US authorities, HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #273
WTF? JackRiddler Aug 2012 #259
UK has refused to participate in rendition. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #188
Then the UK would have extradited him treestar Aug 2012 #36
Simple question. EOTE Aug 2012 #66
Because they don't routinely do that in similar cases treestar Aug 2012 #75
Yeah, because they have no intention of doing so. EOTE Aug 2012 #80
You mean no one has ever been extradited to Sweden before? treestar Aug 2012 #153
Uhhh, you've completely missed the point. EOTE Aug 2012 #164
You're making your own set of standards that the Swedes have to follow here treestar Aug 2012 #165
You act as if Sweden would be forced to do this in the future, that's just plain ridiculous. EOTE Aug 2012 #228
For one thing, he's asking for a blank check. cemaphonic Aug 2012 #148
That's the fun part of government secrecy tama Aug 2012 #204
Anyone who claims not to understand this simple concept... EOTE Aug 2012 #37
It is quite simple. HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #50
occam's razor and sich frylock Aug 2012 #118
Yes. I think most DUers acknowledge "Agent Mike". HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #123
DoD Dave frylock Aug 2012 #130
Or "Doood"... HooptieWagon Aug 2012 #134
Stratfor Steve backscatter712 Aug 2012 #149
occam's razor Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #268
i suppose that could be the case, aside from the inconvenient fact that the women.. frylock Aug 2012 #271
one of the females thinks she was a victim of sexual abuse/molestation but not rape Bodhi BloodWave Aug 2012 #272
I've felt quite sick to my stomach all day after reading some comments Swagman Aug 2012 #92
A well founded nausea kenny blankenship Aug 2012 #100
"It's as thought he last ten years never happened and I find it frightening." riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #103
I think it's the same people who run around this website questioning other Democrats Puglover Aug 2012 #270
What general principle of international law are you claiming here? struggle4progress Aug 2012 #178
Of course there is no right. EOTE Aug 2012 #225
Such possibilities, and similar possibilities, are already covered by existing treaties: struggle4progress Aug 2012 #227
No one is asking that Assange be able to set the terms for extradition. EOTE Aug 2012 #245
Assange thinks he can set conditions Sweden must meet, before he goes to Sweden struggle4progress Aug 2012 #246
No shit they disagree. That's why Assange isn't stupid enough to go to Sweden. EOTE Aug 2012 #249
So you DO believe a person under extradition order has some right, to demand that everyone promise struggle4progress Aug 2012 #250
+1. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #41
Do we need 30 threads on this guy? majority of people don't care. Can we have an Assange Forum? n/t progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #60
It's the DU way. Dozens of threads on one topic. Cleita Aug 2012 #77
You have hit the nail squarely on the head. hifiguy Aug 2012 #62
Yes, you are right. Cleita Aug 2012 #76
It don't matter atreides1 Aug 2012 #78
K&R redqueen Aug 2012 #83
dear! precious! Julian never argued in court that he was in danger of being sent on to the US struggle4progress Aug 2012 #104
Your implication tama Aug 2012 #110
"... There was at one stage a suggestion that Mr Assange could be extradited to the USA (possibly to struggle4progress Aug 2012 #122
Your implication tama Aug 2012 #132
That court made a terrible decision, which is not unusual for courts btw. But that sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #156
Sure, just trust us says Sweden, the country that rendered two human beings sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #169
It's shocking the amount of DUers who do not view it as a crime anymore. nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #202
Sweden improperly transferred two prisoners to Egypt in 2001 and got struggle4progress Aug 2012 #239
Improperly transferred? laundry_queen Aug 2012 #243
Here's the 2006 HRW summary: Diplomatic Assurances Against Torture Offer No Protection From Abuse struggle4progress Aug 2012 #244
Clearly you struggle with reading comprehension. nt laundry_queen Aug 2012 #247
+1 - would love to see struggle4progress answer your post Matariki Aug 2012 #209
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #161
Agreed. nt avebury Aug 2012 #214
No, it really isn't Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #217
So... Sweden should put aside treaties and international laws for this one man because? CabCurious Aug 2012 #269
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