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Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
69. 100% agree.
Sat Aug 11, 2012, 11:49 PM
Aug 2012

"Some will say I'm a broken record, that I've said this before. Guilty as charged. But as long as the Third Way keeps bringing it up, I will too. There must be a line beyond which we'll not retreat, and for me, this is it. Let's hold our ground here, let's not keep letting our politicians move us further and further right. It must stop."

And while we're at it, it would be great if the not-really liberal media quits spewing false equivalences between both sides, and no longer fears the "liberal media" label. It drives me insane to hear somebody claim that BOTH Republicans and Democrats have moved away from the "center", when it's mainly the Republicans. If Democrats have really moved far to the left, why haven't they tried to do things like end the Drug War, advocate single-payer health care, or advocate returning to Eisenhower taxes for millionaires? And I might be wrong, but I find it sickening that they give even a sense of legitimacy to the failed policies from the right-wing. They know that trickle-down doesn't work. They know that the government intruding in people's sex-lives is perverse and immoral. They know that the U.S. remains the only industrialized nation without single-payer, and countless people here remain uninsured while Republicans whine about some mandate that they once supported. It's time for the media to call BS as it is.

They are not Democrats. kentuck Aug 2012 #1
Seconded. Jackpine Radical Aug 2012 #3
Thirded. "They all do it" is the GOP's second favorite slogan. McCamy Taylor Aug 2012 #220
Fourthed. I wonder how many of them were Reagan Democrats, or former Moderate Republicans? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #245
Fifthed. Try saying that three times quickly. hay rick Aug 2012 #271
For sure! Lydia Leftcoast Aug 2012 #18
Thus, I'm pointing out, this includes Bill Clinton... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #32
Nobody answered my question from earlier... Liberal_Stalwart71 Aug 2012 #60
Funny, wasn't it? MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #61
Please see #88, below. In 1993, Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by increasing the AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #91
Yes. Thanks to Clinton, Social Security is means-tested in that those who receive. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #104
Reagan started that. Clinton increased it. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #113
Like I said... THUS, this includes the big dawg... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #184
That's the third way Democrats that Manny talks about a lot. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #223
did you see this? HiPointDem Aug 2012 #226
Okay, I see what he was saying MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #320
I'll point a finger at him: He's a Third Way Democrat and, if I'm not mistaken, whathehell Aug 2012 #303
Clinton snookered us Plucketeer Aug 2012 #65
Lots of them snookered us... MrMickeysMom Aug 2012 #67
Corporate tentacles run deep. woo me with science Aug 2012 #43
Republicans want to cut the roots out from the TREE of LIBERTY. CarmanK Aug 2012 #189
Agreed, any objective observer would have to agree with you /nt Dragonfli Aug 2012 #56
Exactly, MNBrewer Aug 2012 #89
Do you include Obama in this assesment? lark Aug 2012 #181
+ 1,000,000,000... What You Said !!! WillyT Aug 2012 #105
+2,000,000,000 FTTW Vincardog Aug 2012 #227
+1 HiPointDem Aug 2012 #112
No real Democrat would support such extreme positions. Scuba Aug 2012 #118
Umm, they're Democrats, all right. They, like our country, have rushed to the right. SusanaMontana41 Aug 2012 #214
My sentiments exactly! liberal N proud Aug 2012 #256
Are you opposed to cutting fraud? boppers Aug 2012 #2
No MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #9
The BIGGEST fraud to Medicare is coming from the private sector. Spitfire of ATJ Aug 2012 #68
But if you attack that fraud, you are "cutting medicare". eom boppers Aug 2012 #119
the proposed cuts are not primarily based on "cutting fraud" Ken Burch Aug 2012 #127
The best way to get rid of fraud from Medicare is to get rid of the 'fraudsters' altogether. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #262
Because it's not prosecuted? boppers Aug 2012 #300
What is "cutting fraud" salib Aug 2012 #82
Less fraud = less money = cut. boppers Aug 2012 #121
There's virtually no fraud on the part of medicare patients Ken Burch Aug 2012 #126
The point of "cutting fraud" shouldn't be to spend less on Medicare Ken Burch Aug 2012 #128
Give me a break! Curmudgeoness Aug 2012 #160
