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haele

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51. Same age range; Male teacher, female students. All of "age of consent"
Fri Aug 17, 2012, 05:14 PM
Aug 2012

A Male teacher will most likely be charged with rape - even with the girls at the age of consent, because he's a teacher and it is viewed to be more coercive in this situation than it is if it's a female teacher and male students. Is that fair? No. But there is the element of a authority over the student, especially students of the age where their hormones, cognition and maturity are still developing.
Same as it would be if it were a therapist and a client.

The other issue at the heart of this is how much emotional damage had she done to their future, or do we just consider those young men as immature horn-dogs that a little extra-curricular sex-ed won't hurt a bit - especially when later as adults they are out in public and think that the authoritative boundaries between teacher/student or adviser/client don't mean a damn thing because they feel like having sex? Isn't this why we have laws against predatory sexual behavior with the young or the potentially developmentally challenged?

It's a fine line, and yes, it might be that she's going to jail because the state wants to make sure that at least through High School, they aren't liable to the parents for teachers who can't control their own libido, no matter what age the student is. But if they didn't charge her, the firestorm would be worse. No matter what she or the boys may claim, there can always be made a case that she influenced their participation because of the power she held over them or because of the potential for affecting their future that she could provide. That's what she's being charged with, and that's why the state feels that what she has been involved with is rape.

Personally, I can't say if it is or it isn't; or if the coercion could have made this rape be proven to be involved with only one, all, or none of the students.
But it can be proved that she was a predator who abused her position of authority in a mutual organization to have sex with these High School students. If she had been a manager at the Taco Bell these kids hung out at, no one would have done more than t'ched at the situation and called her a slut. Whether or not real justice is involved in the court's decision, that is why she is going to jail instead of just losing her job as she would have had she done this while teaching at the local Community College.

