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121. Gee, back in the day Coke was made with real cocaine. People gave paregoric to infants

Sun Aug 19, 2012, 03:24 AM

Aug 2012

with belly aches and I thought terpin hydrate was great for a cough. So many of the remedies I grew up with are now illegal or off the market.

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Giving a lecture on old-timey quack medicines tomorrow [View all] derby378 Aug 2012 OP

What was in the bottles? Morphine, cocaine, booze, opiates? nt MADem Aug 2012 #1

Opiates? I think the DEA would want a word with me derby378 Aug 2012 #2

Well, I know a lot of those old quacky meds had all kinds of stuff in 'em! MADem Aug 2012 #4

LOTS of alcohol! derby378 Aug 2012 #6

bitters good for what ails you lunasun Aug 2012 #9

They used STRYCHNINE for upset stomachs??? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #15

About a hundred years ago, they did derby378 Aug 2012 #22

Our dog ate some strychinine-based fly bait when I was a kid NickB79 Aug 2012 #120

A lot of corn liquor and turpentine, I suspect. nt hifiguy Aug 2012 #11

...~~~***BURP!***``~~~! nt MADem Aug 2012 #12

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #33

One word: Radithor Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #3

I'd love to grab a bottle - but then again, maybe not derby378 Aug 2012 #5

With tongs...while wearing a lead suit!!! nt MADem Aug 2012 #8

Radium is very bad shit. longship Aug 2012 #7

Radium is probably lead to Marie Curie dying from cancer. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #18

And many on the Manhattan Project. longship Aug 2012 #81

It's a lot harder Confusious Aug 2012 #28

Radium is natural, Plutonium isn't. longship Aug 2012 #75

Actually... derby378 Aug 2012 #156

Maybe true. longship Aug 2012 #164

And thanks for the clarification derby378 Aug 2012 #165

Tc, element 43 longship Aug 2012 #171

Eckkkkk! SoapBox Aug 2012 #10

WTF is "mesothorium"??? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #17

I'd guess Th233 as opposed to Th232 or Th234. TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #31

the old name for radium 228, which is a decay product of thorium 232. Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #34

Got any Holloway's Bitters? Habibi Aug 2012 #13

I've got Hostetter's, but not Holloway's derby378 Aug 2012 #14

The woo-woos here on DU would love for us to go back to those bad old days. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #16

plenty of medicines today that are basically ineffective. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #19

My not having panic attacks anymore is not any fucking placebo effect. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #21

ecological fallacy HiPointDem Aug 2012 #23

Okay, but that's you. JackRiddler Sep 2012 #180

Even that singular naysayer conceedes that antidepressants DO work Care Acutely Aug 2012 #24

where else would depression be but 'in their heads'? that doesn't mean that anti-depressants HiPointDem Aug 2012 #25

LOL, never heard of seretonin? Odin2005 Aug 2012 #27

please tell me how the test for low serotonin works. as you are such a scholar, i'm sure you know. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #35

So the last 40 years of neuroscience is a Big Pharma conspiracy to sell pills, gotcha. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #40

I said, tell me how the test for low serotonin works & when you got yours. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #41

You know what you sound like? A Creationist... Odin2005 Aug 2012 #47

it doesn't? oh really.... thought you were all about the science.... HiPointDem Aug 2012 #52

No, I'm rejecting your sophistry. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #57

i've read up on it for years -- including at university. which is how i know that patients HiPointDem Aug 2012 #64

The Serotonin Theory of Depression Is Collapsing HiPointDem Aug 2012 #70

But the anti depressants still work. Nt. Confusious Aug 2012 #77

depends on what you mean by 'work,' and for whom. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #79

Disengenous argument. Confusious Aug 2012 #86

not at all, but you're tiresome. it's well-known that anti-depressants don't work for a significant HiPointDem Aug 2012 #92

Well, you'd have a point Confusious Aug 2012 #95

you'd have a point -- if there were some way of determining who a 'good candidate' for treatment HiPointDem Aug 2012 #98

Well, most people complaining of depression Confusious Aug 2012 #99

<50% of that population get relief from anti-depressants. and as with any large powerful corporation HiPointDem Aug 2012 #100

Which is higher then I thought Confusious Aug 2012 #102

my argument wouldn't be any of those things. this discussion began when i stated that there HiPointDem Aug 2012 #105

