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treestar

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171. How can it be sped up?

Mon Jul 9, 2018, 05:08 PM

Jul 2018

Once people learn the language, they can assimilate.

Immigrants to the US would still continue to cook their foods, even open restaurants for others to share that, they might maintain cultural things like music and dancing, and those affect the culture already there, and that is hardly a problem.

I would not expect Muslims to stop being Muslims because they immigrated to a Western country. They cannot have anything our law contraindicates, such as plural marriage, or FGM if that applies. Nothing says they can continue such practices and their assimilation involves obeying our laws. If they don't, they can be prosecuted.

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In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant 'Ghettos' [View all] ehrnst Jul 2018 OP

This shocked me. CozyMystery Jul 2018 #1

Shocking and Denmark is often touted as such a great place to live. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #2

Yup. Denmark is off my list of places to move to. CozyMystery Jul 2018 #3

Mine too...Sweden is also very racist I have heard...and France has Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #9

France does not have Ghettos for Muslims. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #34

Muslims live in ghettos and face discrimination in France. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #45

Do not disagree with your points GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #55

I don't think we are 'more' racist with Europe ...in fact my idea that Europe and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #143

Economic progressiveness GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #151

It seems to me that I am right in believing that without social justice economic progressiveness Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #156

It can work for some. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #159

Just stepping in to thank you JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #176

Why thank you. How nice. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #177

Sweden also has very repressive drug laws. cannabis_flower Jul 2018 #104

Shocking...and to think all the liberals like me who think Sweden is Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #144

It's a world-wide problem. zanana1 Jul 2018 #181

If you are at home in a small, overwhelmingly white population ehrnst Jul 2018 #5

Imagine forcing Muslim kids to celebrate Easter and Christmas. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #7

But we're told that once economic issues are solved, that the other issues will ehrnst Jul 2018 #10

Isn't that the truth...and clearly it is completely wrong. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #13

+1 brer cat Jul 2018 #20

Surprising to me too. Denmark used to be the most tolerant country in the world. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #22

The right taking advantage of Bush's shit show in Iraq uponit7771 Jul 2018 #4

The right is given a very eager ear among the comfortable white population there. ehrnst Jul 2018 #6

not really, this has been an issue in some euro countries for years JI7 Jul 2018 #8

These are Democratic Socialist in Denmark right? Just goes to show that economics does not Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #11

+1, will be great example of it uponit7771 Jul 2018 #31

These countries that think this is the solution are to blame. It won't work. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #12

You nailed it malaise Jul 2018 #14

25 hours a week at age 1 mandatory for the baby be away from home ? lunasun Jul 2018 #15

Unfortunately some candidates concern themselves more with economics than human rights. George II Jul 2018 #18

I hate candidates like that! Hate em... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #19

No kidding dalton99a Jul 2018 #23

This is a horrible...a one years old baby taken from their parents by force. This is Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #56

and why wasn't age 5, or whenever you start school treestar Jul 2018 #178

It is about punishing the parents...poor immigrant...whom they don't like. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #180

Language education is iffy but I can see it, the rest is crazy Amishman Jul 2018 #16

Equality of the genders lostnfound Jul 2018 #26

That is a matter of law, and human rights. Forcing someone to observe Christmas ehrnst Jul 2018 #28

Agreed. I was merely stating two additional concepts that I think WOULD be defensible lostnfound Jul 2018 #30

it's not AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #40

Natural assimilation has failed because of racism...where jobs are not to be had in Europe and the Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #52

and how do you eradicate racism, as if it was so simple AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #57

You don't have racist policies that prevent assimilation and then blame the victims of such Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #64

Punishing the victims of racism doesn't seen like a good idea...horrible in fact. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #75

"We have to give a chance to forced assimilation because they need it to become danish citizens." ehrnst Jul 2018 #101

they don't teach christianity, they teach language and history AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #110

You think Christmas and Easter are not Christianity? ehrnst Jul 2018 #112

So second generation immigrants are not yet citizens? There is something wrong with Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #108

What is a second generation immigrant? Mariana Jul 2018 #132

They are still defined as immigrants and subject to this law...it is in the article. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #145

"I fully sympathize with this tiny little country that is fighting to preserve its highly civilized ehrnst Jul 2018 #111

I find this quote sickening... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #147

Scandinavian countries for the most part have an undercurrent of "racism".... George II Jul 2018 #17

That makes no sense. virgogal Jul 2018 #21

No, not because of demographics, but policies and attitudes ehrnst Jul 2018 #27

But what about the African countries like Kenya? This can't be just a white thing uponit7771 Jul 2018 #32

Do you have examples of racist policies on the part of the Kenyan government? ehrnst Jul 2018 #100

Look at treatment of Somali refugees in kenya JI7 Jul 2018 #114

The Japanese can be very racist GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #35

That was meant to be my point---there are racists that are NOT white. virgogal Jul 2018 #36

Sorry. Went over my head. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #38

I would argue that there are infinitely more White racists. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #60

I wonder they can't just trust human nature treestar Jul 2018 #24

But it doesn't SoCalNative Jul 2018 #58

bingo AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #63

I completely disagree with every word you wrote. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #65

So you think that requiring Muslim children to be taught Christmas and Easter are ehrnst Jul 2018 #98

This amounts to 5 hours per day in daycare for 5 days Arazi Jul 2018 #133

That is always claimed treestar Jul 2018 #78

Not this particular group SoCalNative Jul 2018 #83

That was said about Italians and treestar Jul 2018 #84

Well, I've lived it with the past 2 or 3 generations here SoCalNative Jul 2018 #97

