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struggle4progress

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101. All claims reduce to Rove advising a candidate for the September 2010 election,
Thu Aug 16, 2012, 07:07 PM
Aug 2012

on the basis of which elaborate conspiracies theories are cultivated

I don't know myself whether Rove did or did not advise for the September 2010 election, but let's stipulate arguendo that he did that

It proves nothing. You see? It's not evidence of anything related to the warrant for Assange

du rec. nt xchrom Aug 2012 #1
... The co-ordinator of the WikiLeaks group in Stockholm, who is a close colleague of Assange struggle4progress Aug 2012 #2
You seem to be fixated on Assange for some reason. LAGC Aug 2012 #3
What 'whistle' did he blow? randome Aug 2012 #6
Those diplomatic cables were a very small part of the Wikileaks collection. LAGC Aug 2012 #12
And the 'collateral murder' video resulted in what? Who was damaged by it? randome Aug 2012 #48
Rove's involved 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #201
Lol, there you go again. He blew the whistle on the Iceland Bank leading to the arrest sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #97
There have been many, many revelations, and the diplomatic cables were only one of many releases. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #171
I am grown too weary of the endless dishonest shit Assange supporters spew, because struggle4progress Aug 2012 #15
The Swedes have already proven themselves an unfair partner in the allegations and charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #20
SAYS FUCKING YOU. you don't decide how the fucking rest of us get to see this. xchrom Aug 2012 #30
Assange didn't make any money - that's all been taken away from him. truedelphi Aug 2012 #33
So long as KKKarl Rove has ANY part in this, that's enough for me. BlueMTexpat Aug 2012 #49
There's not the slightest evidence Rove has anything to do with this matter struggle4progress Aug 2012 #53
These are the words of a man who has nothing to do with the matter? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #100
All claims reduce to Rove advising a candidate for the September 2010 election, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #101
Ahh.. those shifting goal posts. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #108
The Naomi Wolf article points to a Rove-role in the case against Assange. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #69
Hallucinating events, then asking if the hallucinations can be disproved, is not a reliable method struggle4progress Aug 2012 #94
Um, that is not the only Rove connection in Sweden btw. Wikileaks was promising to reveal sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #111
I am astounded at this really zeemike Aug 2012 #72
Why should we suspect these unpleasant things about dear! precious! Julian? Hmmm struggle4progress Aug 2012 #98
Do you know any of these things to be true yourself? zeemike Aug 2012 #139
When in doubt, see what conclusions are supported by multiple independent lines of evidence struggle4progress Aug 2012 #196
You mean like the conclusions of WMDs in Iraq? zeemike Aug 2012 #206
As noted elsewhere, the Ecuadorians offered to hifiguy Aug 2012 #75
The Swedish authorities prevailed in the UK courts on the warrant. Ecuador was no party to that suit struggle4progress Aug 2012 #87
And the UK courts were wrong. It happens, it certainly has happened in British courts sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #129
Here's the problem with your theory jeff47 Aug 2012 #125
There's a secret grand jury empaneled already on Assange riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #151
You don't have to cut-n-paste the same reply to all of my posts jeff47 Aug 2012 #160
Would be nice if you actually READ any of the replies then so nobody had to spam a thread riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #165
The grand jury is irrelevant. jeff47 Aug 2012 #177
It doesn't matter what law I think Assange has broken. I know he hasn't broken any riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #187
Are you not understanding this on purpose? The Doctor. Aug 2012 #220
No, I think you are. jeff47 Aug 2012 #227
One must be ignorant of the Human Rights Act of 1998 The Doctor. Aug 2012 #228
So now you're arguing that Sweden isn't a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights? jeff47 Aug 2012 #229
There is a growing movement against extradition to the US cprise Oct 2012 #230
That assumes that this country retains any respect whatsoever hifiguy Aug 2012 #158
No, Manning is on trial. jeff47 Aug 2012 #162
LOL!! If you really believe the US wouldn't break laws, even rendition a person, even now riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #168
You can't extradite someone "because I said so". jeff47 Aug 2012 #172
The US and the CIA have been doing that for DECADES!! riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #188
The CIA and military intelligence can do any fucking thing they want. hifiguy Aug 2012 #174
Then they'd do what they want from the UK jeff47 Aug 2012 #185
Sweden's a partner in their CIA renditions. Already a precedent there. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #189