If that was all that *both* parties are considering there would not be a problem newthinking Aug 2012 #199
You can't possibly be this stupid. jeff47 Aug 2012 #261
Where is the Fraud? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #263
why do you hate America? seanpencil Aug 2012 #95
The colors bother me. boppers Aug 2012 #120
I agree with you on nothing, woo me with science Aug 2012 #156
Of course not. But that isn't what this is about Ken Burch Aug 2012 #102
So, if you're fine with medicare fraud, tax fraud, and other fraud... boppers Aug 2012 #122
medicare fraud on the part of patients is a trivially small problem Ken Burch Aug 2012 #125
There is no Medicare Fraud. Patients are not committing Fraud, Medicare is not committing sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #264
Get a 'treatment". Doctor gets paid $1000 for it. boppers Aug 2012 #299
I've been ProSense Aug 2012 #4
I think the original post is not amount Dems supporting the Ryan budget, but about supporting a limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #21
Yes, you know, the third way site its'self perhaps? Dragonfli Aug 2012 #23
So ProSense Aug 2012 #34
They have been pushing that meme ever since, and are still today, it is the PLAN Dragonfli Aug 2012 #48
July 2012 3 Way says "entitlements" such as SS are squeezing investments and need "reform" jtuck004 Aug 2012 #108
Oh, and ProSense Aug 2012 #36
It is not bullshit, else you could refute it, lame man love is what it is.... Dragonfli Aug 2012 #42
Actually, ProSense Aug 2012 #45
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #49
Yup... SidDithers Aug 2012 #63
This is fun for you? girl gone mad Aug 2012 #98
Actually, JDPriestly Aug 2012 #107
Call it ProSense Aug 2012 #152
actually it's always more fun reading descriptions of rhetoric/behavior stupidicus Aug 2012 #269
"lame man love"?... SidDithers Aug 2012 #64
I know, right? StrictlyRockers Aug 2012 #77
Excellent post. Thank you. woo me with science Aug 2012 #46
Erskine Bowles and Timothy Geithner are two good examples of people who JDPriestly Aug 2012 #106
Can you ProSense Aug 2012 #153
None other than Ezra Klein in the Washington Post. JDPriestly Aug 2012 #222
Third Way = DLC = Not Democrats cantbeserious Aug 2012 #5
That is the simple math of it, yes. But we are supposed to applaud this Republican ideology because Dragonfli Aug 2012 #33
Personally, I Believe The DLC and DLC Members To Be Despicable Sell Outs cantbeserious Aug 2012 #35
So Obama called Romney and got him to pick Ryan, so that when Obama wins, Obama can carry JoePhilly Aug 2012 #6
Yes, that's what I said MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #16
I notice you provided no link to who these 3rd way people were who were thrilled Romney JoePhilly Aug 2012 #17
I never claimed people were thrilled MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #20
You say "they're defending cuts again" ... which THEY Manny? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #22
Sorry, I'm not going to call out DUers. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #26
That is the best you could come up with? Fox News does better. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #29
Are *you* against any cuts to Social Security? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #31
** Crickets ** MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #47
Nice attempt to change the subject from your bullshit OP emulatorloo Aug 2012 #166
So typical: a personal attack rather than arguing the facts MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #172
So typical - projection, distraction and misdirection emulatorloo Aug 2012 #180
What, specifically, have I misrepresented? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #190
You are desperately trying to distract from Ryan and project his budget on to Democrats emulatorloo Aug 2012 #209
And again, a fact-free post with zero examples MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #218
Review your OP. Create Strawman Democrat. Project Ryan Plan onto Strawman Democrat emulatorloo Aug 2012 #244
So how about you? Jakes Progress Aug 2012 #260
You prefer ignorance perhaps, but a quick perusal of the third way site will prove Manny correct Dragonfli Aug 2012 #27
So why not name the people? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #30
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #40
Two of them are named Erskine Bowles and Timothy Geithner JDPriestly Aug 2012 #110
Wow, doesn't twisting like that hurt your back? n/t Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #130
Because third way blue dogs are not Democrats. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #7
Blue Dogs would be bad enough MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #12
I don't think using homophobic slurs are FDR style Democratic values. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #70
