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18. No. We people don't have the power to arbitrarily make rules.

Fri Nov 16, 2018, 06:21 PM

Nov 2018

You can dog whoever you want, all that's happening is you are wearing yourself out. We Dems dogged Trump for his and the pukes said no... so we got no Trumpy tax returns. It's like making a rule that you can drink a full bottle of tequila chased down by a bottle of scotch and not get a hangover. Good luck with both of those non enforceable rules.

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Before I forget, no candidate with a D can run without releasing 8 years tax returns. [View all] Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 OP

what does that accomplish if it only applies to dems AlexSFCA Nov 2018 #1

"Be the change you want to see". Regardless of what Republicans do, I want to see tax returns. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #2

Of course. thanks Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #8

Bullshit, this does nothing... AZ8theist Nov 2018 #45

It would be great if both parties "adopted transparency", however, I'm not a Republican and have... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #49

Agreed, but.. AZ8theist Nov 2018 #50

It's not wasted, because we get to choose who we want to represent us on the world stage, and not... Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #70

and because we set the example still_one Nov 2018 #106

+1 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #148

It helps get the cleanest JustAnotherGen Nov 2018 #78

+1 Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #89

We're not republicans. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #6

So we show ours and they don't and that's smart how? realmirage Nov 2018 #26

What are you afraid of? Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #34

I explained exactly what I'm afraid of. realmirage Nov 2018 #72

Any candidate that has something to hide in their financials is ehrnst Nov 2018 #138

If we DON'T release returns, we lose all moral authority to demand that pnwmom Nov 2018 #65

That is most assuredly an added bonus! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #134

Any candidate should have to show Cha Nov 2018 #3

Works for me mcar Nov 2018 #4

Let us know when you have the power to enforce your new rule. Autumn Nov 2018 #5

People have the power. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #7

Wonder why anyone would be against this? Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #9

They don't like transparency? Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #11

Maybe ... because they're taking money from a foreign government? FakeNoose Nov 2018 #85

No. We people don't have the power to arbitrarily make rules. Autumn Nov 2018 #18

A candidate who does not publish, does not get my vote jberryhill Nov 2018 #153

I understand that. If the candidate who wins the nomination of your parties primary refuses to Autumn Nov 2018 #156

You're making zero sense here jberryhill Nov 2018 #157

What I said is... if you want to make it a rule for one party it's better to make it a law that Autumn Nov 2018 #158

Curious about your response. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #16

I think it's a very reasonable request and should be a law, not a rule. Republicans will Autumn Nov 2018 #22

We shouldn't care what Republicans insist we do, or that they don't do. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #27

Love your responses and reasoning. I didnt anticipate any opposition to my idea. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #38

You are welcome. Caliman73 Nov 2018 #58

If the OP lives in any number of states that allow ballot initiatives s/he would have the power. xmas74 Nov 2018 #67

That would work as long as it's for both parties and IMO only the higher offices. Autumn Nov 2018 #71

actually any state has the power to enforce that rule dsc Nov 2018 #167

They could , doesn't mean they will. I think that's pretty low on the priority list. Autumn Nov 2018 #168

Depends on the office they are running for Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #10

President. nt Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #12

certainly pres, and many others like senator, congress, etc Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #13

Had not thought of that, you may be right. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #14

When I ran for local council in NJ Jersey Devil Nov 2018 #15

When you're right you're right and you're right! Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #17

That's exactly it, and you can't make one party do it when the other doesn't have to. Autumn Nov 2018 #23

I'm down with your rule. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #19

Agreed Gothmog Nov 2018 #21

Agreed grantcart Nov 2018 #33

+1 ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #60

A couple of blue states have also made this the law Gothmog Nov 2018 #20

Works for me. sheshe2 Nov 2018 #24

For people who believe Sanders has no chance at getting the nomination there sure are realmirage Nov 2018 #25

Sanders? Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #29

He thinks "BS has a chance" because Cha Nov 2018 #147

Chance of what? Small-Axe Nov 2018 #35

I fear that Putin will try to help sanders again so as to help trump Gothmog Nov 2018 #48

