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In reply to the discussion: Sanders-backed DNC plan sparks superdelegate revolt [View all]Sophia4
(3,515 posts)231. It is lazy to want a superdelegate say in the outcome of the nomination process.
The average campaign volunteer and the average voter in an election, should decide the outcome of the election. Maybe we would win more elections if we ended the status of superdelegates. At worst they cause unelectable candidates to be nominated. At best, they just make the process look undemocratic.
None of these people need to have superdelegate status.
Yes. It is lazy to expect to have more say in the outcome of an election than the next person, that is if you believe in democracy.
None of the people you name need or deserve to have an extra vote in a primary or convention election. Not a one of them.
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It's one person one vote, regardless of race, ethnicity, national origin, gender
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#7
Super Delegates did nothing wrong...the oh the email voters didn't vote for the Democratic nominee..
Demsrule86
Jul 2018
#16
No matter. If the appearance of something shady is there, voters who are sad or
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#92
You need to back off as you're coming off horribly. Black folks are lazy? Really?
brush
Aug 2018
#234
I'm in California. Superdelegates are not necessarily Black. In fact, most of them
Sophia4
Aug 2018
#236
I'm guessing this month-old thread was resurrected because the CBC is against any changes.
George II
Aug 2018
#260
I know of four who will be attending the meeting, none are members of the CBC, who are against it.
George II
Aug 2018
#281
It is lazy to want a superdelegate say in the outcome of the nomination process.
Sophia4
Aug 2018
#231
The ATTACK of supers and Nancy Pelosi is an orchestrated KGB operation
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2018
#245
Does that "bunch of lazy folks who want to intervene in democratic elections"
lapucelle
Aug 2018
#246
And even that year (assuming you're talking about 1984?) it wasn't truly shady, it just....
George II
Aug 2018
#261
They comprise about 15% of the available delegates and are there to over rule the will of the ...
CentralMass
Aug 2018
#327
Again you are wrong as to everything as to how delegates are elected in the real world
Gothmog
Jul 2018
#71
Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#265
That is the reality, while some want to push the false assertion that is what happened in 2016, and
still_one
Jul 2018
#12
So you want to reduce the number of delegates from states with elected Democrats?
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#280
What are you talking about? Which election has been affected by superdelegates?
lunamagica
Jul 2018
#10
Sanders supporters feelings were hurt because super delegates refuse to support sanders
Gothmog
Jul 2018
#151
CAUSUSES give all voters the impression the Democratic party is not big on democracy.
pnwmom
Jul 2018
#45
And? Some of us had no idea how they worked. They blow. Taht doesn't make me a fan of
JCanete
Jul 2018
#131
Well, they've been around for a long time. So, why the contrived outrage starting in 2016?
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#133
again, not contrived.. I had no idea the shit worked that way and it pisses me off. Why doesn't it
JCanete
Jul 2018
#134
But many others have known about superdelegates and their purpose. They aren't remotely new.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#136
well what the hell would be the point of voting then, if somebody else was going to decide for us
JCanete
Jul 2018
#147
viewed by who as unelectable? Surely not the electorate, since their votes..."would have" spoken.
JCanete
Jul 2018
#164
a circumstance that makes each vote roughly equivalent to 10,000 regular votes. What exactly happens
JCanete
Jul 2018
#187
There are 4763 delegates (4051 pledged) sent to the convention. One must reach 2382...
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#192
first, define "only in extreme circumstances". If the electorate votes one way, then clearly
JCanete
Jul 2018
#198
Such as damaging news coming to light late in the primary season or after the last primary.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#199
then you weren't paying attention to the news and the way the race was being reported, particularly
JCanete
Jul 2018
#201
I paid attention, but we clearly have a different take on the reporting. Regardless...
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#202
people don't so often just go and vote for the loser...the person they think is already out of the
JCanete
Jul 2018
#204
Should get rid of it. Repubs don't have it, and they vote more reliably (won't miss an opportunity
Meadowoak
Aug 2018
#278
If what you say is true, and it is, then we have nothing to fear if we end the superdelegate
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#100
I am a real lifelong Democrat. I have probably worked in more campaigns than most
Sophia4
Aug 2018
#289
You refused to support the nominee of the party and so I do not think that you are a real democrat
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#290
You are dead wrong. Super delegate are the off switch that prevents a democratic Trump.
Blue_true
Jul 2018
#165
The Democrats are a POLITICAL PARTY. The SCOTUS has ruled that political parties
stopbush
Jul 2018
#121
I tell you what I find ironic. You are against SD, but you are all for Open Primaries, which perhaps
still_one
Jul 2018
#83
I don't care how many people you registered. If people want to decide who will be the DEMORATIC
still_one
Jul 2018
#90
I disagree with you. I think there has to be a way to encourage people to register
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#95
I am in Northern Califronia, and the jungle primary is insane. We were just damn lucky that we
still_one
Jul 2018
#102
Yes I have, multiple elections, multiple times going door to door. Also extensive phone banking
still_one
Jul 2018
#114
Yes you can. You make the field of PARTY PREFERENCE HIDDEN. If you are looking to canvass just
still_one
Jul 2018
#120
It makes it easy, perhaps, for unscrupulous people to persuade gullible people...
