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I have to agree with Bernie about the 3rd Way folks vlyons Dec 2018 #1
Send me a link for this group...not familiar. i would remind you, we don't win without a big Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #9
Moderate Democrats are fine dflprincess Dec 2018 #13
Hopefully, this presidential cycle, we'll get back to our progressive roots... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #26
I look at the senate and where we need votes and I don't see that at all. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #201
I hope for a win period. We need to win the Whitehouse and the Senate. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #239
Yes, winning is key and a "big tent" is an ABSOLUTE must... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #241
I agree. But they should consider the alternative. There are at least two children now in Trump's Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #248
Couldn't agree with you more about the court picks, especially the Supreme Court... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #251
Hey I promise you if Sen. Sanders becomes the nominee he will have by undying devotion and I will my Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #287
I hear ya Dems... the alternative is just too hard to fathom. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #295
It is vital we win...last time was bad enough but this...a debacle. Perhaps the end of our Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #305
No linky forthcoming, is there? Just a phrase thrown around to smear... Democrats Hekate Dec 2018 #49
lol shanny Dec 2018 #188
Here us a link marylandblue Dec 2018 #69
I see a handful of old articles, but nothing like an attack ad. ucrdem Dec 2018 #74
True, the site has not been updated lately, one person's criticism is marylandblue Dec 2018 #91
So "Third Way is running ads" is an honesty malfunction? ucrdem Dec 2018 #99
Well I don't know what's going on marylandblue Dec 2018 #103
Here is the ad by Third Way Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #135
Third Way is advertising on Twitter Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #134
Whatever it is the links don't work. ucrdem Dec 2018 #138
I got it from this tweet Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #140
Okay thanks. Yes buried in Sirota's message is a picture of a tweet. ucrdem Dec 2018 #142
'Sanders-style politics' named him. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #167
It doesn't name him personally. It's also not an attack. ucrdem Dec 2018 #173
And disagreeing is an attack? I don't agree with much of Sen. Sanders beliefs. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #207
POt/Kettle Me. Dec 2018 #275
I prefer "Bernie's Way." InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #274
I prefer Milky Way. TexasTowelie Dec 2018 #280
Love 'em... used to trade my 3 Musketeers bars for Milky Way's at Halloween. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #296
"A lot of Clintonites angry at Sanders"? Where did you get that from? lapucelle Dec 2018 #301
"Clintonites" betsuni Dec 2018 #302
It's another term for "Democrats". /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #306
I don't see that as an attack...and I don't see having a different viewpoint Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #204
The ACA May Be The Best Option Me. Dec 2018 #270
I agree..with a public option for those who don't have good exchanges and for those who's states Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #284
I'd like to see a direct reference to the actual ads that are supposedly running. George II Dec 2018 #105
I would too. yardwork Dec 2018 #109
I haven't seen any...and I looked. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #208
Me too, no luck. One wonders why anyone would be running ads in 2018 for caucuses... George II Dec 2018 #212
Using the usual divisive tactics for fund raising if you ask me...and it so bad for our efforts to Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #216
thirdway.org SMC22307 Dec 2018 #152
And where are the attack ads? Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #200
"Simple disagreement is not an attack." Exactly. SMC22307 Dec 2018 #218
The question is, where are the attack ads that Sanders accused "Wall Street Democrats" of running? George II Dec 2018 #223
Raising the retirement age, chained CPI, means testing, SMC22307 Dec 2018 #230
Link? ucrdem Dec 2018 #265
Link for what? SMC22307 Dec 2018 #281
The "attack ads" Bernie mentions. ucrdem Dec 2018 #283
I've said elsewhere in this thread... SMC22307 Dec 2018 #289
Link? Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #285
Link for what? (n/t) SMC22307 Dec 2018 #286
I would like to know who is advocating the stuff you were talking about because they suck. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #288
Everyone needs a place at the bit tent or we all get crumbs-right you are!!! Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #238
Fine but Bernie claims to be the victim of "attack ads" from "Wall Street Democrats" in the email. ucrdem Dec 2018 #264