If you don't want to see other people's views on the matter... Marrah_G Aug 2012 #89
I entered to this thread at post #2 with a quote from the Wikileaks Stockholm coordinator, struggle4progress Aug 2012 #104
Sorry so much fighting here today Marrah_G Aug 2012 #115
Way to impugn the motives of thousands of DUers. backscatter712 Aug 2012 #90
... and the horse you rode in on. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #102
Quelle horreur! How dare I have no opinion on the Swedish allegations! struggle4progress Aug 2012 #112
No, you can have any opinion you want. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #121
You post a great deal of unsupported opinion while the 'dishonest' Assange supporters The Doctor. Aug 2012 #219
The sexual allegations are best tried in Sweden, not by conspiracy theorists around the world: struggle4progress Aug 2012 #221
The opinions of the ignorant The Doctor. Aug 2012 #223
How's he going to get to Ecuador, in a diplomatic pouch? Just saying, nt. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #150
I think you missed the "Guardian's Posts" about the two women. KoKo Aug 2012 #96
If this is the only charges (rape) why should they give him movonne Aug 2012 #4
There are no rape charges. There are no charges whatsoever. tsuki Aug 2012 #54
Oh no, I've been assured that the Brits ALWAYS zealously honor extradition requests riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #66
Karl Rove?? panader0 Aug 2012 #5
Figures his slime trail would be discovered in the Assange persecution. n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #92
Naomi Wolf has far more credibility with me hifiguy Aug 2012 #7
+ 1. n/t truedelphi Aug 2012 #29
Plus 1 ozsea1 Aug 2012 #35
You are tarnishing the reputation of the KKK by associating it with Karl. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #52
He ran away from the investigation and then lied about it being over CabCurious Aug 2012 #8
He did not "run away from the investigation." Hissyspit Aug 2012 #16
It's incoherent nonsense. And hes, he ran away before the investigation was finished. CabCurious Aug 2012 #22
um the interview was finished -- they reopened. xchrom Aug 2012 #31
+1 uponit7771 Aug 2012 #55
He was told he was going to be interviewed and possibly arrested - he skipped town that night hack89 Aug 2012 #138
There are no charges. He's offered to go to Sweden anyway and answer questions in Sweden riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #146
Once again - there can be no charges until after the interview hack89 Aug 2012 #156
An interview to which he's agreed. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #161
The interview is not voluntary. hack89 Aug 2012 #179
Because the US pressured them. No interpol warrant has EVER been issued for questioning solely riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #191
There are presently 160 Interpol Red Notices for "sex crimes" hack89 Aug 2012 #199
He's wanted for questioning. Period. He's not a criminal, he's not been charged nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #203
He cannot legally be charged until after the interview. You know this. hack89 Aug 2012 #204
Why not? I've done it myself, demanded a jury trial and they backed down alot. xtraxritical Aug 2012 #163
But you have to have a plan B when they call your bluff. hack89 Aug 2012 #182
Sweden's our ally in covert CIA rendition. They've got blood on their hands riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #37
Yes... because the USA is closer to Sweden than the UK (so laughable) CabCurious Aug 2012 #43
Its not a contest, nor is it "either or". Sweden, like the US and the UK, is culpable of war crimes riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #57
Welcome to DU unc70 Aug 2012 #83
Yeah, there's a minor problem with that theory jeff47 Aug 2012 #127
Don't forget Sweden assisted the US in CIA rendition flights riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #141
Ecuador can say whatever they like, but he still has to have broken US law. jeff47 Aug 2012 #145
Ecuador isn't participating in an international incident like this because there's no evidence riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #149
I'm not asking what Ecuador's crappy lawyers think. jeff47 Aug 2012 #153
Renditions ended? Hissyspit Aug 2012 #159
So you didn't read the second sentence in your own back-up material? jeff47 Aug 2012 #164
Yes, I did. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #176
My point is it's a lovely conspiracy theory jeff47 Aug 2012 #180
No. The US has proven they DON'T have to have anything real to charge him with riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #192
Um, there is apparently a grand jury indictment against him. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #147
And that would be an indictment under what law? jeff47 Aug 2012 #152
I too can't wait to see exactly what law the US is going to pull out its ass for this riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #157
He will be designated an "enemy combatant" or some other such happy horseshit hifiguy Aug 2012 #166
If that was true, we'd do that while he was in the UK. jeff47 Aug 2012 #169
Then Assange has nothing to fear from charges. jeff47 Aug 2012 #167
LOL!! He'll be charged as an enemy combatant or something ridiculous riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #170
