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Union Scribe

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91. so what's the limit? 10?

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 11:43 AM

Aug 2012

I'm okay with limiting magazine capacity, generally. In rifles it might help, like in Aurora with drum magazines. But let's not kid ourselves that it's going to stop killers with handguns. Given that it takes about two seconds tops to change magazines, and the old AWB vs. "high capacity" mags only differed by about five rounds, it would have only a marginal affect on someone using a handgun.

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Handgun type used on Sikhs is mass shooting weapon of choice [View all] onehandle Aug 2012 OP

So Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #1

Well lookie there... 99Forever Aug 2012 #13

Simply making an obvious point Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #50

never fails. barbtries Aug 2012 #101

Cool straw man, bro. rDigital Aug 2012 #158

Get back to me... 99Forever Aug 2012 #159

You dodge rDigital Aug 2012 #164

really? bayareaboy Aug 2012 #15

Well Reasonable_Argument Aug 2012 #49

And less than a second for a magazine. Or just barely time... TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #103

Good luck on that 20 foot charge. NutmegYankee Aug 2012 #132

Because a Derringer has SO MUCH stopping power. Bake Aug 2012 #138

or a metal framed 7 shot 1911. ileus Aug 2012 #55

ok, now what? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #2

high capacity magazines. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #6

What should the max number of rounds in the least time be allowable? (ie: bullets per second) OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #8

Maybe if the magazines were regulated... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #19

But what's the basis or cut-off point for such legislation? Where is the "line in the sand"? OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #24

+20 Rounds Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #37

Leaving only Virginia Tech style shootings 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #100

for pistols it would be pretty easy; no clips that extend below the grip. dionysus Aug 2012 #73

Mine doesn't and is 12+1 obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #78

Glock 17 holds 17 + 1, also 9mm. Sirveri Aug 2012 #196

So if I own a CZ75B that takes a 12 round MAGAZINE Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #124

If you can't make yourself safe with the first 2 shots, 12 more won't help. TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #108

So basically... every revolver made for the past 200 years has "too many bullets" OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #113

Only if you're the sort of yahoo who ignores advice... TheMadMonk Aug 2012 #144

Modern revolvers are quite safe with "one under the hammer". n/t PavePusher Aug 2012 #150

Modern double action revolvers have drop safeties.. MicaelS Aug 2012 #163

a lot of people forget sweetapogee Aug 2012 #128

80 cents a round? You need to find a better place to buy ammo. Travis_0004 Aug 2012 #157

Wolf is about 25 cents a round right now. PMC bronze 30 cents : ). NT rDigital Aug 2012 #160

there is no point to this discussion unless you are agreeing Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #22

Correct. So what is the determination of "reasonable" OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #26

When Warren Stupidity says reasonable, he really means sensible slackmaster Aug 2012 #29

I mean there can be no discussion of the details if the idea itself is not accepted as Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #59

I would draw the line at 20 rounds hack89 Aug 2012 #62

I think it is high, but it would be a start. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #65

You want to registers hundreds of millions of magazines? Have you considered the cost? hack89 Aug 2012 #74

You register magazine owners and they are responsible for every out of spec magazine they own. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #86

Don't you think regulations have to be grounded in some kind of reality? hack89 Aug 2012 #90

yes they have to be effective. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #96

Registration would never pass Constitutional muster hack89 Aug 2012 #102

we spend 10 billion on fuck all every year. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #105

This will work hack89 Aug 2012 #106

Wow. Marinedem Aug 2012 #121

+ one brazillion (n/t) derby378 Aug 2012 #141

Bravo rDigital Aug 2012 #161

I am OK With That Macoy51 Aug 2012 #197

Just remember you have never been safer. Next year you will be even safer. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #107

I'd place a ban on any handgun mag that extends past the bottom of the grip. Kaleva Aug 2012 #81

sounds reasonable to me. The ban would also have forestall manufactures introducing new Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #87

I think there's a natural limit to how much capacity a "standard" handgun magazine can be. Kaleva Aug 2012 #89

Springfield XDm 9mm holds 19+1 rounds... CZ-75 TS 9mm holds 20+1 OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #116

Actually, the standard is generally 8 rounds for current 1911's... PavePusher Aug 2012 #151

Ah. Things have changed since I was in the Navy. Kaleva Aug 2012 #154

Kel-Tec PMR-30 has 30 round mags rDigital Aug 2012 #162

Firing the .22 WMR, I think its uses are limited even with a 30 round magazine. Kaleva Aug 2012 #168

It really doesn't work that way, in any area of regulation (set guns petronius Aug 2012 #156

so you have not agreed that a reasonable limit on capacity is a good idea. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #57

