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Caliman73

(11,726 posts)
75. There is no benefit in changing anything about the Democratic party to appeal to that group.
Fri Dec 7, 2018, 01:31 PM
Dec 2018

There is a place for religious people in the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party has no particular problem with the free expression of religious faith insomuch as the rights of non religious people and other faith traditions are respected. Democrats have never been against religion.

The problem with "Evangelicals" (I use quotes because the modern strain being called Evangelicals is more Christian Dominionist) is that they seek only to have their particular beliefs made dominant over anything else and that cannot happen within the framework of the Democratic Party. We are the party of inclusion and thus groups whose focus is on conversion or exclusion and domination cannot exist within out political framework.

Any person, even if deeply religious can come over to the Democratic Party freely, but when they start trying to change the way Democrats operate towards a less open and accepting standpoint, there are going to be problems.

No. Just no. 50 Shades Of Blue Dec 2018 #1
I'll add Hell No. and this article.... Roland99 Dec 2018 #48
I hope, and pray to the God I doubt, that the Dem's avoid the Evangelicals like a plague packman Dec 2018 #2
Jimmy Carter was the first candidate massively JCMach1 Dec 2018 #3
I remember that NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #8
At that time Carter was mocked mercilessly by the Republicans Zorro Dec 2018 #28
The difference with Carter, and Democrats in general is... Caliman73 Dec 2018 #71
I understand that Carter was different NewJeffCT Dec 2018 #72
Think about this, Brawndo Dec 2018 #4
to shepherd them away from the creep of Nationalist Anti-Americanism. hexola Dec 2018 #9
Shepherd them like the sheep they are? Brawndo Dec 2018 #17
Bingo! nt Atticus Dec 2018 #111
Mennonites aren't Evangelicals. Spider Jerusalem Dec 2018 #5
Thanks for that - my perception is hexola Dec 2018 #10
Do they vote at all? Freddie Dec 2018 #34
Nationalism is polluting faith hexola Dec 2018 #41
Nope Spider Jerusalem Dec 2018 #38
"Evangelical" means Freddie Dec 2018 #42
It refers to a specific movement within (mostly American) Christianity... Spider Jerusalem Dec 2018 #44
Never. We are very liberal, we are not judgmental, and secondwind Dec 2018 #6
This! Yes, my feelings as well. brush Dec 2018 #58
no. don't want to think about it. n/t Brainstormy Dec 2018 #7
Ain't. Gonna. Happen. DinahMoeHum Dec 2018 #11
God, I fucking hope not! Aristus Dec 2018 #12
Only if they adapt to our principles... Wounded Bear Dec 2018 #13
NO!!! atreides1 Dec 2018 #14
No, Thank You Very Much! MineralMan Dec 2018 #15
No, no and no. hatrack Dec 2018 #16
No. They are old testament and ignore the teachings of Jesus. pwb Dec 2018 #18
Sorry, no. lark Dec 2018 #19
I hope not. spanone Dec 2018 #20
Beto O'Rourke May Benefit From an Unlikely Support Group: White Evangelical Women hexola Dec 2018 #21
He probably became less dreamy to them when he was said "So FUCKING proud". violetpastille Dec 2018 #78
I don't know. They would still fawn over dump if he said it. MrsCoffee Dec 2018 #101
Just no crazycatlady Dec 2018 #22
Send them to this site for a good example of evangelicals who are.... LAS14 Dec 2018 #23
This is the kind of appeal needed to drive a wedge between the Evangelicals and the Nationalists. hexola Dec 2018 #26
I get tired of the tendency of Evangelicals to be right wingers. Mariana Dec 2018 #99
Any party that appeals the evangelicals is not a party I will be a part of. CrispyQ Dec 2018 #24
THIS lilactime Dec 2018 #39
They currently vote based on hating LGBT people and abortion YessirAtsaFact Dec 2018 #25
Let's not try to appeal to the non science, fairy tale cult crowd NightWatcher Dec 2018 #27
Evangelical DUers, please don't open these posts. Hortensis Dec 2018 #29
I couldn't agree more. We like to think of ourselves... LAS14 Dec 2018 #32
Thats why I mentioned the Mennos who seem to have a progressive liberal outlook hexola Dec 2018 #37
Thank you Freddie Dec 2018 #40
Mennonites? I'm not sure you understand who the Evangelicals are. FSogol Dec 2018 #30
Evangelical Anabaptism hexola Dec 2018 #33
Yeah, there are also people who think that since the Nazis called themselves National Socialists, FSogol Dec 2018 #64
Absolutely Not. SDJay Dec 2018 #31
I don't need to think about it. N-O. lilactime Dec 2018 #35