Exactly which whistleblowers have been _not_ charged? (nt) jeff47 Aug 2012 #173
B.S. n/t DeSwiss Aug 2012 #39
charges will need to be brought up in order for a trial to proceed.. frylock Aug 2012 #73
Julian Assange was interviewed by the Swedish police. He remained in Sweden sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #126
are you still around? librechik Aug 2012 #216
Nothing has been 'confirmed' about Rove's role. It is an insinuation. randome Aug 2012 #9
"PM's Biographer Sees Rove Influence In Swedish Politics" KoKo Aug 2012 #17
So... now Rove controls foreign CIA plants? Good grief... CabCurious Aug 2012 #27
is "good grief" the crux of your argument? frylock Aug 2012 #74
Thanks for this... ljm2002 Aug 2012 #10
the pretense that this is about rape is just hysterical. also hysterical the DU posters who HiPointDem Aug 2012 #11
He's a creep and I believe those two progressive women. CabCurious Aug 2012 #23
those "progressive women" -- with intelligence connections. shame on you back. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #41
Yes... keep bashing these women and pretending the UK isn't the USA's top ally CabCurious Aug 2012 #47
as i said in another post, it's really disgusting that those pursuing right-wing ends cynically HiPointDem Aug 2012 #61
Here's what one had to say: Nevernose Aug 2012 #56
How do you know they are progressives? Marrah_G Aug 2012 #91
23yrs of international reporting on rape laws and MIC involvement = I'll lean Assange uponit7771 Aug 2012 #13
Anna Ardin was a CIA "honeytrap" FarCenter Aug 2012 #14
If not, she has had one of the weirdest lives of anyone I've read about. nt Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #19
Because the USA needed that... and because Sweden is more aligned with USA than the UK? CabCurious Aug 2012 #24
Consider the timeline -- either it was preplanned or the women were later induced or coerced. FarCenter Aug 2012 #70
These arguments are so... incoherent. frylock Aug 2012 #77
Ding Ding Ding - we have a winner. truedelphi Aug 2012 #42
Officially, of course, they say that Operation Mockingbird has been discontinued. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #62
High octane rape apologia. Robb Aug 2012 #18
It's disgusting, isn't it? CabCurious Aug 2012 #25
This forum has a lot of people like me who are information-starved. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #82
Agree! Make up our "Own Minds" from the information we read from diverse KoKo Aug 2012 #113
"Good Read" ......"J.D".........need more! KoKo Aug 2012 #114
Replying to my own post #82, in the last sentence I meant to type "unarmed civilians." JDPriestly Aug 2012 #195
maybe you should be looking at actual facts and testimony from courts and stuff TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #205
Sorry. I've read a lot of legal documents in my life. That is legalese. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #218
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #32
Nonsense. You know damn well it's more complicated than that. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #65
I just hate when people spout crappola..... DeSwiss Aug 2012 #78
... The offences of which he is accused and in respect of which his surrender is sought are alleged struggle4progress Aug 2012 #99
you karl rove fanboys are every bit as amusing frylock Aug 2012 #81
Was someone raped? whatchamacallit Aug 2012 #118
Katrin Axelsson from the European organization Women Against Rape had this to say: Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #21
Sweden isn't pursuing the rape charges with much zeal at all. But his defenders sure are zealous... CabCurious Aug 2012 #26
Damn, Son, You A Busy Little Beaver, You Are.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #36
But whiffing on recommendations, Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #51
Sweden just has to agree to NOT extradite Assange to the US riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #44
Sweden's done playing his games. He skipped out of country while authorities struggle4progress Aug 2012 #64
Oh yes, because international diplomatic incidents in London are FAR more preferable riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #67
+1000 n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #207
Did you join DU just to talk about Wikileaks? Marrah_G Aug 2012 #93
It sure looks like it. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #107
only if... Marrah_G Aug 2012 #116
It's southern term for a type of corn bread. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #123
Ohhhhh Marrah_G Aug 2012 #124
why not? TorchTheWitch Aug 2012 #202
I would hope Sweden pursues all rape cases with zeal treestar Aug 2012 #40
Me too. Contrary to "opinions" they've been rather apathetic on this CabCurious Aug 2012 #45
And it is interesting to note that the latest novel truedelphi Aug 2012 #50
THIS ENDS IT uponit7771 Aug 2012 #58
+1 GliderGuider Aug 2012 #105
Just figures KKKarl is in the thick of this. Dont call me Shirley Aug 2012 #28
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Aug 2012 #34
So get a Swedish lawyer and defend treestar Aug 2012 #38
Assange ran before the investigation was even complete... CabCurious Aug 2012 #46