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#129
Nope, it's not the point. You can't live your life based on other people's warped sense of reality.
stevenleser
Jul 2018
#173
If you want to win elections, you have to consider how people see you, how they
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#179
Nope, you don't consider lunatics in your strategy. Focus on sane people. nt
stevenleser
Jul 2018
#188
Generally speaking, I think the media made the distinction clear. And the media loves a horse race.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#156
We should strive for the reality AND appearance of utmost fairness and honesty.
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#163
It prevents food fights in close elections...and I want it to stay...called the DNC and said so.
Demsrule86
Jul 2018
#11
Superdelegates give to voters who lose the impression that the election or nomination
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#18
If voters have the "impression" that the process is unfair, "rigged," then they
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#111
People have all kinds of impressions. We can't be responsible for them.Some people believe in ghosts
stevenleser
Jul 2018
#172
Spot on, especially this: "if they make no difference really in the end, why have them?"
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jul 2018
#59
Why have auto insurance if you're a good driver or health insurance if you're healthy?
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#177
Why have them? They're an insurance policy. Like having health insurance even if you're healthy.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#88
We are supposed to accept the opinions of non-democrats as to how the party should be managed
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#295
You have no evidence of that either way since super delegates have never affected
stevenleser
Jul 2018
#47
We do need a mechanism to deal with deadlocks, but superdelegates are not what
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#107
So members of the Congressional Black Caucus are lazy, corrupt and party hacks
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#267
and OPEN PRIMARIES SHOULD BE CLOSED TO THOSE WHO ARE NOT REGISTERED DEMOCRATS
still_one
Jul 2018
#15
There should be a way for certain independents and third-party registered voters to
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#19
Why should a non-Democrat choose the Democratic nominee? No it ISN'T complicated. Those who do NOT
still_one
Jul 2018
#24
As I pointed out, some people may, for professional reasons for example, need to
Sophia4
Jul 2018
#27
Actually if you perceive that as a problem, that solution is very simple, just change the rules so
still_one
Jul 2018
#36
Absolutely. They want to get rid of SD, fine, but the day the Democratic party opens up the primary
still_one
Jul 2018
#84
Caucuses are the only reason the 2016 primary was even remotely close, so I doubt it.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#53
the democratic party should not aim to please republicans and other non party members nt
msongs
Jul 2018
#34
They'll still be able to endorse whoever they want. And vote. Just not on the first ballot.
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#54
There should not be a mechanism to allow a select few to change the will of the electorate in an
CentralMass
Aug 2018
#338
Additional new DNC Rule-Presidential candidates must publicly affirm that they are a Democrat
Gothmog
Jul 2018
#76
Oh, FFS! Superdelegates make sure grassroot members of the party gets *more* say, not less!
KitSileya
Jul 2018
#80
uh...why is it idiotic? Because some people's votes should cancel out 1000's? How weird that
JCanete
Jul 2018
#130
Historically superdelegates have wielded zero power - they have never determined....
George II
Aug 2018
#257
Then first, why do we need them if they wield 0 power, and second, I'm not convinced
JCanete
Aug 2018
#270
The CBC are leaders of a key demographic groups which votes for real democrats
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#294
They have a seat at the table. You are talking about something entirely different than a
JCanete
Aug 2018
#297
don't pretend its about the right to vote. Every superdelegate has the right to vote, like every
JCanete
Aug 2018
#301
The proposal is to strip members of the CBC and other super delegates of their vote
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#302
Again magic does not exist and sanders was not viable without the aide of magic
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#304
"I know you were there and I wasn't, but let me explain what really happened..."
lapucelle
Aug 2018
#305
What? We aren't talking about who was somehwere and who wasn't. wow. We're talking about
JCanete
Aug 2018
#319
I do not believe in magic and without a magical voter revolution sanders was not viable
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#324
Since you are NOT full of shit, and since that ATTACK is visible I want to make sure I say over and
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2018
#307
No one knows in advance what "Supers would or would not do." We certainly know....
George II
Aug 2018
#317
I agree that it is dumb to adopt this rule just to make sanders and his supporters happy
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#341
I still don't think we should have superdelegates. No one's vote should have the power to negate
Vinca
Jul 2018
#170
If I vote for the person running against the person you voted for, am I negating your vote?
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#174
You may if you're a superdelegate. It depends on the final numbers in the primary.
Vinca
Jul 2018
#175
There are 4763 delegates (4051 pledged) sent to the convention. One must reach 2382...
Garrett78
Jul 2018
#176
more likely that was justification to stay in the race when so much noise was being made to get
JCanete
Jul 2018
#190
I've explained my issues with Superdelagates in the past, one of which major issue is how they are
JCanete
Jul 2018
#218
The whole Sanders run was based upon moving the party to the left, which, if you look at the
JCanete
Jul 2018
#220
Sanders platform was based on unrealistic assumptions about a so-called revolution
Gothmog
Jul 2018
#221
Rep. Cedric Richmond, the Congressional Black Caucus chair, blasts proposed superdelegate changes
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#223
I was a delegate to the national convention and was at the Texas breakfast where we had a revolt
Gothmog
Jul 2018
#210
You do understand that the proposed rule deprives superdelegates of the right to vote?
Gothmog
Aug 2018
#258
GRU and GOP have done an amazing job getting Democrats to go against their own party
Eliot Rosewater
Aug 2018
#332