Homophobic? MrSlayer Aug 2012 #73
You don't think calling someone a cocksucker is homophobic? Son of Gob Aug 2012 #79
In his defense, I think many use that term without really thinking what it means. sweetloukillbot Aug 2012 #84
Seems like common sense to me Son of Gob Aug 2012 #85
No. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #92
Why do we use "fuck you" as an insult? whathehell Aug 2012 #301
Whatever. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #304
"Whatever"...Yeah, that about sums up the amount of consideration anyone but men, gay or straight whathehell Aug 2012 #305
Alright. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #306
Thanks for ALL your concern, lol. whathehell Aug 2012 #307
Wow. Overreact much? MrSlayer Aug 2012 #321
Wow. Do you? whathehell Aug 2012 #323
Likewise. MrSlayer Aug 2012 #325
I will! whathehell Aug 2012 #326
Oh, and based on your own numbers, we should cut medicare by 5-9%. boppers Aug 2012 #8
No, we should cut the cost of health care MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #10
If you cut the cost, you are cutting Medicare funding. boppers Aug 2012 #13
No, that is inaccurate. Cutting costs without cutting funding is a way to get more benefit from Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #134
Just the opposite, if we followed other countries direction and expanded Medicare to all suffragette Aug 2012 #193
Bingo. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #294
Yes, the solution is contained within the examples of the systems and results suffragette Aug 2012 #327
Watch what you say, Manny. Before long you'll be accused of demanding Democrats march in lock-step! Zalatix Aug 2012 #11
Ask Manny to name the Dems who used the Ryan selection to call for cuts on SS today. JoePhilly Aug 2012 #25
Ask Joe where Manny said that MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #28
Thanks to Romney's Hail Mary pick for his ticket, again we're seeing the Third Way types out in forc spanone Aug 2012 #37
Are you aware that "correlation does not prove causality"? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #39
You said this ... did you not read your own OP???? JoePhilly Aug 2012 #41
i tried spanone Aug 2012 #44
Seems pretty clear to me...nt SidDithers Aug 2012 #58
rec SammyWinstonJack Aug 2012 #14
who are they? spanone Aug 2012 #15
Now would be a good time for reporters to ask all candidates abelenkpe Aug 2012 #19
What reporters? We used to have reporters. Now we have narcissistic stenographers who want their AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #94
You are right of course abelenkpe Aug 2012 #164
Narcissistic stenographers who want their participation to be more important than objective facts. laundry_queen Aug 2012 #295
Wow...the nerve still twinges Hydra Aug 2012 #24
Yup ProSense Aug 2012 #38
Hey Pro: Are *you* against any cuts to Social Security payments? nt MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #54
Hi- Have I seen you somewhere before? Hydra Aug 2012 #57
This one is clearly important to them. woo me with science Aug 2012 #51
Good post... If one needs to be reminded that social security is not the problem that is destroying midnight Aug 2012 #50
It's so early in the election season for 'divide and conquer" but I'm sure seeing it a lot lately.. progressivebydesign Aug 2012 #52
Well, Romney announced his VP choice today... SidDithers Aug 2012 #59
I was just thinking that myself Whisp Aug 2012 #66
If you are a Canadian who is ineligible to vote in American elections, why do you care and why AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #96
And what's your stake in this, as a Canadian, not a Democrat at all? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #135
... SidDithers Aug 2012 #207
Keep trying, Manny... SidDithers Aug 2012 #53
How's your Medicare working out for you? Fuddnik Aug 2012 #71
... SidDithers Aug 2012 #74
Does Canada have Medicare? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #97
... SidDithers Aug 2012 #123
Does that mean that you don't know? AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #124
It is not funny Sid. You are here advocating cuts in a nation that is not your own. Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #137
I'll just say Puglover Aug 2012 #139
I have an internatinonal life, and friends in many, many countries. We all discuss politics Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #142
Thanks for this MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #150
+2000. Yup, right on. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #155
Well said, Bluenorthwest. n/t Laelth Aug 2012 #266
What you said Blue... 2banon Aug 2012 #272
Excellent post. A lot of people would like to see those questions answered. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #286