If the limit is logical and reasonable then yes, a capacity limit may be a good idea. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #99

even if it's not? NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #122

So, let's say you ban extended magazines Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #66

yes it is best to do nothing because doing something might not solve the problem. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #69

I'd rather do nothing than something that has already been proven not to work NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #72

Agree, completely. rDigital Aug 2012 #165

so what's the limit? 10? Union Scribe Aug 2012 #91

OK I'll accept a bid of 10 too. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #97

They really want to ban ownership of all firearms, except those used by government employees slackmaster Aug 2012 #28

Hooray... 99Forever Aug 2012 #34

You seem familiar. Why don't you tell us what your real goal is, if I'm wrong? slackmaster Aug 2012 #39

Who is ... 99Forever Aug 2012 #43

Everyone who reads the thread. slackmaster Aug 2012 #44

Your friends over at the NRA... 99Forever Aug 2012 #53

So you speak for "Everyone who reads the thread" now? 99Forever Aug 2012 #56

I'd certainly like to hear your plan NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #68

You go first. 99Forever Aug 2012 #76

My plan Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #104

Sorry.. 99Forever Aug 2012 #136

what's your plan? Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #148

Well pal.. 99Forever Aug 2012 #155

You've never read anything from the NRA have you? aikoaiko Aug 2012 #189

You've never read anything, have you? 99Forever Aug 2012 #190

Try to take away existing firearms? Invites a blood bath. No. Ban resale of semiautos and clips. leveymg Aug 2012 #70

The collectors could register as collectors and continue to trade with other collectors. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #98

People have hunted game of all types with semi-auto rifles for about a century. PavePusher Aug 2012 #152

Du rec. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #3

US declares war on US as top killer of Americans revealed to be ‘Americans’ dipsydoodle Aug 2012 #4

The NRA. Homegrown Terrorists. rgbecker Aug 2012 #14

Have I seen you on another forum before? slackmaster Aug 2012 #30

I thougt the Arizona and Aurora shooting used Glocks, not Springfields. ?? OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #5

Colorado and Arizona used Glocks. krispos42 Aug 2012 #21

I believe the criticism in the OP is of semi-automatic handguns in general. Chan790 Aug 2012 #67

Could ban them in public. That is not as extreme as allowing people to walk around in parks, etc. Hoyt Aug 2012 #77

I never thought about that before, but I could actually support a ban on handguns. ieoeja Aug 2012 #82

Yeah, and 4-wheel drive vehicles are the most common choice of people buying SUVs too 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #7

I disagree with the "all shooters are sociopaths" part.. Fumesucker Aug 2012 #10

You are correct, I over-stated that part of the case, let us say 'many' instead of "all". 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #11

So let us know.. 99Forever Aug 2012 #16

Or maybe the psychopath took a cab, so should we outlaw cabs? 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #25

You didn't answer the question. 99Forever Aug 2012 #32

There was no relevant question to be answered 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #109

There certainly was. 99Forever Aug 2012 #133

I wish I could really tell you what you are. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #93

Sure you can, go ahead and say it 1-Old-Man Aug 2012 #111

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Cars are not meant to kill. They are meant to transport people. TwilightGardener Aug 2012 #48

Yet more people are rDigital Aug 2012 #166

Do you really think that? Zoeisright Aug 2012 #92

My guns have never killed anything. PavePusher Aug 2012 #153

Surprise! "Mass-shooting weapon of choice" is... a gun. sofa king Aug 2012 #9

Semiautomatic is nothing special justanidea Aug 2012 #12

I had a .22 semi-auto rifle as a kid... Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #18

I started using semiautomatic rifles decades ago because of an eye problem slackmaster Aug 2012 #31

Yes most of them are ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #20

When did most 9mm semi autos only hold 7 rounds? justanidea Aug 2012 #60

I have never seen a 9mm only hold seven rounds obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #80

sorry folks ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #112

I don't know what "spray and pray" is supposed to be obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #115

You know what spray and pray is ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #146

If 8 was enough why was the M-59 so popular with police? nt hack89 Aug 2012 #123

Possibly because it was the next 9mm ... bayareaboy Aug 2012 #145

Or because it held more rounds. hack89 Aug 2012 #147

The 9mm is the handgun of choice for a lot of people Jeff In Milwaukee Aug 2012 #17

Largely because the ammunition is cheap. n/t lumberjack_jeff Aug 2012 #58

It is the most inxepensive defensive round obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #83

It's also the non-mass-shooting weapon of choice. krispos42 Aug 2012 #23

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #27

The Aurora shooter used an Austrian made Glock .40 caliber. The OP is in error. nt Romulox Aug 2012 #35

Did he? 99Forever Aug 2012 #36

You certainly are confused with respect to what really matters slackmaster Aug 2012 #38