They closed the investigations then reopened them uponit7771 Aug 2012 #59
Let's see 1) no, 2) no and 3) no truebrit71 Aug 2012 #84
Doesn't that add up to a "Hell, no"? GliderGuider Aug 2012 #109
Yeah the whole thing about how the evil Swedes will send him to the evil USA treestar Aug 2012 #117
I'm not sure that any of this matters. Daemonaquila Aug 2012 #60
Either that or he will be suicided. hifiguy Aug 2012 #79
Thanks nandru Aug 2012 #63
This board was infiltrated long ago. girl gone mad Aug 2012 #106
Wolf, not Klein. n/t DemocratsForProgress Aug 2012 #122
I would add to this point JDPriestly Aug 2012 #68
And then there's Karl ROVE in his new role: Link/Article KoKo Aug 2012 #95
and boom goes the dynamite frylock Aug 2012 #71
I don't understand why this obvious persecution is defended by so many here. K&R n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #76
I have been trying to understand that myself. hifiguy Aug 2012 #80
A very good question, indeed. 99Forever Aug 2012 #85
What's green and used as a substitute for grass on playing fields? n/t backscatter712 Aug 2012 #86
It might be a lot of "New DU'ers" don't know the background & some Oldies...well..... KoKo Aug 2012 #88
Mark Twain said something about the source of a man's corn pone GliderGuider Aug 2012 #110
9) Sexual assault accusations (not charges even) never result in international arrest warrants. morningfog Aug 2012 #103
Good Point...International Powers don't go for the Sexual ... KoKo Aug 2012 #119
Takes damn near Weird Willard level lying or bordering on Gohmert level stupidity TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #135
The anti-Assange BS is sickening. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #120
Yes. djean111 Aug 2012 #128
What, exactly, would he be extradited for? jeff47 Aug 2012 #130
That's pretty much what he didn't want to wait around to find out. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #131
You're free to speculate. jeff47 Aug 2012 #134
You can't render someone "just because" either... GliderGuider Aug 2012 #200
If they were going to use rendition, they'd do it from the UK. jeff47 Aug 2012 #208
They don't want to use rendition in this case - the target is too much of a public figure.. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #213
Then they have to have a law broken for extradition jeff47 Aug 2012 #215
There was no way to fix him in place in the UK GliderGuider Aug 2012 #217
Presumably, violating the Espionage Act [18 U.S.C. 793(e)] Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #132
And this is exactly the statue that the SCOTUS says does not apply. jeff47 Aug 2012 #133
So, you going to provide a citation for that assertion or....(?) Poll_Blind Aug 2012 #136
New York Times Co. v. United States (1971) jeff47 Aug 2012 #142
Evidently Ecuador has sufficient information that leads them to believe the US is going to extradite riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #140
Ecuador can declare the moon landing a hoax. Doesn't mean it's true. jeff47 Aug 2012 #143
Oh, yes, Ecuador is participating in a major international scandal over a HOAX? riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #144
Again, their claim requires breaking US law. You continue to fail jeff47 Aug 2012 #148
There's a secret grand jury empaneled already on Assange is exactly that, secret. riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #154
I'll just cut-n-paste since you continue to fail jeff47 Aug 2012 #155
LOL!! He'll be charged as an enemy combatant or something ridiculous riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #175
Yeah, it's not worth the trouble. Hissyspit Aug 2012 #178
Yes, it's so bothersome when people ask questions. jeff47 Aug 2012 #184
No, it's bothersome when people ignore answers Hissyspit Aug 2012 #186
I'm off for the night. Good luck riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #194
So you're being bothersome? jeff47 Aug 2012 #210
You can't charge someone as an "enemy combatant" during an extradition. jeff47 Aug 2012 #183
Sweden HAS done this before, with the US. Renditioned someone without any charges riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #193
And you keep ignoring that there's no reason to wait for Sweden jeff47 Aug 2012 #211
He's far too much of a public figure for rendition to have been an option. GliderGuider Aug 2012 #214
By seeking extradition from Sweden? jeff47 Aug 2012 #225
Answered 10x. If the Brits wouldn't do it during Iraq and Afghanistan wars, they won't for Assange riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #222
If you believe they didn't do it then jeff47 Aug 2012 #224
If there was nothing to be extradited for, djean111 Aug 2012 #198
Because guaranteeing no extradition is the same as issuing a pardon jeff47 Aug 2012 #209
The whole situation stinks... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #137
Good post, Kalidurga! DemocratsForProgress Aug 2012 #197
HUGE K & R !!! - Thank You !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #181
"Prosecutors never let two alleged victims have the same lawyer"? unblock Aug 2012 #190
Great post! We need to keep this high profile and high pressure. nt Zorra Aug 2012 #212
Kkkarl is a war criminal , that figures orpupilofnature57 Aug 2012 #226
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