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(89 posts)
66. It's an experiment
Sun Aug 12, 2012, 05:10 AM
Aug 2012

When they throw this particular shit at the wall, will it stick? Or rather, how well will it stick? How much will stick? Some of it will, and that's valuable information for Rove et al to have, to see how far they can push the envelope, even if they don't win this time around. They've pushed it very aggressively so far and they've done amazingly well with that strategy, I bet they're even surprised themselves at how well it's worked (and keeps on working.) So they push harder the next time.

One difference this time is that the Obama team is prepared and willing to get down and dirty too. Going on the offense instead of just defending when the Repubs attack. I was pretty impressed with today's quick response.

The R team might be thinking they can change course if Romney sinks like a stone in the polling, that they can manufacture some excuse or scandal if they need to pull Ryan out. However, by announcing Ryan they've given away their evil plan, the same one that Romney has been so careful up to this point not to disclose the details of (consciously, at least - he oozes it at a subconscious level.)

That whole entitled rich kid, I'm-better-than-you-common-people meme that Romney's been trying so hard to shake - it's carved in stone now. (All the Rs don't help. Rotten by association. Richie Rich, Romney/Ryan, Rolls Royce, Rand, Republican, Reagan...) There's no resetting the Etch-A-Sketch now, not this close to the election. But yeah, the plutocracy wins either way, it's just a matter of how much of their wish list they're gonna get this round. I'd love to see us push back the other way, though. Like the French are with their proposed 75% tax rate for the top income bracket.

In any rational country Romney wouldn't poll above the teens on his best day. Add Ryan and that number should drop to the single digits. But America has more than its fair share of extremists and crazies...

