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Cyrano

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86. I'm the OP of this thread which became another Bernie/other war

Sun Dec 30, 2018, 07:54 PM

Dec 2018

Fuck the Bernie/other DU war.

My original post was about winning back control of the government at the national and state levels. This thread was not for or against Bernie. It was about who controls the government.

I'm not for or against Bernie. I'm a devout Democrat. But it seems that every pro/anti Bernie DUer jumped into this thread and made it about something other than my OP.

I ask anyone who gives a damn to go back to the top and read the original post.

My message was this: I. Don't. Give. A. Shit. Who. Wins. the presidency in 2020. As long as it's a Democrat. And we must also hold onto the House, take back the Senate, and win every governorship and state legislature that we can.

Headline aside, this thread is not about Bernie. It's about us and our country. This is what we all should care about. Come January 21st of 2021, a Democratic president must be the one taking the oath of office. Whoever she or he is.

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Here's why Bernie shouldn't run [View all] Cyrano Dec 2018 OP

Word...as long as they are not Republican....that is my only disqualifier. And fractured as we were UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #1

Word...As Long As They're A DEm...A Real One Me. Dec 2018 #2

Well the party is going to choose....just as they did last time. That's one thing that has also UniteFightBack Dec 2018 #4

It's Not The Same As Choosing The Primary Winner Me. Dec 2018 #8

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #3

he's too Divisive. Cha Dec 2018 #5

I agree jcgoldie Dec 2018 #36

Yeah, that should enter his head. Cha Dec 2018 #40

He helped elect Trump by being wishy washy at the end when he lost the nomination katmondoo Dec 2018 #68

Its funny. In another thread I said if the vote were today I'd vote for Bernie aikoaiko Dec 2018 #6

"will do anything to keep Bernie from winning the nomination..." brooklynite Dec 2018 #7

If only that were all that were done. Well, I remember other persuasive means being used. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #10

What persuasive means? A primary is held every four years. Someone wins, and someone loses... Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #19

Totally agree marlakay Dec 2018 #9

Isn't Tulsi the Bernie replacement? n/t seaglass Dec 2018 #13

I wouldn't know, but Elizabeth Warren seems more aligned and a stronger candidate. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #23

I'd love it if Warren ran. I thought she should've run 4 years ago Bucky Dec 2018 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #15

That isn't hard to acknowledge. Most were shown the door in liberal online media/forums aikoaiko Dec 2018 #24

You pretty much summed it up for me... it's all about economic justice (+social issues) InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #27

"Bernie Hatred Syndrome" BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #35

On cue. Its so easy. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #38

To play the victim? Yes, I agree. That's quite easy. BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #39

Yup... sad to see when we need to unite against a common foe. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #61

+1 shanny Dec 2018 #83

The attacks and smears against Democrats and the Democratic party are intentional. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #11

One only need look at the email he sent just yesterday to his followers to see how this will go..... George II Dec 2018 #44

My expectations are very low. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #47

Bernie isn't "splitting the Democratic Party" -- it's already split. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #12

We will always have areas of disagreement. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #17

I would also add that the Democratic party is not 'split'. We are doing just fine and will find ways Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #18

sure...just don't keep up the meme that Sanders or his supporters are purists. Its not true and JCanete Dec 2018 #62

Well intentioned our not, they helped Bush 2 get elected twice in my view and helped Trump Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #67

But you finding Sanders as a purist doesn't mean anything in the face of the evidence. Don't you see JCanete Dec 2018 #69

You should read the Mueller indictments. You keep insisting R B Garr Dec 2018 #71

They have an opinion about Beto's record....God Forbid. As to the indictments. JCanete Dec 2018 #73

Of course you would characterize a historic investigation R B Garr Dec 2018 #74

That's not what I characterized as nothing. I characterized your lack of an actual point as nothing. JCanete Dec 2018 #75

This is just an admission that you want to be appealed to R B Garr Dec 2018 #77

How about tell me what you are saying. You kind of have to appeal to somebody with an argument JCanete Dec 2018 #81

No one has to revise what Mueller says when it's so R B Garr Dec 2018 #84

I believe Sen. Sanders contributed to our loss in 16. There were other factors of course. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #85