But the Gun Cult keeps... 99Forever Aug 2012 #40

Your use of terms like "Gun Cult" and "you fellas" gives your agenda away slackmaster Aug 2012 #42

You keep avoiding the question. 99Forever Aug 2012 #45

You haven't asked me a question. I have only one posting handle on DU. slackmaster Aug 2012 #46

Golly... 99Forever Aug 2012 #51

slackmaster got locked out of this thread for a truly atrocious post. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #61

I agree that one was over the top NT Trunk Monkey Aug 2012 #71

Color me... 99Forever Aug 2012 #79

The U.S. had a ban on certain types of semi-automatic weapons until 2004 yardwork Aug 2012 #41

The AWB didn't actually ban any firearms though NickB79 Aug 2012 #75

Not really Kaleva Aug 2012 #84

It seems to me that the real issue about gun control panader0 Aug 2012 #47

poly pistols aren't the problem. ileus Aug 2012 #52

That's a good one to start with when we start banning them... Comrade_McKenzie Aug 2012 #54

You appear to have an active fantasy life. hack89 Aug 2012 #63

Ahh, Josh Sugarmann reliving his old role as head of Handgun Control Inc. X_Digger Aug 2012 #64

And you've done ... what ... about this problem? Zoeisright Aug 2012 #94

And yet crime (including crimes with guns) continues to drop.. X_Digger Aug 2012 #95

And yet... bongbong Aug 2012 #127

Had I said that, you'd be right. X_Digger Aug 2012 #129

Good bongbong Aug 2012 #135

So we agree that the 'more guns = more crime' canard is bullshit? X_Digger Aug 2012 #140

Canards bongbong Aug 2012 #169

No correlation means no correlation. X_Digger Aug 2012 #173

Cake bongbong Aug 2012 #177

It disproves your supposed correlation, so I understand why you avoid it. X_Digger Aug 2012 #181

Wow bongbong Aug 2012 #184

All we can say is that more guns did not create more gun violence. hack89 Aug 2012 #131

Still a lie bongbong Aug 2012 #134

No correlation means no correlation. Or are you recanting, now? n/t X_Digger Aug 2012 #142

So let's see your evidence. hack89 Aug 2012 #143

HIlarous bongbong Aug 2012 #170

No - I have never said guns make me safer. hack89 Aug 2012 #171

ask bongbong Aug 2012 #172

Perhaps you need a dictionary.. X_Digger Aug 2012 #174

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #180

Keep tap-dancing. X_Digger Aug 2012 #182

Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #183

There is no correlation means it works both ways. That's what you don't get. n/t X_Digger Aug 2012 #187

Show me bongbong Aug 2012 #194

"cause lotsa murders" -- and yet you said there was no correlation?!? LOL!! X_Digger Aug 2012 #195

Of course it is. hack89 Aug 2012 #175

Dense, dense, dense. bongbong Aug 2012 #178

Now you are making a claim - feel free to prove it. "Might've" is not proof. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #179

Slow & Dense bongbong Aug 2012 #185

But you agree that it is impossible to show that guns hack89 Aug 2012 #186

Violence Policy Center as a resource? Remmah2 Aug 2012 #85

Some really industrious NRA PR staffer is probably wondering LanternWaste Aug 2012 #88

I was curious what this Springfield 9mm semiautomatic handgun looked like.. AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #110

That's the compact model the XD Equate Aug 2012 #114

Lot's of people think the XD's are ugly ileus Aug 2012 #119

Boo on the grip safety. nt rDigital Aug 2012 #167

Wow the defenders of teh gunns has descended on here like flies to poop DainBramaged Aug 2012 #117

Solidarity, my freind... solidarity. OneTenthofOnePercent Aug 2012 #118

Whatever floats your magazine.... DainBramaged Aug 2012 #149

The quick-draw and dodge is the experts answer to the approaching bullet. onehandle Aug 2012 #120

I'm glad to see that even you recognize the OP as "poop" aikoaiko Aug 2012 #188

"...said Josh Sugarmann... " Cha-ching. rrneck Aug 2012 #125

Why is it a 'Jesus gun?' RZM Aug 2012 #126

Read it as 'ultimate.' onehandle Aug 2012 #130

I have the solution! Glassunion Aug 2012 #137

And in other news... Glassunion Aug 2012 #139

There is nothing wrong with guns darkangel218 Aug 2012 #176

Wow. Now that is a great example of anti-gun fear mongering aikoaiko Aug 2012 #191

Ignore the gun psychos, onehandle. aikoaiko Aug 2012 #192

I am onehandle ... I mean Spartacus. nt hack89 Aug 2012 #193