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localroger

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14. I think MM knows vote suppression is a problem
Wed Sep 12, 2018, 08:56 PM
Sep 2018

But I think he also thinks it isn't the biggest problem, because you can only steal an election that's already close. Gerrymandering can look devastating in a close race, but let the "disadvantaged" candidate pull out far enough in the popular vote and it reverses, becoming even more devastating to its perpetrators. If you have an energized electorate and your opponents are dispirited, if your message is strong and theirs is weak and doesn't hold up, if your candidates are strong and theirs are unlikable or obviously corrupt, then vote suppression and gerrymandering become much less of a factor. In fact they become yet another energizing factor to bring out your base, who knows they are in an uphill battle.

The real problem isn't all these factors that can swing an election 5-10%. It's the fact that these evil shitheads manage to get within 5-10% of candidates that aren't evil shitheads in the first place. A lot of that is down to propaganda, and that's the battle Michael Moore is fighting. Gerrymandering only gets you past the gate if you can get 40% in a fair election. And the real problem is that over 40% of our population willingly votes for the evil shitheads almost every time.

it would get in the way of his message JI7 Sep 2018 #1
yeppers. WhiteTara Sep 2018 #18
Remember this.. the Ashley Judd part.. ? Cha Sep 2018 #23
EXACTLY. I was just going to say.. Because.. Cha Sep 2018 #21
Maybe he isn't really trying to help democrats-Sabotaged Gore in 2001 YessirAtsaFact Sep 2018 #2
I can't even watch the idiots on Chris Hayes. we can do it Sep 2018 #3
they were handpicked to make a specific argument qazplm135 Sep 2018 #4
I hope you are right. we can do it Sep 2018 #8
Right, they must be "inspired" Zambero Sep 2018 #11
I'm watching him right now on Chris Hayes. He did. nolabear Sep 2018 #5
I don't listen to him anymore manor321 Sep 2018 #6
Disagree, this whole thing on Chris Hayes is ridiculous. Agschmid Sep 2018 #7
WAtched that all of about two minutes and it was what prompted me to do this post. Arrgh. Amaryllis Sep 2018 #10
As far as Prez, we just didn't vote for our candidate like we should have. Hoyt Sep 2018 #9
He did predict that, and as I said, everythign he says is true, AND he ignores issues with Amaryllis Sep 2018 #12
All discussions of how rethugs "won" in 2016 should begin with election fraud. I have heard so many diva77 Sep 2018 #13
My thoughts exactly. The literal and figurative elephant in the room! If one considers the GOP a Amaryllis Sep 2018 #15
I think MM knows vote suppression is a problem localroger Sep 2018 #14
2018 wasn't close. Trump only "won" the electoral vote by less than 100,000 votes and lost the Amaryllis Sep 2018 #16
In a country of 350,000,000 people 3 million is close. localroger Sep 2018 #17
The 3 million figure doesn't account for the people thrown off the voter rolls due to caging, diva77 Sep 2018 #19
All those things you mention localroger Sep 2018 #28
Not getting your point... SharonClark Sep 2018 #20
It's not rocket science localroger Sep 2018 #27
Greg Palast lays out the numbers and explains how the 2016 election was stolen diva77 Sep 2018 #25
There are always seemingly damning anecdata localroger Sep 2018 #29
Once I got to be on CNN! (Once.) It was the day of the Women's March. It was so huge! And Moore.. Cha Sep 2018 #22
K&R... spanone Sep 2018 #24
Let's face it all american girl Sep 2018 #26
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