I see it precisely the same way. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #51

We are not alone Gothmog Nov 2018 #98

Using Russia to smear Bernie Sanders? realmirage Nov 2018 #74

Read the USA story or the Mueller indictment Gothmog Nov 2018 #96

BAM! I'm almost certain you won't get a response. Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #105

I'll read it as soon as I stop "lulzing". N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #109

"Lulz"? You don't see that expression used alot these days, especially here. lapucelle Nov 2018 #108

He didn't say "smear" he said "help". George II Nov 2018 #114

You seem to hate giving that capital S to Sen. Sanders name n/t Devil Child Nov 2018 #95

I also do not capitalize nader's name for much the same reason Gothmog Nov 2018 #97

Whatever helps you cope I guess n/t Devil Child Nov 2018 #102

I cope by working to protect the vote and elect real Democrats Gothmog Nov 2018 #117

That is an admirable coping skill and one I support Devil Child Nov 2018 #123

Texas will turn blue Gothmog Nov 2018 #124

That's why I always use quick and easy capitalized initials...BS. N/T lapucelle Nov 2018 #110

Yeah, capitalize BS. Cha Nov 2018 #146

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #73

He lost by 4 million votes to HRC. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #79

... mcar Nov 2018 #84

I would love to see sanders tax returns Gothmog Nov 2018 #44

I really want to see Sanders taxes. Wintryjade Nov 2018 #46

Post removed Post removed Nov 2018 #75

Democrats believe in full disclosure Gothmog Nov 2018 #115

a lot of posts on DU treestar Nov 2018 #57

Your claim that the people here are realmirage Nov 2018 #77

reality always helps treestar Nov 2018 #83

Sanders will not be the nominee of the Democratic Party Gothmog Nov 2018 #116

When you become chair of the DNC please let us know. former9thward Nov 2018 #28

What can I say, I like transparency. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #30

Well then Jerry Brown is not your friend. former9thward Nov 2018 #31

DONT tell me who my friends are, do NOT. You have no CLUE who I am and who my friends are. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #32

Since you are playing word games former9thward Nov 2018 #39

No response melman Nov 2018 #76

You do realize it is possible to disagree with a politician mcar Nov 2018 #87

I doubt he is either. former9thward Nov 2018 #93

I like transparency mcar Nov 2018 #86

:) Our new democracy reform bill does require presidential Hortensis Nov 2018 #91

You mean the party itself has this, or do you mean a bill in the House? Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #92

Big legislative package in the house, to be introduced Hortensis Nov 2018 #104

Maryland and a couple of blue states have adopted ballot access laws Gothmog Nov 2018 #42

These laws will affect no one. former9thward Nov 2018 #43

Candidates who won't disclose taxes shouldn't be on the ballot Gothmog Nov 2018 #52

I have seen Tribe's arguments. former9thward Nov 2018 #61

I trust Tribe here Gothmog Nov 2018 #64

Yes I am a member of the bar and do criminal defense. former9thward Nov 2018 #66

How a party selects its nominee is not a Constitutional question. Small-Axe Nov 2018 #55

If a state restricts ballot access then it is a Constitutional question. former9thward Nov 2018 #59

It would be interesting to see who would sue Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #82

The larger issue is privacy. former9thward Nov 2018 #94

You give up a ton of privacy by running for office Gothmog Nov 2018 #100

The right to privacy is a core of the Constitution. former9thward Nov 2018 #121

You do understand that running for office is a personal choice? Gothmog Nov 2018 #127

That is the exact same argument anti-abortion people use. former9thward Nov 2018 #132

That analogy is so bad that it is funny Gothmog Nov 2018 #133

"but there are no penalties for ignoring it " former9thward Nov 2018 #135

In Maryland and other states with ballot access laws, you cannot get onto the ballot Gothmog Nov 2018 #160

I don't understand why there is such resistance to requiring candidates to release tax returns... George II Nov 2018 #136

