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In reply to the discussion: Lots of misunderstanding around here about what Michael Moore is doing. [View all]Fla Dem
(25,121 posts)135. I don't know where you got your numbers from, but they're off.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election
Hillary Clinton received the 3rd largest popular vote in American history.
She received more popular votes than any other WHITE MALE candidate in American history.
More than GW Bush
More than Bill Clinton
More than GHW Bush
More than Ronald Reagan
More than John Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Abraham Lincoln.
She received 3,653,906 less votes than Barack Obama did in 2008, an historical Presidential election.
Hillary Clinton received 71,185 less votes than Barack Obama did in his 2nd election in 2012.
Voter turnout was not abysmal. It also was the 2nd highest number of voter participation for the two major candidates.
2008---129.5 million
2012---126.8 million
2016---128.8 million
If you're talking about rate of participation, here's an article
New report finds that voter turnout in 2016 topped 2012
BY REID WILSON - 03/16/17 03:00 AM EDT
More voters cast ballots in Novembers elections than when President Obama won reelection in 2012, though the number of Americans who showed up to vote remains well below all-time highs set half a century ago.
About 139 million Americans, or 60.2 percent of the voting-eligible population, cast a ballot in Novembers elections, according to data compiled by the U.S. Elections Project. That compares with 58.6 percent of eligible voters who turned out in 2012, but its below the 62.2 percent who turned out to help elect Obama for the first time in 2008.
Last year, President Trump won just shy of 63 million votes enough to secure a majority of the Electoral College, even though he fell almost 3 million votes shy of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.
The states where Trump and Clinton battled most fiercely also tended to be those where voter turnout was highest. Nine of the 13 states where voter turnout was highest were battleground states.
<<<snip>>>
Voter turnout in 2016 was the second-highest in the past half-century, after the 62.2 percent who turned out in 2008. Voter turnout topped 62 percent in all three presidential contests held in the 1960s, the most recent surge in voter participation.
Voter turnout most recently topped 65 percent in 1908, though among a much smaller population: Women did not get the right to vote until 1920.
more>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/324206-new-report-finds-that-voter-turnout-in-2016-topped-2012
BY REID WILSON - 03/16/17 03:00 AM EDT
More voters cast ballots in Novembers elections than when President Obama won reelection in 2012, though the number of Americans who showed up to vote remains well below all-time highs set half a century ago.
About 139 million Americans, or 60.2 percent of the voting-eligible population, cast a ballot in Novembers elections, according to data compiled by the U.S. Elections Project. That compares with 58.6 percent of eligible voters who turned out in 2012, but its below the 62.2 percent who turned out to help elect Obama for the first time in 2008.
Last year, President Trump won just shy of 63 million votes enough to secure a majority of the Electoral College, even though he fell almost 3 million votes shy of his Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton.
The states where Trump and Clinton battled most fiercely also tended to be those where voter turnout was highest. Nine of the 13 states where voter turnout was highest were battleground states.
<<<snip>>>
Voter turnout in 2016 was the second-highest in the past half-century, after the 62.2 percent who turned out in 2008. Voter turnout topped 62 percent in all three presidential contests held in the 1960s, the most recent surge in voter participation.
Voter turnout most recently topped 65 percent in 1908, though among a much smaller population: Women did not get the right to vote until 1920.
more>>>>>
https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/324206-new-report-finds-that-voter-turnout-in-2016-topped-2012
Having posted all of the above, I am not denying the HRC Campaign may have made some tactical errors, particularly where she campaigned. But it's time to look forward not back. Enough with the Hillary bashing and the attempts to divide Democrats, Liberals and Progressives, whatever they want to call themselves. We have three objectives, to take over the House and Senate in 2018 and the White House in 2020. That's it. We can only do that if we're united. Look forward not back.
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Lots of misunderstanding around here about what Michael Moore is doing. [View all]
LBM20
Sep 2018
OP
Moore is a self-proclaimed "polemicist" and he isn't trying to make us like him.
PinkTiger
Sep 2018
#174
At least Moore is fighting hard to preserve his $50,000,000+ personal fortune.
lapucelle
Sep 2018
#231
Other people use their star power to help and rebuild their devastated communities. Moore just runs
Cha
Sep 2018
#281
his problem is the same as most political observers - they contort themselves into pretzels trying
certainot
Sep 2018
#296
Cha, you are very close to trolling and/or spamming when you post the same long post
Nitram
Sep 2018
#243
Strange, the "Who are you going to believe about MM, me or your lying eyes?" posts.
betsuni
Sep 2018
#275
No, his "attacks" show moderates he's not a "left wing kool aid drinker."
thesquanderer
Sep 2018
#106
You didn't respond without personally attacking me. Why not address that MM is a LIAR?
Cha
Sep 2018
#214
"The quote about Obama ... is 4 or 5 years old." We have to hear about "super-predators,"
betsuni
Sep 2018
#291
Also, as far as what he said about Obama's Flint response is concerned, his general criticism
liberalnarb
Sep 2018
#191
We went thru a whole campaign in 2016 with another progressive attacking the Dem party.
brush
Sep 2018
#158
I am so happy that real Democrats are boycotting this attack on the Democratic Party
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#343
Friday evening - "I love President Obama; we may not have a better president in my lifetime,"
DrDan
Sep 2018
#149
Him saying O was the best pres. of his life but then turning around to bash the Dems...
brush
Sep 2018
#171
No, he said he "LOVES" Obama but took issue with the water crisis matter. He wanted Hillary to win
LBM20
Sep 2018
#13
What is the difference between the tarffs and trade that Bernie proposed and what Trump is doing?
olegramps
Sep 2018
#44
Hillary received almost 4 million more votes tan Sanders did. The people spoke. Does that answer
lunamagica
Sep 2018
#101
As far as I can tell Moore was saying Hillary being given the debate questions in advance, which
Fred Sanders
Sep 2018
#39
Obviously no amount of evidence will convince some...that Moore even loves his hometown....