Third Way Democrats are poison and always has been poison. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #21
No question! And forget about reaching out to Rethugs for the sake of bi-partisonship... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #30
I would remind you that someone else advocates reaching out...to Trump voters. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #211
I guess you missed the part about "compromising our values" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #221
I didn't miss it...what values are ours by the way? Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #229
Did you support Tim Kaine? Or Bob Casey? progressoid Dec 2018 #240
I wouldn't support Lipinsky or Peterson in a primary as we could get Democrats who are pro-choice Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #249
"Civil rights are not negotiable." progressoid Dec 2018 #272
The Nebraska guy had made it so women could not get an abortion using insurance while in state Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #282
You sure about Donnelly doing nothing like that? progressoid Dec 2018 #293
You're dead balls on, as usual. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #253
"...to promote a progressive agenda that includes guaranteed health care for all Americans..." SMC22307 Dec 2018 #227
I'll take votes for universal healthcare for all from anyone in any party... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #252
Universal coverage has been a core Democratic party platform goal since 1992. lapucelle Dec 2018 #303
I'd rather have a Democrat Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #117
Except Bernie is trying to pull Democrats to the left Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #119
The Democratic Party is a big tent Trumpocalypse Dec 2018 #124
NO, BS is only attacking Democrats by calling them Cha Dec 2018 #162
Just when I thought Third Way was out, they pull it back in. betsuni Dec 2018 #165
It's the Democratic Blue Wave Party that Cha Dec 2018 #169
We are planning for the next cycle now Gothmog Dec 2018 #191
Cheers to our House Democratic Cha Dec 2018 #192
You have No idea what you're talking about, justaWeirdo.. Cha Dec 2018 #158
I'm with you Cha. He is a divider. apcalc Dec 2018 #178
DLC 2.0 nt Snotcicles Dec 2018 #209
Time for a change... even my former blue-dog Democrat grandfather realizes this. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #257
Bernie aint a Democrat either. nt OhZone Dec 2018 #79
Really?! Didn't know that!! Thanks for the millionth reminder. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #254
lol 3rd Way ! stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #203
If he runs it will be as an independent, right? ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #2
They better not let him run on a Democratic ticket. leftofcool Dec 2018 #5
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #19
Too late. The time to DQ him was in 2018. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #22
Nothing wrong with that!! Bernie attracts both Democrats AND Independents... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #32
Yup. The independents are KEY. Just a Weirdo Dec 2018 #35
They will flock to Beto if he decides to run leftofcool Dec 2018 #37
It just amazes me... there are more Independents than either Democrats or Rethuglicans. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #43
Many Independents out IRL are too ashamed to call themselves Republicans. Hekate Dec 2018 #56
I always thought violetpastille Dec 2018 #94
Too many new, actual Dems to wanna re-do 2016 all over again. brush Dec 2018 #120
BS attacks the Democratic Party as Cha Dec 2018 #166
I find that rich coming from a man who owns 3 houses all american girl Dec 2018 #236
I hear ya, all american girl! Cha Dec 2018 #237
NO, We Dems don't Forget Anything.. Cha Dec 2018 #164
But it seems BS is defining who is a True Democrat for the rest of us. I'm confused. Hekate Dec 2018 #50
I read that as "attacks" and yeah - he does. OhZone Dec 2018 #83
And all of our Democratic candidates attract both Democrats and Independents, except that.... George II Dec 2018 #161
Too Late for BS to run as a Dem he Switched Cha Dec 2018 #163
He'll get steamrolled by Biden. dubyadiprecession Dec 2018 #65
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #88
Let's see... may the best candidate win. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #256
NO BERNIE, DO NOT RUN.... your time is over. trueblue2007 Dec 2018 #118
Please define "they." nt JCanete Dec 2018 #197
This message was self-deleted by its author betsuni Dec 2018 #198
If Bernie runs it will be in the Democratic Primary again. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #31
He can't, new rulz leftofcool Dec 2018 #38
Will Bernie finally release his tax returns for 2015-2019 at the very least? BlueCaliDem Dec 2018 #39
Great question. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #53
So he switches back to Democrats in the primary ismnotwasm Dec 2018 #45
Certainly the "Big Tent" is big enough for Bernie; the alternative-an Ind. run-would be catastrophic InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #279