Haele

Are they both republicans? Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #1
Agree! LeftofObama Aug 2012 #3
Over 18 doesn't necessarily mean consenting LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #2
If there were threats there would have been charges reflecting that cali Aug 2012 #6
If that's all it was, then no, there should have been no charges LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #15
She was in a position of authority over them. gollygee Aug 2012 #4
It sounds like she was in several positions with them. AngryAmish Aug 2012 #7
BWAAAAHAHA!!! DAMMIT! tblue Aug 2012 #127
If they were coerced that would be reflected in the charges. cali Aug 2012 #8
Hmm one would hope gollygee Aug 2012 #11
Yes. LWolf Aug 2012 #147
Coercion could factor in as well--when there are power inequities hlthe2b Aug 2012 #5
There is a caveat about a person of higher power, like a teacher, having sex Cleita Aug 2012 #9
There are still business HockeyMom Aug 2012 #35
If she was in a position of authority over them, yes. Avalux Aug 2012 #10
ugh. fire her. but prosecute her for consensual sex. No. cali Aug 2012 #14
What about sex between two consenting adults in the middle of Times Square? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #12
or on my lawn Electric Monk Aug 2012 #28
In the middle of Times Square LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #70
That's what I'm thinking. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #74
Creepy maybe, illegal not sure... Veritas Omnia Vincit Aug 2012 #13
Fired? Yes. Prison. No. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #16
If they were still going to school, she was in a position of authority over them. haele Aug 2012 #17
Of course she should be fired. That's a no brainer cali Aug 2012 #18
Same age range; Male teacher, female students. All of "age of consent" haele Aug 2012 #51
Prison inmates and guards? jberryhill Aug 2012 #19
OK, good point. Prison inmates and guards IS one category that I cali Aug 2012 #20
But why? jberryhill Aug 2012 #22
easy peasy. because the prisoner inherently can't consent cali Aug 2012 #25
Why can't the inmate consent? jberryhill Aug 2012 #32
required to be there? how quaint. cali Aug 2012 #34
Tell me how to get a high school diploma... jberryhill Aug 2012 #100
Lol, your whole argument is silly! You know students HAVE to be in school??? Logical Aug 2012 #112
nope. most states allow those who reach 16 to drop out. cali Aug 2012 #129
Lol, so your argument it you have to have sex with your teacher... Logical Aug 2012 #140
I disagree. An inmate can consent to sex with a jailer. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #55
Why do you say a minor cannot sign a contract? jberryhill Aug 2012 #105
Sure a prisoner could consent MattBaggins Aug 2012 #78
I imagine we all have an arbitrary line somewhere... LanternWaste Aug 2012 #26
yup its all down to our own interpretation loli phabay Aug 2012 #83
However jberryhill Aug 2012 #108
yup i get it, i was more picking on the point the op made about as long as there is no physical harm loli phabay Aug 2012 #119
I was a correctional officer Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #114
No, that is the proper course of action jberryhill Aug 2012 #120
Excellent. Logical and concice. joshcryer Aug 2012 #97
What's wrong with a doctor and a patient? Ter Aug 2012 #98
A psychiatrist? jberryhill Aug 2012 #106
Prison inmates lose many of their legal rights by virtue of the fact that they're in prison Hippo_Tron Aug 2012 #102
Do the guards lose theirs? jberryhill Aug 2012 #117
they certainly lose their freedoms but prisoner's rights should be established and written down. Swagman Aug 2012 #135
In Nevada, that's rape Nevernose Aug 2012 #21
holy shit. that's awful cali Aug 2012 #23
It is 16 in Pennsylvania too jberryhill Aug 2012 #24
huh? The age of consent is 16 in Vermont too cali Aug 2012 #33
Your parenting choices may be different MattBaggins Aug 2012 #80
I'm with ya blueamy66 Aug 2012 #115
It's called "transference" jberryhill Aug 2012 #121
Um, I'm pretty sure that my best friend had a crush on him as well. blueamy66 Aug 2012 #128
Wait, wait - they have a separate age of consent for gay sex? (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #45
Yep. n/t LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #75
How is that even the slightest bit constitutional? (nt) Posteritatis Aug 2012 #76
Same reason they can't marry in the wedding chapels LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #91
Yep Nevernose Aug 2012 #109
Suppose the student is 30? Ter Aug 2012 #99
The law is applicable to high school age Nevernose Aug 2012 #110
None of the laws are drafted that way jberryhill Aug 2012 #122
i thought this thread was going to be about julian Assange.... robinlynne Aug 2012 #27
No. But... Alduin Aug 2012 #29
Current or former teacher? Peepsite Aug 2012 #30
Duh - she's a "former teacher" because they FIRED her for it jberryhill Aug 2012 #116
It should be illegal to have sex with a republican. /nt still_one Aug 2012 #31
It should be illegal for a Republican to have sex meow2u3 Aug 2012 #58
You are right still_one Aug 2012 #68
It's illegal in Texas for teachers and students Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #36
1 student? Maybe; but 5 sounds a bit -- predatory Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #37
So what? Yes, it's sleazy but why does the number matter? cali Aug 2012 #44
She apparently sees students as targets. Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #49
It is not sleazy... It is predatory MattBaggins Aug 2012 #81
"consent" is a bit murky when there's a power relationship. unblock Aug 2012 #38
I don't find this case murky at all cali Aug 2012 #41
you simply cannot go on that alone because the denial could be effectively coerced as well. unblock Aug 2012 #48
Consent is what an adult says it is. Period. cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #61
the age of consent to sex varies from state to state cali Aug 2012 #62
Out of necessity, adulthood and consent must be a legal bright line cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #64
but adults change what they're willing to say all the time. unblock Aug 2012 #65
Is 18 AND finished with school MattBaggins Aug 2012 #82
Who does she think she is Politicalboi Aug 2012 #39
No. n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #40
No. hifiguy Aug 2012 #42
That law is unconstitutional cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #43
Can you explain why it's unconstitutional? cali Aug 2012 #47
The whole nexus of decisions cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #53
Thanks for the explanation. cali Aug 2012 #57
This is the law in many if not most states. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #67
And thankfully I can maintain it is unconstitutional cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #69
This would never get to the Supreme Court and if it did MattBaggins Aug 2012 #85
That's gibberish cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #93
You're welcome to think what you want. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #89
Absolutely awesome post. +1 nt Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #125
And it would be a substantial one... jberryhill Aug 2012 #139
That is a ridiculous analysis jberryhill Aug 2012 #138
It's unconstitutional? Then we'd better fucking pack the SCOTUS until it IS constitutional! Wednesdays Aug 2012 #107
Text of the facially unconstituional law cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #46
What makes it unconstitutional? Honest question. n/t Nuclear Unicorn Aug 2012 #50
Her teaching credentials should be revoked but prison? No. appleannie1 Aug 2012 #52
Yes, when you ask it that way quaker bill Aug 2012 #54
Something not many in this thread seem to realize cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #56
No they do not MattBaggins Aug 2012 #86
WTF? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #94
Maybe. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #90
If it was college, I wouldn't sayit was criminal unless there was coercion. Ilsa Aug 2012 #59
that's just crazy. Who cares if it was high school? cali Aug 2012 #60
Hold onto your hat, Cali... cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #63
Yes it would still be illegal MattBaggins Aug 2012 #87
By that definition no police officer would ever be allowed to date LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #73
Yes. lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #66
Generally, two consenting adults having sex Proles Aug 2012 #71
I think in some cases it should be heavily discouraged SilveryMoon Aug 2012 #72
Not if one is mentally incompetent. nt jody Aug 2012 #77
Its really easy not to screw your students. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #79
ugh. I'm so sick of this puritanical bullshit coming from the left. cali Aug 2012 #130
I am no more puritanical than you are supportive of abusive relationships aikoaiko Aug 2012 #137
I'm afraid you are. As are all of those who think there's a need to protect 18 year olds cali Aug 2012 #143
Are you not concerned about teachers grooming minors while under 18 for sexual relationships aikoaiko Aug 2012 #145
No PD Turk Aug 2012 #84
Honestly I don't know. Too much gray area. Also Butterbean Aug 2012 #88
I believe incest should be illegal. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #92
Could she legally MARRY one of those students? cthulu2016 Aug 2012 #95
Not enough for jail but definitely enough to be fired. n/t taught_me_patience Aug 2012 #96
This would make an interesting poll! RKP5637 Aug 2012 #101
In a normal situation this would be clear to me...not guilty... Swede Atlanta Aug 2012 #103
Was there a quid pro quo? cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #104
Her children are going to be hearing about this from their classmates for a long time. Kaleva Aug 2012 #111
NO!!!!!! blueamy66 Aug 2012 #113
Who has a position of authority over an eighteen year old. Come on think back people Monk06 Aug 2012 #118
This message was self-deleted by its author limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #123
nevermind limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #124
The fact that they are 18 doesn't necessarily mean it is consenting davidpdx Aug 2012 #126
I expected a handful of neo-puritans to self-righteously cali Aug 2012 #131
Yes Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #132
Why nothing like that ever happen to me B Calm Aug 2012 #133
I don't think so but when someone is in authority there must be boundaries Swagman Aug 2012 #134
I don't mind the destruction of career. Someone who's fucking students should cali Aug 2012 #136
there's some people here, you'd almost think they thought ALL sex was rape datasuspect Aug 2012 #141
Well it is clearly unethical MadrasT Aug 2012 #142
There are several situations that come to mind (quickly) etherealtruth Aug 2012 #144
Just one more way Texas goes about perverting any common-sense notion coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #146
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