"When fascism comes to America, it will be holding a bible and draped in an American flag." HopeHoops Aug 2012 #1
I concur, sold cell phone for a scope. nt bonniebgood Aug 2012 #72
Your last sentence expresses my feelings. russspeakeasy Aug 2012 #2
RMoney and RAyn. A DEram come true! Kablooie Aug 2012 #3
I think Paul Ryan is all about... ellisonz Aug 2012 #4
yeah, that's a factor cali Aug 2012 #5
I think they're trying to distract from Romney's religion problem... ellisonz Aug 2012 #6
I think it's a desperation move cali Aug 2012 #8
I severely doubt that Romney has a political team. jeff47 Aug 2012 #27
Religion is off topic this year. especially bonniebgood Aug 2012 #73
What are you trying to say... ellisonz Aug 2012 #92
yeah kardonb Aug 2012 #93
Bingo Mz Pip Aug 2012 #88
Bone Ugly, Ma'am: Nothing But Ugly, All The Way Down.... The Magistrate Aug 2012 #7
Yes indeed, sir. cali Aug 2012 #9
Nothing Uglier than marrow ugly SaveAmerica Aug 2012 #97
I'd say it is more cardboard than ugly underpants Aug 2012 #10
No. It's as ugly as can be imagined cali Aug 2012 #11
In a nutshell Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #20
wow. and I agree that we've only seen the surface so far cali Aug 2012 #21
Your friends, we're they ...? unc70 Aug 2012 #59
The way I see it, the people who made this ticket happen don't really give a shit if Obama wins or Brickbat Aug 2012 #12
I think that's a rather narrow view of it cali Aug 2012 #14
I've just figured that the easiest way to explain these bizarre tickets (Bush/Cheney, McCain/Palin, Brickbat Aug 2012 #15
Quite contrary, they think $$ spread in CORPORATE media with make this SOW's ear into a silk purse. CarmanK Aug 2012 #17
I think the people who made this ticket happen are hedging their bets, and sure to win either way. Marr Aug 2012 #38
So that's the new DU Meme? "Obama is just the same as Ryan" emulatorloo Aug 2012 #78
How about this-- you express your own thoughts, and I'll express mine. Marr Aug 2012 #82
How about this. You take responsibility for your own words emulatorloo Aug 2012 #84
I never denied it. I said it because I meant it. Marr Aug 2012 #86
"grade school summary"? I just cut to the heart of the matter. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #87
I take it you're not willing to bet against that "Grand Bargain" thing I mentioned. /nt Marr Aug 2012 #96
quite a fantastical leap you have made. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #101
Another non-answer. Marr Aug 2012 #103
No. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #106
Thank you. Marr Aug 2012 #108
*crickets* Marr Aug 2012 #104
Hold your horses, I have things I have to do in the real world. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #105
It's an experiment brazil Aug 2012 #66
I think you need to look at how Republicans rule the red states. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #79
I'm not saying there's no difference. Brickbat Aug 2012 #83
Vaginal probe was the most visceral of examples. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #85
and add Ryans abortion extremism on top of that n/t Enrique Aug 2012 #13
ROMNEY HOOD riding on Paul RYAN EXPRESS to Corporate Hell. Misery loves company and they want all US CarmanK Aug 2012 #16
Yep, it is far worse than McCain and Palin. I agree, McCain had some RKP5637 Aug 2012 #37
Not just ugly, evil too. Avalux Aug 2012 #18
I don't use that word- though here it's tempting cali Aug 2012 #19
Not Just Ugly, But Also Downright Insulting To Intelligence Skraxx Aug 2012 #22
well said! cali Aug 2012 #24
I like Wisconsin Cheese.... The empressof all Aug 2012 #23
Except for Meunster cheese of course Blue Owl Aug 2012 #62
Btw, when talking to conservatives, point out how this is all the fault of the SCOTUS jeff47 Aug 2012 #25
I knew it was bad when broadcaster75201 Aug 2012 #26
With a Romney/Ryan ticket it says a lot about America, and it is not good, and it is scary. I really RKP5637 Aug 2012 #28
It's worse than that. From personal family DevonRex Aug 2012 #42
Thanks for your summary. That, makes it even more frightening, intelligent people RKP5637 Aug 2012 #47
Some even admit to racism again and DevonRex Aug 2012 #57
I hear you and agree up to a point Grammy23 Aug 2012 #56
Bush/Cheney were worse. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #29
no. they weren't. cali Aug 2012 #64
Yes, they were. GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #68
I am not so sure that Bushco actually won in 2004. I thought that avebury Aug 2012 #107
Let's not argue over pigs. n/t ellisonz Aug 2012 #109
Obama has to get both the senate and house riverbendviewgal Aug 2012 #30
I don't think taking back the house is within the realm of possibility cali Aug 2012 #31
They need to start a 50 state strategy today! ananda Aug 2012 #36
We should have started that at least 10 years ago! RC Aug 2012 #58
Herman and Eddy Munster King_Klonopin Aug 2012 #32
I guess it's to excite the base cali Aug 2012 #35
Obama needs to make bold, positive statements about Social Security and JDPriestly Aug 2012 #33
"that this ticket should even be put up reflects some very scary stuff about this country" PufPuf23 Aug 2012 #34
I'm disgusted that even 40% of americans would vote for such craven candidates southmost Aug 2012 #39
they are going for broke now Skittles Aug 2012 #40
So was McCain/Palin ibegurpard Aug 2012 #41
From what I have seen posted here about Romney and Ryan AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #43
I could almost see a world reaction to stop them, because I think they RKP5637 Aug 2012 #50
I agree completely,RPK. Romney/Ryan will do globally what catbyte Aug 2012 #54
+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #99
Yes it is. I agree. yardwork Aug 2012 #44
Almost* classic battle between tradition and progress, IMO. JohnnyLib2 Aug 2012 #45
A serial outsourcer and a crazy lunatic who's out to destroy millions. Initech Aug 2012 #46
Not to mention Ryan's family made Myrina Aug 2012 #48
"I do think President Obama will likely win" 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #49
You have it right.... dtom67 Aug 2012 #94
I know what you mean 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #100
Ugly ticket? Yes. Good ticket? Yes for the Democrats. mwooldri Aug 2012 #51
I agree elections like this set a moral tone. A Romney/Ryan win would be a step into the darkness Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #52
That's my feeling, too. A couple of Hitlers who will do anything it takes to mow down America. nt valerief Aug 2012 #53
Ugly & desparate. This is why there has to be optimum Dem voter participation. Tarheel_Dem Aug 2012 #55
so true ! agent zero Aug 2012 #60
Fuggly indeed. Blue Owl Aug 2012 #61
Ryan is the more dangerous of the two-- 19th century here we come.... andym Aug 2012 #63
Anyone who thinks a business man B Calm Aug 2012 #65
Agree x a lot. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #67
Suddenly, Palin doesn't look so bad agentS Aug 2012 #69
Is there realy any difference between an conquering ruler BanzaiBonnie Aug 2012 #70
that can be debated but what can't be debated is the cali Aug 2012 #74
Just when you think CHENEY was the nadir,....... WinkyDink Aug 2012 #71
they are a repulsive scary ticket samsingh Aug 2012 #75
One thing is crystal clear fredamae Aug 2012 #76
Worse than Bush/Cheney? johnlucas Aug 2012 #77
More upfront about it than Bush/Cheney. And Bush seems honest compared to Romney. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #80
Yeah Cosmocat Aug 2012 #90
Bush was an apathetic drunk Horse with no Name Aug 2012 #81
that is about as an accurate Cosmocat Aug 2012 #91
Really,Really Ugly Ticket elbloggoZY27 Aug 2012 #89
Republican party last gasp lovuian Aug 2012 #95
Yes it is. I just hope the evangelicals realize how cruel Paul Ryan really is and plans to be. /nt Overseas Aug 2012 #98
They need to go down hard... Kalidurga Aug 2012 #102
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