And split the vote? nt guruoo Dec 2018 #40
Why would people want that?! That would be a disaster for us... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #255
Highly doubtful. nt ucrdem Dec 2018 #263
I don't think that would be a problem. I wish he'd done it last time. ucrdem Dec 2018 #262
Lulz. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #3
300 pennies from me. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #51
No thanks Bernie. I will be voting for Beto or another Democrat in 2020 leftofcool Dec 2018 #4
I hope that he runs. CentralMass Dec 2018 #6
Reading the "tea leaves," it's looking good!! Go Bernie!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #46
+1 CentralMass Dec 2018 #194
No, I want to win. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #215
I find this very divisive and not one dime will I send him. No one is ever 'progressive' Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #7
Bernie is not progressive enough for me. violetpastille Dec 2018 #97
The Bernie delegation proved what they think of John Lewis. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #148
+1 I will never forget violetpastille Dec 2018 #187
Nor will many of us. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #190
I won't forget either. Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #217
Agree with you there... would love to see John Lewis throw his considerable hat into the ring!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #266
I was looking up the net worth of our Congresspeople. violetpastille Dec 2018 #268
Okay, well there's 2 votes already!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #269
Really? "we made the financial elite pay a price for their attacks" How? FSogol Dec 2018 #8
I'm pretty sure Bernie is one of the financial elite. cwydro Dec 2018 #10
I'd like to know, too. WHERE ARE BERNIE SANDERS' TAX RETURNS. BlueCaliDem Dec 2018 #44
I agree, Bernie should release at least his federal tax return, but only IF he decides to run... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #47
His people are already emailing presidential campaign fundraising letters. He's going to run. BlueCaliDem Dec 2018 #62
That's fine, but, we should at least wait til Bernie makes it official before InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #106
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #11
Apparently he made sure Clinton lost. NT Adrahil Dec 2018 #14
Proof? Yeah, dont hold your breath. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #55
I agree Andy823 Dec 2018 #151
As we predicted they would. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #183
Same Old Shit. Adrahil Dec 2018 #12
You win the internet for today. If Dems win the WH some independents dont have as loud Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #58
He goal is to prove he is right. honest.abe Dec 2018 #261
He's practically begging us to put a solid progressive candidate. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #15
Would you like to wager a bet that he will run, no matter who else does? Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #59
Maybe you're right. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #68
WE have a bunch of them already: Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #73
We'll see if they can bring it on the campaign trail. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #75
Agree on Franken. Maybe if ONLY dedicated DEMOCRATS make noise about running, from the left Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #77
Social Justice is economic Justice. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #150
I tend to agree with you about the roots of social injustice being economic. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #176
This is horrific. I appreciate so much about him yet he does garbage like this. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #16
yeah, that didn't sit well with me Cosmocat Dec 2018 #61
I had a great amount of respect for many of those who... WeekiWater Dec 2018 #113
You're making WAYYYY too much sense!! InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #278
More than once in that email (I got it yesterday and was appalled) he complains about others... George II Dec 2018 #102
I believe his funding would dry up if he stopped attacking Democrats. NT WeekiWater Dec 2018 #104
Putin supported Stein's efforts because she undermined the Democratic Nominee. . . . Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #195
Putin got away with it. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #199
Of course, the attacks on Beto are Cha Dec 2018 #115
I was a bit slow on the uptake with this one. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #116
That doesn't make sense. Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #126
If that's how you see it. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #144
As Former Berniecrats.. LovingA2andMI Dec 2018 #228
I respect the battle between he and Clinton. WeekiWater Dec 2018 #242
I agree that Beto's votes - are we allowed to mention them? - are concerning... InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #259