So you're just here to spread FUD Confusious Aug 2012 #108

I wonder why you felt you had to post all those links, as i've not denied that chinese medicine HiPointDem Aug 2012 #124

Chinese medicine is the greater part of it Confusious Aug 2012 #127

I quoted the world wildlife fund on habitat loss being the most important cause of extinction HiPointDem Aug 2012 #134

At least it's not death Confusious Aug 2012 #141

if SSRI's don't work for you, perhaps you should get some benzo's.. i think you could use some... dionysus Aug 2012 #159

They work for me. With my twice-a-day dose of Cymbalta hifiguy Aug 2012 #148

don't try convincing this guy... you're wasting your breath. dionysus Aug 2012 #160

Seriously? Confusious Aug 2012 #30

not sure what relevance your comments have to mine. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #37

Let me make it easy for you Confusious Aug 2012 #46

He/She is using the same arguments the Creationists use when denying evolution. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #49

Yea I know Confusious Aug 2012 #53

You seem to blame everything you don't sense Aug 2012 #115

several hidden assumptions in there...i'll leave you to figure them out as you fancy you are so HiPointDem Aug 2012 #54

I guess you didn't Confusious Aug 2012 #63

If you think depression's a monolithic nonbiological thing you really need to stop talking Posteritatis Aug 2012 #111

You appeal to this man's authority and then immediately discredit him. Care Acutely Aug 2012 #147

Depressive illness is a physical illness, not a bloody "all in your head" BS! idwiyo Aug 2012 #177

I second what odin said Confusious Aug 2012 #29

how do you know what degrees posters have? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #36

Well you don't Confusious Aug 2012 #43

oh really? your esp is poor HiPointDem Aug 2012 #56

Deductive reasoning. Confusious Aug 2012 #62

why don't you then? your brand of 'deductive reasoning' goes like this: HiPointDem Aug 2012 #65

You forgot C Confusious Aug 2012 #66

"sounds like someone" is an opinion, not a fact. not an objective premise, sorry. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #69

Well you haven't disputed my claim Confusious Aug 2012 #72

except it's not just one study (the one cited was a meta-study, btw). HiPointDem Aug 2012 #74

See that's another thing Confusious Aug 2012 #76

your assumptions are showing again -- and you're back to the name-calling. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #80

Did I hurt your feelings? Confusious Aug 2012 #83

more name-calling, while i'm citing evidence. readers can judge for themselves who's more HiPointDem Aug 2012 #88

Like I said Confusious Aug 2012 #89

i haven't noticed you making any arguments at all. or linking any evidence. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #93

because you're asking me Confusious Aug 2012 #97

i don't recall asking you for anything at all. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #109

Ok, so you're trying to prove your case Confusious Aug 2012 #113

I have, and it's certainly not you independentpiney Aug 2012 #142

Why don't you reply to the evidence sense Aug 2012 #122

I have argument plenty Confusious Aug 2012 #128

So true. sense Aug 2012 #110

woo peddling. dionysus Aug 2012 #167

Way to add sense Aug 2012 #169

politicians didn't create the food pyramid, dietitians/professor types did. but the ones who HiPointDem Aug 2012 #174

I imagine I wasn't sense Aug 2012 #178

i understand what you're saying about the pyramid, i'm just saying you've got some of the HiPointDem Aug 2012 #179

Indeed, I think it would be fairly easy to put together a presentation showcasing Care Acutely Aug 2012 #20

yeah because the fact that now 80% of kids with cancer get cured by treatments mucifer Aug 2012 #61

Interestingly agent46 Aug 2012 #143

From your post, it seems you think any "antique medicine" is worthless. flvegan Aug 2012 #26

Personally, I would say most Confusious Aug 2012 #32

Willow bark, foxglove, quinine, opium, all still useful Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #38

But now we can make all those synthetically without hurting any plants. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #44

Some, not all Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #48

Making medicines synthetically sense Aug 2012 #123

LOL! Here comes the "Natural good, artificial bad!" nonsense. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #145

That's all you've ever done sense Aug 2012 #149

So you admit your scientific ignorance. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #150

Anything to support sense Aug 2012 #154

I'm not obsfuscating, you are. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #155

A molecule is a molecule? sense Aug 2012 #166

. dionysus Aug 2012 #168

That's who you are... sense Aug 2012 #170

opium. & if you think chinese medicine was/is worthless you don't know anything about it. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #39