Well said. woo me with science Aug 2012 #311
Here is a link to the Ontario Ministry of Health and Long-Term Care Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #143
Canada must have Medicare or something better. That's why they are always rolling on the floor Autumn Aug 2012 #149
It's sad but amusing that Whisp Aug 2012 #163
Insurance Finance Reform, Heath care Reform Autumn Aug 2012 #167
Canada did not get the health care we have in only 4 years. Whisp Aug 2012 #176
Reform attempts have gone on longer than 4 years. You might not be aware of that. Autumn Aug 2012 #183
or Whisp Aug 2012 #188
My kind of thinking is more prevalent here in the USA than what you would think. Autumn Aug 2012 #195
what would be your answer to Obama successfully passing a full universal care program you want? Whisp Aug 2012 #200
Why do I think the US is so far behind on this basic human right? Simple, our politicians Autumn Aug 2012 #215
if he let the repuglicans frame everything Whisp Aug 2012 #219
Well they sure loved it and praised it when it was Romeycare. Autumn Aug 2012 #225
there are a lot of people that are realizing that yes, health care has been reformed Whisp Aug 2012 #228
Question here. How are your elections in Canada financed? Autumn Aug 2012 #231
I got a quick link here: Whisp Aug 2012 #232
Wow. Thank you for that link. Autumn Aug 2012 #253
if you are interested please look up Tommy Douglas in Canadian politics Whisp Aug 2012 #280
They don't hate it. They got what they wanted when got the mandate. This plan saved the sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #288
44,000 Americans die each year in the US for lack of HC, including those who have 'Coverage' sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #287
I don't think anyone is laughing about your lack of health care Whisp Aug 2012 #289
No, your friend Sid is highly amused by the frustration of those who would like to stop sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #290
what I think is you should just cool your jets and watch those accusations. Whisp Aug 2012 #293
I'm afraid you don't understand. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #297
"Cool your jets," followed by "I can understand your pain and frustration," woo me with science Aug 2012 #310
No, I'm amused when your arguments descend to "You're Canadian"... SidDithers Aug 2012 #308
Sabrina, woo me with science Aug 2012 #312
Thank you wmws. I didn't really expect it to have any impact at all on certain people, but for those sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #315
I hope so, too. woo me with science Aug 2012 #316
Not Democrats. woo me with science Aug 2012 #55
Most of these people want to retire from the congress NeeDeep Aug 2012 #62
Is it just about retiring from Congress with these folks Ken Burch Aug 2012 #100
100% agree. Jamaal510 Aug 2012 #69
Agree with the agree. nt hay rick Aug 2012 #75
Many have bought into the idea that there will be no Social Security/Medicare when they get old jwirr Aug 2012 #72
That drumbeat has been pounding loudly since Reagan years suffragette Aug 2012 #202
Please tell us what to do about the fact that Medicare has evolved as THE adjunct to for-profit care patrice Aug 2012 #76
Patrice...you are on the right track..the Ontario health Care plan for seniors.is a good basic plan nenagh Aug 2012 #87
This is a hard thing to talk about here, because there are those who put their political patrice Aug 2012 #177
Here's an idea. Require any and every provider to accept Medicare. Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #133
Democrats should be advocating expanding these programs. Yet NONE are. harun Aug 2012 #78
Yes! That's the way to fight back! MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #80
+100000 woo me with science Aug 2012 #101
That would have made a better OP SunSeeker Aug 2012 #154
Maybe they've been snorting Koch with Republicans Jack Rabbit Aug 2012 #81
50th Rec. Just reindex the top up rate a bit. Problem solved. leveymg Aug 2012 #83
Rnablers. Octafish Aug 2012 #99
Enemies with benefits. We became the enemy, displaced them from Wall St,and that drives them crazy. leveymg Aug 2012 #141
I see no significant difference between the Third Way and the GOP. Zorra Aug 2012 #86
Bill Clinton reduced Social Security benefits by signing tax legislation which made 85% of AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #88
Reagan began the taxation of benefits in 1983, following the advice of 'the Greenspan Commission' Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #140
Some say, many say, that the Great Prevaricator reduced taxes. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #313
Bill Clinton is not only "big dog" he's a Big "Blue Dog" whathehell Aug 2012 #302