Victim mentality-Fear is a strong motivator redstateblues Dec 2018 #17
We need to stop posting emails promoting third-party candidates who attack Democrats LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #18
I like many of his ideas but please dont run AlexSFCA Dec 2018 #20
This is exacatly why Sanders will NOT be the Democratic nominee. He is too divisive, and people do still_one Dec 2018 #23
The Bait & Switch He Did In Vermont Me. Dec 2018 #27
Is it time for his base to ask this question: Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #63
Why Would He Take On A Campaign Manager Me. Dec 2018 #93
Or vote against Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #98
Oh The Endless Questions.... Me. Dec 2018 #107
As I recall, his flock accused a certain candidate of "rigging" the primary Maven Dec 2018 #85
And I Believe That Wasn't The First Time It Was Done In Vermont Me. Dec 2018 #92
Jeez. Oh my God, my poor head. sprinkleeninow Dec 2018 #80
Money, Money, Money Me. Dec 2018 #24
Yes, three whole dollars. roody Dec 2018 #202
! JudyM Dec 2018 #210
Don't Kid Yourself Me. Dec 2018 #213
Better than soliciting corporate PAC money. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #267
But They All Take PAC Money Me. Dec 2018 #271
Nope, they do not all take corporate PAC money... they should be applauded. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #273
What are Bernie's initials? awesomerwb1 Dec 2018 #25
Sorry, I'm not buying you Lobster Sliders this time emulatorloo Dec 2018 #28
I checked into this a bit and other than the fact that moderates don't support Sanders Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #29
His voting record will be examined carefully as well as the continuous gaffes/tone-deaf statements. emulatorloo Dec 2018 #34
Someone asked for a link to "Third Way Democrats" in order to understand BS animus. Linky? Hekate Dec 2018 #33
Third Way Democrats, corporate Democrats, neoliberals...all cheap insults that comradebillyboy Dec 2018 #52
Yeppers Hekate Dec 2018 #57
Lost meaning but NOT lost effectiveness in DIVIDING democrats. Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #66
This article from Alternet exposes Bernie's smearing of Democrats as a dishonest 'branding strategy' emulatorloo Dec 2018 #70
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #95
Bernie is referring to a group named 'Third Way.' Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #129
thirdway.org SMC22307 Dec 2018 #153
Here is a link to the ad by Third Way Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #127
That is a tweet not an ad. And it is accurate in that a guy who voted to gut the ACA Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #219
Here? G_j Dec 2018 #206
PT Barnum comes to mind...nt SidDithers Dec 2018 #36
Tell me how in the FUCK can it be SO OBVIOUS to you, me and a few million others Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #67
The lure of Free Stuff For (Mainly White) People Maven Dec 2018 #89
+1 violetpastille Dec 2018 #101
what do you mean by "free stuff " mountain grammy Dec 2018 #185
We used to have to go to right wing sites to hear how Democrats want "free stuff" Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2018 #222
True that! mountain grammy Dec 2018 #225
It's incredible... since when did basic human rights become a demand for "free stuff"? InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #277
Yeah, like the basic necessities of life that are morally fair and just. InAbLuEsTaTe Dec 2018 #258
Has Bernie snowybirdie Dec 2018 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author elocs Dec 2018 #42
Last time we ran, we made the financial elite pay a price for their attacks on our progressive agend lunasun Dec 2018 #48
Who does he refer to as the "financial elite"? Those who didn't vote for him I suspect. It is still_one Dec 2018 #60
And who's he accusing of Cha Dec 2018 #189
People, we need a democratic candidate that can win in 2020 and I supported saljr1 Dec 2018 #54
At this point we Dems do not need this very sharp competition and intramural sniper shots. empedocles Dec 2018 #64
Third Way is probably pushing the wrong agenda, but SharonClark Dec 2018 #71
I would prefer he do what he is doing now. MuseRider Dec 2018 #72
📒No to that right above. We need to win elections, R B Garr Dec 2018 #76
LOL. The Independent (TM) Grifter is back for more of your small bills. Maven Dec 2018 #78
I googled "third way ads Iowa", got zero hits. George II Dec 2018 #81
Bernie answered his own 'what if' question/statement peggysue2 Dec 2018 #82
This! :) nt OhZone Dec 2018 #86
The Days Of His Bait & Switch Candidacies Me. Dec 2018 #132
I'll vote for almost ANY Democrat - OhZone Dec 2018 #84
Poor Bernie! People are being mean to him. MineralMan Dec 2018 #87
This. nt cwydro Dec 2018 #90
He's dooming himself. He needs a new campaign, not a rehash of 2016 kcr Dec 2018 #96
This is one of the reasons why people are sick of him EffieBlack Dec 2018 #100
This is the line that bugs me Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2018 #108
maybe he is referring to Clinton losing JI7 Dec 2018 #111
This message was self-deleted by its author LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #112