Well said.. disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #94

You are asking Sanders to put his legendary ego aside. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #14

As opposed to the humble, self-effacing public servants who usually run? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #31

And then he got addicted to the adulation BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #33

And the evidence for that attack on Bernie is ... what, exactly? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #46

Bernie's toast BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #87

"headwinds"... disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #95

Have you thought about what it's going to be like BannonsLiver Jan 2019 #97

Bernie Sanders disagrees with you. His ego is no secret WeekiWater Dec 2018 #48

In my experience, people with outsized egos don't admit to it. Jim Lane Dec 2018 #49

It's not just outsized. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #50

I think he should run if he wants, but I believe the new wave of Democratic candidates will push way OnDoutside Dec 2018 #16

Post removed Post removed Dec 2018 #20

Good post. Blame without honest reflection continues to be truly absurd. JudyM Dec 2018 #21

'She couldn't win, despite the fact that she did, we shoulda seen it coming.....' MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #22

We desperately need a WINNER as our nominee. MineralMan Dec 2018 #25

What do Lyndon Johnson, Richard Nixon, Ronald Reagan, and George H. W. Bush have in common? Jim Lane Dec 2018 #32

Those are terrible examples, historically ignorant examples Bucky Dec 2018 #52

I think Trump has taken the glow off the "outsider" role Jim Lane Dec 2018 #54

Running as an outsider is not "out-Trumping Trump". Clinton and Obama both did it before. Bucky Dec 2018 #89

Hillary lost the 2008 primary and no one suggested she should be barred from running in 2016... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #59

i think what sticks in my mind is how one side so totally villanized the other side that when it.. samnsara Dec 2018 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #76

Bernie is the classic guy who... Adrahil Dec 2018 #28

quit with the bullshit. He was welcomed in, and if he weren't he wouldn't have pulled as JCanete Dec 2018 #58

Thank you for setting the record straight JC...it's a shame we can't move on & unite in a way so as InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #63

too old Merrill1066 Dec 2018 #29

Ageism. Joe941 Dec 2018 #43

Why the ageism?! Bernie has the energy and stamina of a 50-year-old... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #64

I personally will vote for the last Democrat standing. Stellar Dec 2018 #92

Ultimately, it's About the Math-If Someone Can't Win a Primary, They Can't win a General Election dlk Dec 2018 #30

That's not true. Where did you get that from? So Clinton shouldn't have run? So Trump didn't lose a JCanete Dec 2018 #60

If only we had known. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #65

I'm not losing much sleep over Bernie BannonsLiver Dec 2018 #34

No longer hero worshiping question everything Dec 2018 #53

I have Bernie Bern-out. tavernier Dec 2018 #37

It's rather undemocratic to suggest that someone shouldn't run for office... ProgLibDem Dec 2018 #41

Uh huh Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #42

Silence Electrical Arc Dec 2018 #45

Welcome to DU. ehrnst Dec 2018 #66

All Candidates Should Run If They So Choose Me. Dec 2018 #88

If Dems want to win we need to face truth about Russia, and build delisen Dec 2018 #55

Oh look, another thread bashing Bernie... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #56

The problem with the argument is that you could smply flip it and say the other camp is JCanete Dec 2018 #57

He should if he runs as a Democrat Generic Brad Dec 2018 #70

Everyone should run who wants to run. Let the primaries sort it out. My only concern is 3rd parties. Vinca Dec 2018 #72

If he wants run as a Dem and meets the qualifications, then I think that he should run. CentralMass Dec 2018 #78

then he should have remained a Democrat Tribalceltic Dec 2018 #79

He's divisive???!!! Time for change Dec 2018 #80

Anyone who thinks Bernie should not run should vote for somebody else in the primaries. shanny Dec 2018 #82

I'm the OP of this thread which became another Bernie/other war Cyrano Dec 2018 #86

"Here's why Bernie shouldn't run" disillusioned73 Jan 2019 #96

My reasons would be Meowmee Dec 2018 #90

I think you're wrong about him being all ego Bucky Dec 2018 #91

I don't think I'm wrong Meowmee Jan 2019 #93