Good for Rachel. She's always perceptive. AnotherMcIntosh Aug 2012 #314
Right...She's the best and I trust her completely. n/t whathehell Aug 2012 #324
The guy who wants to liquidate Social Security gets the republican nod for VP today bhikkhu Aug 2012 #90
That's what Manny does. Fabricates strawmen Dems, ignores real Republican threats and politicies. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #168
"that people who believe themselves to be Democrats ..." seanpencil Aug 2012 #93
Shh. You're not supposed to remember these things. woo me with science Aug 2012 #103
hahahahahahahahah seanpencil Aug 2012 #111
+1. not only that, but benefits have *already* been cut multiple times subrosa. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #115
great point seanpencil Aug 2012 #185
no, capitalism is a ponzi scheme. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #186
Social security is not an entitlement, it is an annuity that we have paid into. Calling it, still_one Aug 2012 #109
that's why it *is* an entitlement. we paid in & we're entitled to it. it's on the dems that they HiPointDem Aug 2012 #114
I can't add anything here Le Taz Hot Aug 2012 #116
" ... without slashing benefits for future generations" AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #117
Which in the context of the President's other statements eomer Aug 2012 #131
thanks for this Progressive dog Aug 2012 #136
Not conspiracy theories but rather the clear meaning of the President's own words. eomer Aug 2012 #144
Why do you continually push the meme of "conspiracy theory?" Oilwellian Aug 2012 #147
Grand Capitulation? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #151
Thank YOU for the kindle Oilwellian Aug 2012 #161
Thank WOO for the kindle MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #174
so where are the Grand Cuts? Whisp Aug 2012 #208
What President Obama meant is plain, it doesn't require interpretation. eomer Aug 2012 #247
Excellent post, with actual facts MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #257
Met with crickets, indeed. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #282
Facts are to the Third Way MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #285
and what exactly has he done to fulfill your dark fantasies? Whisp Aug 2012 #283
What he has done is exactly what I posted - promoted cutting Social Security benefits. eomer Aug 2012 #298
Excellent post, woo me with science Aug 2012 #284
This message was self-deleted by its author DirkGently Nov 2012 #328
Thank you. But expect to see people denying the President's own words. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #291
You are welcome. And as to why -- AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #198
Briefing room word games: What's a 'slash' versus a 'cut' in Social Security MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #138
Hey, I found ProSense Aug 2012 #145
Are you referring to our president and MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #146
. ProSense Aug 2012 #148
Parse away, Manny, but you #*&^@ better pick a side. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #196
What am I parsing? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #203
Words, Manny. You are parsing words. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #211
I Highly disagree with your link's suggestions MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #221
You're making a prediction, Manny, and a cynical one at that. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #224
Absolutely unreal. woo me with science Aug 2012 #235
you have no clue what you are talking about (see below) AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #237
The chocolate ration has been increased! nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #239
BOO! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #241
You just linked to a right-wing, Third Way rag woo me with science Aug 2012 #234
LOL. Nonsense. Do some research before you yell boo! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #236
Red is green. woo me with science Aug 2012 #238
Your WOO is weak, grasshopper. BOO! AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #240
The chained CPI hurts seniors. woo me with science Aug 2012 #242
You are not the arbiter of defining "real Democrats." AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #243
You don't support the Chained CPI, seriously, say it is not so. This IS DU after all. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #275
You speak as if there is a plan. There is not; that's the point. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #276
Knuckleheads! Nice. sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #277
No, what's insane is brazen support for cutting SS on a Democratic board. nt woo me with science Aug 2012 #318