Agreed Gothmog Nov 2018 #137

Um... since the early 70's, most Potus candidates have released them. ehrnst Nov 2018 #141

Why did Jerry Brown refuse to release his? former9thward Nov 2018 #144

Did he win the Dem POTUS nomination? Any of the times he ran? ehrnst Nov 2018 #154

Ok, so everytone except POTUS is exempt from the tax return argument. former9thward Nov 2018 #155

If anyone at all, it needs to be POTUS. ehrnst Nov 2018 #159

Yes, I would like to see Brown run. former9thward Nov 2018 #162

"I don't understand the fascination with tax returns." ehrnst Nov 2018 #164

So what did we learn about Trump from the FEC filings? former9thward Nov 2018 #165

Goalposts moved. ehrnst Nov 2018 #166

That is not what was posted above Gothmog Nov 2018 #161

The Democratic Party can institute a rule requiring a release of tax returns... George II Nov 2018 #113

Yes it can. former9thward Nov 2018 #119

The individual state Democratic Parties make their rules. That's why some states have primaries... George II Nov 2018 #122

No they don't former9thward Nov 2018 #145

The DNC isn't stupid enough to adopt such a rule. What a rule like this is essentially saying is - Midwestern Democrat Nov 2018 #126

trump's returns will be released by the House early next year Gothmog Nov 2018 #101

+1 uponit7771 Nov 2018 #151

Politics How States Could Force Trump to Release His Tax Returns Gothmog Nov 2018 #99

Did he say specifically why it violated the Constitution? Was it the US Constitution or California's George II Nov 2018 #112

The U.S. Constitution. former9thward Nov 2018 #120

And Brown is wrong according Proferssors Hasen and Tribe Gothmog Nov 2018 #128

There are two things involved, State laws and Party rules. Have those states... George II Nov 2018 #88

This ensures democrats will not ever encounter a TRUMP of our own. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #36

I keep saying what if this happened under Obama or Hillary... Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #37

I absolutely agree. Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #47

And I could forgive someone who Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #54

Why eight? Why not 7? Or 6? Or 4? Or 9? Honeycombe8 Nov 2018 #40

Why not round it up to 10...I have no problem with that. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #41

As long as it's not zero, or half of one that is two years old. George II Nov 2018 #118

Yes... complete returns are essential. NO FAKE OR LAME EXCUSES! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #125

I think that's a great new rule! NurseJackie Nov 2018 #53

I thought so, in fact I thought it was like when I say Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #56

Make a clean break from the "Rules are for sissies" stance of the present administration ProudLib72 Nov 2018 #62

I agree. brer cat Nov 2018 #63

If I ran for local office, and showed jb5150 Nov 2018 #68

OK, that was funny...probably true too but funny. Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #69

Wow this thread was enlightening. MrsCoffee Nov 2018 #80

Unbelievable isn't it? nt Tavarious Jackson Nov 2018 #81

It's a real head scratcher, ain't it? Tarheel_Dem Nov 2018 #90

People identify with a political group, accept the group's leader, Hortensis Nov 2018 #142

Agree with your principle but who keeps 8 years of documents? PJMcK Nov 2018 #103

many do. i am one of them. drray23 Nov 2018 #129

How many years do you keep? PJMcK Nov 2018 #131

OK, 7... Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #130

The IRS has 10 years worth and could be released through them no? uponit7771 Nov 2018 #152

Wrong.... whistler162 Nov 2018 #107

What does "mtwo D's in it" even mean? (nt) ehrnst Nov 2018 #140

lol aikoaiko Nov 2018 #111

What is funny about wanting candidates with nothing to hide? Eliot Rosewater Nov 2018 #143

Any candidate who refuses even this basic vetting is a time bomb. ehrnst Nov 2018 #139

I'm fine with weighing it among every other aspect of a candidate. All things being equal, I'll take JCanete Nov 2018 #149

Maryland and other blue states will have ballot access laws Gothmog Nov 2018 #163

Business records too jmowreader Nov 2018 #150