Fred Sanders
Sep 2018
#324
The "scandal" was because, in the debate in Flint, she was told there would be a question
Squinch
Sep 2018
#59
I voted for and strongly supported Hillary in 2008 ,voted for Bernie in 2016 and felt that the ..
CentralMass
Sep 2018
#70
Hiw did the DNC rig the primary and where are you getting these numbers from?
Ninsianna
Sep 2018
#93
I posted the numbers links in another reply to my post. Regrading the rigging..
CentralMass
Sep 2018
#147
Sorry, but that doesn't seem to reflect a basic understanding of superdelegates
Ninsianna
Sep 2018
#309
Michael Moore is Full of Shite.. this is what he said in 2014 about President Obama..
Cha
Sep 2018
#199
what we have learned is that most of this bashing is dishonest and nonfactual
Ninsianna
Sep 2018
#97
Well, he didn't "bash" Obama. He said something about Obama pretending to drink Flint water.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2018
#247
No, and enough of ONLY the "white anger" point. That is shallow thinking. It was WAY more than that.
LBM20
Sep 2018
#14
Racism and sexism accounted for votes for Trump. One of Moore's points is that the largest
liberalnarb
Sep 2018
#127
Also, the votes of the heartland and Flint spoke volumes, they chose Hillary.
Ninsianna
Sep 2018
#311
No, he has said he LOVES Obama time and again. It was just about his response to the Flynt water
LBM20
Sep 2018
#16
He said he very much loves Obama and he is the greatest President of all time! On Bill Maher just
Fred Sanders
Sep 2018
#38
Fair enough, ya got me. I get lazy checking spellings. Corrected now, Thanks. n/t
Tom Rinaldo
Sep 2018
#52
I think when one has to translate another's message & motives to those who have always supported ...
hlthe2b
Sep 2018
#10
Hopefully when he rants to vote in November in order to wipe out the R's that is relevant for you.
LBM20
Sep 2018
#19
How does attacking President Obama and the Democratic Party help voter turnout?
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#344
Moore said Obama did some good things but is showing disappointment that he didn't do more. So,
LBM20
Sep 2018
#27
No, I don't think so. The books have been huge hits. The problem is that he is attacking Democrats.
lunamagica
Sep 2018
#92
The less people see Democrats being bashed just weeks before the midterms, the better
lunamagica
Sep 2018
#117
"He does a lot more than "bashing Democrats", right, but he DOES bash Democrats, as you
lunamagica
Sep 2018
#198
You mean by sponsoring wars and flag burning legislation and banning gay marriage?
Hassin Bin Sober
Sep 2018
#234
Thanks. Wrote an OP before I saw your more excellent one in defence of Moore. Totally agree.
Fred Sanders
Sep 2018
#35
He also predicted Romney would win. If you predict the Republican every time, sometimes you'll be
Squinch
Sep 2018
#61
Michael Moore is a Liar.. and Yes I know I'm posting this a lot .. with no response so far, btw.
Cha
Sep 2018
#208
This ... SEEMS ... like an attack due to ignoring outside interference !!! It existed and HAS TO BE
uponit7771
Sep 2018
#148
"Moore was one of the few correct in predicting Trump's inside-straight win in 2016"
Perseus
Sep 2018
#83
He was sounding a warning: "Do not be complacent about having this election in the bag." nt
scarletwoman
Sep 2018
#112
No Michael Moore has NOT always supported Democrats, and in 2000 when he said that a vote for Gore
still_one
Sep 2018
#131
Moore supported Nader and Moore is responsible for the Iraq war, Citiizens United and the gutting of
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#169
I woulldn't say that, but I would say that he helped lead a lot of guilible naive people from voting
still_one
Sep 2018
#225
Nader and Sarandon have no remorse or regrets. Moore did express remorse on Bill Maher's show, but
still_one
Sep 2018
#286
Moore is not an ally of the Democratic Party and it is in his best efforts to hurt the party
Gothmog
Sep 2018
#293
*** BULLSHIT !!! *** Where is the mention of Russia !?!? Either they DID or DID NOT interfere !!!
uponit7771
Sep 2018
#133
It's flat Earth logic to ignore outside factors like voter suppression and Russian interference.
uponit7771
Sep 2018
#146
Actually, Moore was 100% wrong about the reasons behind Hillary losing the EC.
stopbush
Sep 2018
#139
Moore's vote probably didn't make a difference in Michigan. But by FL, it was clear...
Honeycombe8
Sep 2018
#258
I'm ony here to comment on the spectacular circular firing squad that is being carried here
elmac
Sep 2018
#219
When we start destroying fellow progressives we are destroying any chance of ridding
elmac
Sep 2018
#220
Perhaps it would be instructive if you would look at see who is attacking who, and who is the one
still_one
Sep 2018
#230
In general, when the military or the CIA are blamed for planning a domestic health crisis, it is
Nitram
Sep 2018
#245
The Flint water problem was caused by STATE and LOCAL govt. Not the federal govt.
Honeycombe8
Sep 2018
#260
I thought his movie was kind of all over the place but it was clearly progressive
Alhena
Sep 2018
#261
"Look at this thread. DU has made it impossible to discuss the realties of the Democratic Party
betsuni
Sep 2018
#318
The irony is this 319-post string is as much a "circular firing squad" as anything - the strength
Kashkakat v.2.0
Sep 2018
#322
I guess he can blame the dismal premiere showing on the establishment Democrats also
still_one
Sep 2018
#336