And he has the President's own words. But they don't count, right? sabrina 1 Aug 2012 #292
Yeah, Manny pick a side - slash or cut? Doctor_J Aug 2012 #249
K&R 17% that still leaves tens of millions of people with no regular access, Egalitarian Thug Aug 2012 #129
They have a small constituency to please: Themselves. WinkyDink Aug 2012 #132
K&R Manny.Great OP. nt riderinthestorm Aug 2012 #157
I like it. ProSense Aug 2012 #158
It's all over the very front page of the Third Way website right now. The front page. Zorra Aug 2012 #201
Third Wayers are not Democrats tavalon Aug 2012 #159
1) You created a Strawman Democrat 2) You attempt to misdirect from Ryan 3) You blame Democrats for emulatorloo Aug 2012 #162
Rep. Conyers: Obama Demanded Social Security Cuts--Not GOP MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #169
, ProSense Aug 2012 #171
Good try "Manny", Keep trolling the Conyers quote despite the fact emulatorloo Aug 2012 #175
My ass seems to be where it started its life, MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #192
You've already been given the link. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #206
I don't see it in this thread. MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #250
I am not your research assistant. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #319
So to be clear: you're accusing me of being a Republican plant? MannyGoldstein Aug 2012 #322
Oh please. woo me with science Aug 2012 #170
Yeah your bullshit coordinates very well with Manny's emulatorloo Aug 2012 #173
I wonder if woo would ever tell us about her job & benefits. It's easy to say burn it all down patrice Aug 2012 #178
Stop spitting, emulatorloo. woo me with science Aug 2012 #179
What's underlying this entire discussion is a desperate attempt to distract from the Ryan Plan emulatorloo Aug 2012 #182
Thank you! For-profit treatment modalities that get the worst results for the highest prices are patrice Aug 2012 #204
Really appreciate your post. emulatorloo Aug 2012 #210
I have seen some elders off. Have also been around a few cancer patients. & Taught high patrice Aug 2012 #216
Exactly Progressive dog Aug 2012 #191
thank you emulatorloo Aug 2012 #212
Conyers owes the president an apology. AtomicKitten Aug 2012 #205
I thought the Dems had majorities and the WH when these were passed Doctor_J Aug 2012 #317
It is incumbent upon all of us who care about Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid to call on Citizen Worker Aug 2012 #165
If anything we should lower the eligibility age for SS TBF Aug 2012 #187
They took the on ramp to the 3rd Way. Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #194
Talking point repetition. 3rd Way could be anything. Bigotry against it is EXCLUSIONARY, tell us patrice Aug 2012 #213
Do you prefer "moderates", "Centrists", "neo liberals"? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #217
Why do you charaterize protecting ground-gained as silencing? Why don't you entertain the hypothesis patrice Aug 2012 #230
BTW, I prefer Neo-Liberals or DLC for what you are referring to, because dialectics CAN be a good patrice Aug 2012 #233
Are you denying that the Democratic Party has moved right and now represents "moderates"? Tierra_y_Libertad Aug 2012 #246
Nothing very anarchic in any of that. All QUITE predictable. A bunch of us are living in deep RED patrice Aug 2012 #254
And they could say the same to you laundry_queen Aug 2012 #296
Allow me to remind anyone who has forgotten the following: savannah43 Aug 2012 #197
K&R I agree 100% airplaneman Aug 2012 #229
Good question -- I've been asking it for years stupidicus Aug 2012 #248
those are our choices these days. Dems who want to cut SS & Medicare, or Doctor_J Aug 2012 #251
The biggest problem with Medicare is the projected increasing costs for chronic diseases like andym Aug 2012 #252
Well that is exactly what this campaign is going to be about.... humbled_opinion Aug 2012 #255
Sometimes dsteve01 Aug 2012 #258
K&R Jamastiene Aug 2012 #259
The DLC was completely successful in shifting the Democratic Party to the right. NorthCarolina Aug 2012 #265
With Medicare, you have to make a distinction between cutting costs and cutting health care. pnwmom Aug 2012 #267
Dismayed that Obama would even introduce Simpson-Bowels.... lib2DaBone Aug 2012 #268
Bravo and Amen! 2banon Aug 2012 #270
Amen Manny! n/t dflprincess Aug 2012 #273
Just A few notes................. Red Crow Aug 2012 #274
Howard Dean: "You Can't Convince People That A Dem Is Going To Cut Medicare" ProSense Aug 2012 #278
Must be talking about the Blue Dogs. . B Calm Aug 2012 #279
dam this is still be commented on.... madrchsod Aug 2012 #281
forget something? like who you are talking about. arely staircase Aug 2012 #309
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