Yes, he was out there on cnn Nov 16, 2016 Cha Dec 2018 #121
I think Bernie means that Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #133
So how did he make them pay? Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Dec 2018 #136
I think Bernie means that eventually the Big Banks Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #139
No past tense...he is referring to something that happened in 16 ...it could be losing the election Demsrule86 Dec 2018 #220
Does anyone have a link to these ads he's talking about? yardwork Dec 2018 #110
Link to the Third Way ad Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #125
Thanks. Anyone know who this organization is? yardwork Dec 2018 #128
The group calls itself 'Third Way.' Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #131
Never heard of them. I think that Bernie is making much too much of this. yardwork Dec 2018 #143
It's not going to work this time. kstewart33 Dec 2018 #114
THEY WILL STOP AT NOTHING NOT EVEN THE KITCHEN SINK betsuni Dec 2018 #122
lol.. he doesn't know what Cha Dec 2018 #123
He won't know what hit him. betsuni Dec 2018 #130
Gaslit buzzwords. Cha Dec 2018 #137
I took the opportunity NastyRiffraff Dec 2018 #141
So you'd have to follow Third Way on Twitter to see the ad? betsuni Dec 2018 #145
There is no ad... brooklynite Dec 2018 #147
Thanks, didn't think so but thought it was me. betsuni Dec 2018 #149
No, advertising on Twitter means a tweet Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #168
You didn't add the tweet, you added Sirota's picture of a tweet. ucrdem Dec 2018 #174
A Twitter post does not constitute an "ad" brooklynite Dec 2018 #146
Third Way paid for the tweet to appear Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #170
Here is his admission he meant to divide the party and interfere with stuff Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #154
+1 /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #155
I think the "attacks on our progressive agenda" are the same as the "vilifying" ads. betsuni Dec 2018 #156
We cant saw we were not warned that it is happening, Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #157
I added a link to the ad to the bottom of my OP. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #171
I didn't see anything vilifying. betsuni Dec 2018 #175
Wow.. is that all the so-called "attack" Cha Dec 2018 #232
What does he mean in that email when he refers to the "financial elite", and what..... George II Dec 2018 #159
I think Bernie means that he spread a message Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #172
We get you think that. GulfCoast66 Dec 2018 #184
U huh Eliot Rosewater Dec 2018 #224
BS needs to look in the mirror before Cha Dec 2018 #186
The Price Currently Is The $3.00 Me. Dec 2018 #214
Sure sounds like he's... Mike Nelson Dec 2018 #160
Thank you keeping the pressure on, Bernie. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #177
Nonsense. Trump would easily defeat Sanders. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #179
That's what some people say. aikoaiko Dec 2018 #180
They all know that we can do better. NurseJackie Dec 2018 #181
I think we do have a very promising pool of candidates, but until they start speaking as national... aikoaiko Dec 2018 #182
I'm very excited to see the new people come out as candidates. Chemisse Dec 2018 #300
He's the Bob Dole of the Democratic Party - Except he's not a freakin' Democrat, of course. Maru Kitteh Dec 2018 #196
Sounds to me like Trump will win again if we marlakay Dec 2018 #193
lol stonecutter357 Dec 2018 #205
Bernie pamdb Dec 2018 #226
He knows there's still money to be made off donations nini Dec 2018 #231
There are attacks from BOTH sides TexasBushwhacker Dec 2018 #233
I don't want any politicians to tell their supporters Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #243
Calling Democrats "liberal elites and people who have money" "extremely weak" betsuni Dec 2018 #247
Donated. Thanks. Joe941 Dec 2018 #234
Thanks for donating. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #244
This makes me ill. honest.abe Dec 2018 #235
If Bernie runs it will be in the Democratic Primary, again. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #245
No way he runs again in Dem primary. honest.abe Dec 2018 #246
He'll agree to those conditions if he runs for president, again. NT Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #290
I doubt it. honest.abe Dec 2018 #294
I would be happy to have a Democratic House and Senate with a Democratic Socialist administration. Snotcicles Dec 2018 #250
I will strongly consider Sen. Sanders if chooses to run Devil Child Dec 2018 #260
Tax returns? SHRED Dec 2018 #276
Never Gonna Happen Me. Dec 2018 #292
I support Bernie. Perhaps, after the debates, I'll choose someone else, but as of now ... nt earthshine Dec 2018 #291
BS Attacking The Democratic Blue Wave Party that Cha Dec 2018 #297
Bernie Sanders did rallies across the US for Democrats Eric J in MN Dec 2018 #298
So? He's now Attacking the Democratic Cha Dec 2018 #307
Is this going to be the new norm now? DFW Dec 2018 #299
+1 /nt LongtimeAZDem Dec 2018 #304
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