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In reply to the discussion: Trump will not win the 2020 popular vote [View all]jimmy the one
(2,708 posts)vox: Her popular vote margin over Trump all came from California" ... One could just as easily pick any state or region, and add or subtract its votes to make some case for this-or-that trend,
Yes concur; same as accusing one particular senator or congressman for a certain unpopular bill for one side, since it was a one vote margin, as if the other congresspeople had nowt to do with the vote.
And as well, trump didnt just lose by 3 million votes, he lost by about 9.5 million votes, to predominantly four parties & 5 candidates: clinton, johnson-weld, mcmullin, stein. About 9.5 million outscores california by double.
Three of these 4 candidates might have formed a coalition AGAINST trump & most all of his controversial 2016 policies, but not one of the 4 would have formed a coalition WITH trump against any of the others. They were all essentially anti-trump, and far moreso re stein than against hillary clinton. (stein was anti-clinton - jill stein tweet, nov 2,2016: Just because I hold Clinton accountable doesn't mean I have "endorsed" Trump. They're both terrible candidates).
Indeed, Clinton & Democrats had a tacit 11th hour voter swap detentè with Libertarians (& other groups), so as to swap votes where clinton was certainly going to lose (dem to lib), to states where it was close (lib to dem). These two parties libertarian & democrat together had approx 51.5% of the popular vote, which is a majority in itself, and the two parties obviously & blatantly opposed trump, who had 46.0%, making it a 5.5 point spread, a minor mandate against trump just from those two parties alone. Probably toss in steins & mcmullins and its nearly a 7 pt spread.
So trump stooges should disabuse themselves that they had some *will of the people* behind them. They did not, the will was against trump & most all he stood for on campaign issues.
Weld urges support for Clinton if votes aren't with Libertarians ... Asked if he would tell a voter split between the two major party nominees to choose Clinton, Weld said, "Absolutely. I've sort of said that from Day One, I think. ... Hillary Clinton is former Gov. Bill Weld's second choice in the presidential election after his own -libertarian- ticket,.. I hope Gary Johnson and Bill Weld win the presidential election, but if we don't I hope Hillary Clinton does," Weld told reporters - I think Mr. Trump is massively unfit to be president just on grounds of stability and temperament, and Mrs. Clinton is perfectly fit. https://www.telegram.com/news/20161108/weld-urges-support-for-clinton-if-votes-arent-with-libertarians
Presidential ticket Party Ballot access Votes Percentage
States Electors % of voters
Trump / Pence Republican 50 + DC 538 100% 62,984,828 46.09%
Clinton / Kaine Democratic 50 + DC 538 100% 65,853,514 48.18%
Johnson / Weld Libertarian 50 + DC 538 100% 4,489,341 3.28%
Stein / Baraka Green 44 + DC 480 89% 1,457,218 1.07%
McMullin / Finn Independent 11 84 15% 731,991 0.54%
Castle / Bradley Constitution 24 207 39% 203,090 0.15%
CNN: .. had the Democrats managed to capture the bulk of third-party voters in some of the closest contests -- Wisconsin (10), Pennsylvania (20), Michigan (16) and Florida (29) -- Clinton would have defeated Trump by earning 307 Electoral College votes, enough to secure the presidency.
Johnson said he hoped his candidacy would wipe out the two-party system and, in a recent MSNBC appearance, literally held his nose shut at the mention of Clinton and Trump. Stein said she would not "sleep well" in the event of a Clinton or Trump presidency and suggested Clinton would be more likely to start a nuclear war than the current president-elect.
However, Johnson's running mate, former Massachusetts Gov. Bill Weld, took a different tack. He defended Clinton regularly and argued Trump was a unique threat to the United States. https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/politics/gary-johnson-jill-stein-spoiler/index.html
The Libertarians Reluctantly Voting For Hillary Clinton Because #NeverTrump Fear of a Trump presidency has put a number of libertarian-ish thinkers "with her." .. for a significant number of politicos, intellectuals, writers, artists, and other notables in the libertarian-ish sphere of thought, it's a day few expected: the day they vote for Hillary Clinton .. They are all generally united by a profound revulsion at the prospect of Donald Trump occupying the White House for the next four years. https://reason.com/blog/2016/11/08/libertarians-voting-clinton-nevertrump
also consider: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote_pairing_in_the_2016_United_States_presidential_election