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mr_lebowski

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65. MOE and Confidence Interval are largely the same thing ...
Fri Aug 10, 2018, 11:57 AM
Aug 2018

If your 'result' arrives at 50%, with plus or minus 3% MOE, that is another way of saying we have 47 - 53% confidence interval. All groups of stats, if large enough, have an average & a standard deviation, which means a confidence interval can be calculated.

One important component of both MOE and CI (and one that's typically left unstated, except maybe in the fine print) when polling results are released is the confidence LEVEL, which is typically either 90%, 95%, or 99% ... importantly, it's never stated as 100%. 95% is pretty standard so if you're not told explicitly it's NOT 95%, that's probably what is being used.

Basically the higher the confidence level, the larger the confidence interval (and MOE) have to be. So using the numbers I gave above you might see:
Using a 90% Confidence Level ... the result is 50% plus or minus 1.7% MOE (or 48.3 - 51.7% CI)
Using 95% ... the result is 50% plus or minus 3% MOE (or 47 - 53% CI)
Using 99% ... the result is 50% plus or minus 5% MOE (or 45 - 55% CI)

To put it in more plain words: "Given the results of our sampling, we can state with 99% certainty that the true value for the entire population is between 45% and 55%".

But...but...he's done more for black people than any other president! Trump tee-vee sez so! muntrv Aug 2018 #1
It's a small sample but it's still good for a lolz. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #3
In Michigan DownriverDem Aug 2018 #25
I highly doubt he'll pull black votes in the "D". Crowman2009 Aug 2018 #41
I can't believe that even 3% support him. Are the nuts? Repubs don't even want them to vote. olegramps Aug 2018 #28
Ben Carson, Diamond and Silk, Fox hosts, Kayne,....there are indeed 3% who are braindead, Fred Sanders Aug 2018 #29
I'm sure they make good money. Cary Aug 2018 #44
There's always at least a small portion who represent exceptions to the rule. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #56
I'd dearly like to know why Kanye has not (seemingly) faced backlash? hlthe2b Aug 2018 #2
He's just like Trump jcgoldie Aug 2018 #18
Kanye West was just on Jimmy Kimmel. He showed again what a megalomaniac... brush Aug 2018 #31
With a margin of error at +/- 3% docgee Aug 2018 #4
That's for the whole poll. On a sub sample it's probably around 10% DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #7
Well, it can't be -3%. LisaL Aug 2018 #8
sure it can qazplm135 Aug 2018 #13
Bar-ump-pump. Rimshot. You win the internet today. brush Aug 2018 #42
Com'on what ya got to lose?... nt N_E_1 for Tennis Aug 2018 #5
Plummeted from what, 3.5%? LisaL Aug 2018 #6
I have seen it as high as 15 or 16 DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #9
That high, huh? Cirque du So-What Aug 2018 #10
are you sure it is not 3? 3 percent seems high. DrDan Aug 2018 #11
Indeed! mountain grammy Aug 2018 #37
Plus or minus 3%. Its actually zip%. marble falls Aug 2018 #63
Those guys at his rallies with the "blacks for trump" signs? Funtatlaguy Aug 2018 #12
The "Blacks for Trump" nonsense Eyeball_Kid Aug 2018 #24
He is located right near Sunny Isles Beach. Tommy_Carcetti Aug 2018 #39
Why has there been no national coverage of this? Funtatlaguy Aug 2018 #68
The guy runs some sort of cult. Literally like even before Trump SweetieD Aug 2018 #32
Yeah, they always put them right behind trump on the podium so the cameras pick them up. brush Aug 2018 #43
Rev. Darrell Scott believes Trump is the second coming of Abe Lincoln. oasis Aug 2018 #14
Remember that not all evangelicals are white luvtheGWN Aug 2018 #35
The overwhelming majority of black evangelicals lean democratic..... spicysista Aug 2018 #51
When I used the term "plenty", I was only suggesting luvtheGWN Aug 2018 #61
You are right! spicysista Aug 2018 #64
When the "Good Reverend" Scott said Trump was the best president oasis Aug 2018 #72
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #15
You Gov. It is a B rated poll at 538. The Margin Of Error is 3% . DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #16
3% with +/- 3% error means it could be as low as zero percent. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #19
The 3% is for the entire poll. For a subsample it's likely around 10% DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #21
MOE and Confidence Interval are largely the same thing ... mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #65
The thing is you can never have a "truly" random sample with an online survey. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #66
Oh absolutely! Proper randomization is absolutely essential to statistical mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #67
So many polls nowadays are done on the net and some perform quite well DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #69
Probably because steps are taken in conducting them to get something approaching mr_lebowski Aug 2018 #70
I did post grad work in Poli Sci and worked with statistics a lot. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2018 #71
I enountered one yesterday while canvassing dragonlady Aug 2018 #17
Cue the right wing explanation: "They just don't understand who really has their best interests ehrnst Aug 2018 #20
And those 3% are unconscious. n/t malthaussen Aug 2018 #22
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #23
But, But Jimbo S Aug 2018 #26
As if black people are just too stupid to understand where their own best interests lie. Older Than I Look Aug 2018 #58
It doesn't matter if they don't come out to vote HopeAgain Aug 2018 #27
How is it that high? RedSpartan Aug 2018 #30
Who are the 3% I wonder...................... The Liberal Lion Aug 2018 #33
who are these 3 people :) uponit7771 Aug 2018 #34
Reeeaaally? spicysista Aug 2018 #36
This is a badge of honor Soxfan58 Aug 2018 #38
Black trDump zombies are out there defending this Fascist racist trDump... magicarpet Aug 2018 #40
Filibustering is a great technique when you have no substantive argument. liberalnarb Aug 2018 #59
I guess that's what Candace Owens is talking about when she says his support doubled Renew Deal Aug 2018 #45
One of his lackeys claimed Dotard's AA support has mcar Aug 2018 #46
How in the world polmaven Aug 2018 #47
LOL. How can we possibly be surprised at that? PatrickforO Aug 2018 #48
Hasn't it always been very low? gristy Aug 2018 #49
Approval in the Northeast is 40% infinite_wisdom Aug 2018 #50
And 3% of Democrats strongly approve of Trump. Kablooie Aug 2018 #52
k&r DesertRat Aug 2018 #53
I'm surprised it's that high. calimary Aug 2018 #54
we needs the hispanic community to have same levels too and VOTE as their LIVES beachbum bob Aug 2018 #55
That 3% will include those from the Ben Carson school of "I'm better Doodley Aug 2018 #57
WTF is wrong with the 3%? liberalnarb Aug 2018 #60
Approval and voting go hand in hand SayItLoud Aug 2018 #62
kick Demovictory9 Aug 2018 #73
Look at this video of Trump mtg w/ all AAs; the prayer for him. Grasswire2 Aug 2018 #74
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