Fuck them and their fake "values" Horse with no Name Dec 2018 #36
If it should happen I'm gone. Fuck evangelicals. Autumn Dec 2018 #43
No. ConnorMarc Dec 2018 #45
I can't imagine that people who think the Trump isa messiah like figure would want to jointhe party. CentralMass Dec 2018 #46
It's not just abortion but control over women cally Dec 2018 #47
Omg, no. They'd try to take control. They're like a disease in the Republican party and octoberlib Dec 2018 #49
I like to think that's the disease of Nationalism hexola Dec 2018 #50
They don't believe in the separation between church and state. This is unacceptable. octoberlib Dec 2018 #74
They've Already Ruined The Con Party Me. Dec 2018 #51
Good gawd, I hope not. Iggo Dec 2018 #52
Absolutely not. MineralMan Dec 2018 #53
ha - great minds JenniferJuniper Dec 2018 #55
Mineral Man, I've often thought that you... LAS14 Dec 2018 #87
Absolutely not JenniferJuniper Dec 2018 #54
Please God NO. dchill Dec 2018 #56
Hell No dalton99a Dec 2018 #57
Evangelicals are hateful and authoritarian Johnny2X2X Dec 2018 #59
Please distinguish between Evangelicals and Fundamentalists bigbrother05 Dec 2018 #60
Baptists, too. Just had a discussion on Twitter about ex-Baptist pastor Mark Harris octoberlib Dec 2018 #88
Evangelicals ARE the Nationalists! Thunderbeast Dec 2018 #61
Geez, not this shit again! Downtown Hound Dec 2018 #62
No. Bettie Dec 2018 #63
NO!!! nt jrthin Dec 2018 #65
HELL TO THE NO! Are_grits_groceries Dec 2018 #66
Only if the adjust their ideology to fit that of the Democratic Party n/t Blaukraut Dec 2018 #67
Heck, only if they adjust their ideology to fit Jesus' teachings dalton99a Dec 2018 #68
Hell to the effin' no! n/t Different Drummer Dec 2018 #69
I hope not! I think of the D Party as the reality based party stopbush Dec 2018 #70
Eternal damnation in Hell might be a better place for them: Mr. Quackers Dec 2018 #73
+1 dalton99a Dec 2018 #107
There is no benefit in changing anything about the Democratic party to appeal to that group. Caliman73 Dec 2018 #75
I am not sure that the Mennonite or Amish vote. 33taw Dec 2018 #76
According the Wikipedia, Amish vote LeftInTX Dec 2018 #96
I just don't see how that can happen The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #77
This may be instructive for some.... spicysista Dec 2018 #79
"Evangelicals" on this forum pretty much refers to white evangelicals dalton99a Dec 2018 #81
I get it and I know that you do, too. spicysista Dec 2018 #85
Most of the Christian voters in 2016 cast ballots for Trump. Mariana Dec 2018 #106
"Christian" is a huge group. spicysista Dec 2018 #108
I don't disagree, but what are we going to do with that data? Mariana Dec 2018 #110
Stand on our platform. It's kinda awesome. spicysista Dec 2018 #112
The evangelicals/born again Christians (are they the same?) who might be swayed to vote KPN Dec 2018 #80
Not going to happen. Consider them enemies, to be defeated. (nt) Paladin Dec 2018 #82
Evangelicals are the in the same line as the Confederate Slaveholders and the Fascist Axis. Dawson Leery Dec 2018 #83
No. Abortion is the obvious hitch, but how do "new court picks" placate them? muriel_volestrangler Dec 2018 #84
I'm a lifelong Democrat eissa Dec 2018 #86
Me too, and I'm about as religious as our cat. Hortensis Dec 2018 #114
No. And it's not just abortion that's the hitch. They give the impression they're followers Vinca Dec 2018 #89
The full range of women's necessary medical care is NOT up for discussion/negotiation. Okay? Hekate Dec 2018 #90
No, fuck them. meadowlander Dec 2018 #91
Let's leave the entire religious thing out of it. MineralMan Dec 2018 #92
Amen to This! Lol! spicysista Dec 2018 #103
Yes. The Velveteen Ocelot Dec 2018 #105
That would be the straw that breaks this camels back Runningdawg Dec 2018 #93
they used to be ours. good riddance rampartc Dec 2018 #94
Most of the Mennonites I know are "hippie", "earth-mother" types LeftInTX Dec 2018 #95
I don't want to think about it, no need for the Democratic Party to embrace the American Taliban n/t Devil Child Dec 2018 #97
The Democratic Party should be secular...nt SidDithers Dec 2018 #98
I choose to be judged by the company I keep randr Dec 2018 #100
I have thought about it and nope.... bluecollar2 Dec 2018 #102
Never happen! And it's because of GWC58 Dec 2018 #104
after abortion, LGBTQ rights are the next "hitch" 0rganism Dec 2018 #109
Hell, No. sarcasmo Dec 2018 #113
People are leaving the Christian faith in record numbers and they are dying off Quixote1818 Dec 2018 #115
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