Yep, figured you for a woo. Confusious Aug 2012 #42

as i said, you have no idea what credentials people have. but namecalling in place of an argument HiPointDem Aug 2012 #50

I never said "don't question" Confusious Aug 2012 #59

you said chinese medicine (en toto) was "worthless". i'm not 'pushing' chinese medicine, i'm HiPointDem Aug 2012 #67

It's been around thousands of years Confusious Aug 2012 #68

"From what I've seen, and read, and watched" HiPointDem Aug 2012 #71

You got that one thing? Confusious Aug 2012 #73

nih HiPointDem Aug 2012 #78

Rhino horn? Confusious Aug 2012 #84

you asked for one example & i gave you one. now you want to talk about tiger penises. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #90

You always use "western" Confusious Aug 2012 #94

Straw man. sense Aug 2012 #125

So you disagree with the world wildlife fund? Confusious Aug 2012 #129

Try replying to the correct post. sense Aug 2012 #136

Yea, well if the shoe fits Confusious Aug 2012 #139

Same reply to every post.... sense Aug 2012 #144

Oh god! look at the side effects!~ Confusious Aug 2012 #85

"The rate of adverse effects was similar in both the thunder god vine and sulfasalazine groups." HiPointDem Aug 2012 #96

Certainly I know that Confusious Aug 2012 #101

i'm not a woo person. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #107

Seems like it. nt Confusious Aug 2012 #114

Chinese Medicine is good for driving species into extinction from poaching. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #45

no, that's capitalism. chinese medicine isn't all about endangered species, fyi. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #51

LOL, what crap. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #58

that name-calling is highly effective in convincing the converted. go team! HiPointDem Aug 2012 #60

We killed more chinese? Confusious Aug 2012 #87

i see why you're having a problem; you can't read properly. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #103

No I can read Confusious Aug 2012 #104

ah, my error then. no, i'll leave it stand, as it's true re modern times. also vietnamese & HiPointDem Aug 2012 #106

Really? Confusious Aug 2012 #118

see the dip circa 1851? 20-30 million = opium wars/taiping rebellion. biggest population loss of HiPointDem Aug 2012 #130

50,000 deaths due the opium wars Confusious Aug 2012 #132

yes, i'm blaming the western powers, for multiple reasons. the opium wars and the taiping HiPointDem Aug 2012 #135

Guilt by association then, is it. Confusious Aug 2012 #140

I see the "West evil, West evil" BS has started. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #146

Ignorance is bliss, some say. flvegan Aug 2012 #55

Most antique medicine *was* worthless. (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #112

Homeopathic Medicines? Ya Basta Aug 2012 #82

The cayenne cure reminded me of these guys Confusious Aug 2012 #91

... Ya Basta Aug 2012 #119

The good (not so good) Dr had his license revoked Confusious Aug 2012 #126

Your comment only demonstrates your ignorance Ya Basta Aug 2012 #131

No, I place science first Confusious Aug 2012 #133

No you don't Ya Basta Aug 2012 #137

Bullshit Confusious Aug 2012 #138

LOL.. Ha ha! Ya Basta Aug 2012 #153

Homeopathic medicine is an oxymoron... SidDithers Aug 2012 #163

naturalnews and lef... SidDithers Aug 2012 #162

Could you have them analyzed? Taverner Aug 2012 #116

I probably could, but it might be expensive derby378 Aug 2012 #158

I've always enjoyed watching the patent med vendors switch their target audiences Posteritatis Aug 2012 #117

Gee, back in the day Coke was made with real cocaine. People gave paregoric to infants appleannie1 Aug 2012 #121

Don't forget Trickle Down, the ultimate snake oil. Scuba Aug 2012 #151

Always wondered about this one: madamesilverspurs Aug 2012 #152

Awesome... SidDithers Aug 2012 #157

Sadly there is plenty of anti-science thinking among otherwise rational people on the left. NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #161

Snake oil salesmen are as popular as ever Major Nikon Aug 2012 #172

They rail on about "big pharma" making obscene profits, NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #173

Although the pharmaceutical industry claims to be a high-risk business, HiPointDem Aug 2012 #175

And? NYC Liberal Aug 2012 #176

Do you have the bottle of Heroin by Bayer (for toothing infants) Taverner Oct 2012 #181

Ooooohh!!! derby378 Oct 2012 #182