I don't believe any third generation person treestar Jul 2018 #161

I never said they didn't speak English SoCalNative Jul 2018 #163

If they speak English, they must use it enough to speak it well treestar Jul 2018 #164

I'm not referring to Spanish SoCalNative Jul 2018 #165

In public in a store or the like treestar Jul 2018 #166

Maybe in your area they do SoCalNative Jul 2018 #167

How do you know they are second or third generation? treestar Jul 2018 #170

Because I have grown up around a lot of them SoCalNative Jul 2018 #172

It doesn't sound much different than Chinatowns treestar Jul 2018 #173

Chinatown is Chinatown SoCalNative Jul 2018 #175

These Armenians manage to have a whole city? treestar Jul 2018 #179

Yes, they've taken over the city SoCalNative Jul 2018 #182

Can you provide any objective evidence at all... LanternWaste Jul 2018 #168

It's based on the reality SoCalNative Jul 2018 #169

In what way have immigrants "taken over" your CA city, and "insist on their own way?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #115

All but one of our city council members SoCalNative Jul 2018 #125

And this threatens you how...have you ever seen the St. Patricks Day Parade in New York? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #148

It's a little bit different SoCalNative Jul 2018 #149

That is not true...there is always trouble...fighting and all. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #157

Is it chilly in here? lostnfound Jul 2018 #25

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #29

This is the wrong attitude to solution should never be more bigotry uponit7771 Jul 2018 #33

I can be very bigoted about some things GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #37

Should have said racial bigotry. They can have solutions without making the situation worse... uponit7771 Jul 2018 #39

The solution is not acceptable Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #61

Agree, I'm like Bill Maher on these issues. radius777 Jul 2018 #128

You and I see eye to eye. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #131

It's not just migrants - it's anyone in the designated "ghettos". Including 2nd generation muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #41

just to be clear AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #42

You get to choose that. You don't have benefits withdrawn if you want to spend more time muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #43

we dont get any benefits to lose AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #44

If the parents were behind it...there would be no coercion in the law which there is... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #48

yes, they've asked them. They're interviewed in the article. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #51

So...the laws are even applied in a discriminatory manner. If you have a comfortable life, Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #66

You are comparing your children being taken from recent immigrants for 25 hours a week for ehrnst Jul 2018 #109

The law is bad...despite the attempts to justify it. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #54

If they'd made it the same for the whole country, I could accept it was meant in good faith muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #59

Yes it does ...you are correct. Of course the entire country would rise up if it applied to all, but Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #67

I didn't got back to work...and stayed home with my kids...this law impinges on personal Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #50

Completely agreee. Denmark also has a history of ripping Inuit children from parents. suffragette Jul 2018 #62

You consider that a solution? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #46

it is better than what has failed before AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #47

Let them live their faith as they choose...and accept them. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #49

that didnt work, they've tried it before AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #53

Well, it is a terrible policy ...discrimination at its worst and is applied in a discriminatory Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #68

I would also add that that discrimination plays a role in non-assimilation . Thus the answer is not Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #69

then what is the answer AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #77

Make everyone obey the laws...period. And accept that some wont believe in Santa Claus and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #113

So are white Danish children taught that "homosexuality is as normal as hetero and same sex couples? ehrnst Jul 2018 #124

It is wrong to tell anyone what to teach the children treestar Jul 2018 #162

Are Jewish and Muslim children here required to be taught that Christianity is a "US value?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #106

And since their faith includes the opression.. MicaelS Jul 2018 #71

So does Christianity. ehrnst Jul 2018 #127

Taking the Bible literally, Christian faiths include plucking out eyes, teeth, and.... George II Jul 2018 #134

Unacceptable They can believe whatever they want. No argument. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #72

I do not believe in this law...outlaw forced marriages and discrimination at the state level. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #74

As you know, I am not arguing in support of this particular law GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #87

That is what Hitler said basically, 'something' anything must be done'. It is just not true. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #116

I have said several times we should never impose ideas on anyone GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #126

Generally when countries allow immigrants into their country, it's on the provision.... George II Jul 2018 #138

Agreed. But the thread is about Europe GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #140

Maybe because religious discrimination is allowed in Europe. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #150

We have laws in this country that all must abide by...including immigrants. special laws are not Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #139

Are you not even reading my posts? GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #141

I appreciate that...and I understand what you are saying...just don't agree. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #152

Oh, and thank you for the discussion. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #142

Islam is the new darling of many on the Left. MicaelS Jul 2018 #91

That does not have to be the case. treestar Jul 2018 #174

"Islam, a religion arguably worse" ehrnst Jul 2018 #117

Ih give it up. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #129

Again nothing's new Under the Sun proposed what has worked before uponit7771 Jul 2018 #82

Tell us what "failed" before. What is your definition of "failure?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #120

I am a liberal ...born a liberal and will die a liberal. No country that has policies such as this Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #70

There is nothing wrong with placing expectations on immigrants who are seeking a new start RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #73

because it's overly obvious that bigotry is the driver of the expectations not assimilation uponit7771 Jul 2018 #76

That is exactly correct. +1000 Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #80

And there is an inherent disdain for the rights of the immigrant which I find appalling...and some Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #81

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #86

Thank you, did you ever think to see the day when progressive/liberals would defend such a policy? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #93

I seen it before when the Russians for hitting this site in 2016 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #95

Nice. Expressing disagreement is "unacceptable" and gets one labeled a Russian troll. RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #99

The idea that a state has the right to force people to learn about Christianity as some sort of Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #121

No, just ignoring the science of these issues uponit7771 Jul 2018 #135

I have to agree. The words I see here with few exceptions are not what I would expect on a Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #118

+1, I proffered that notion in this thread a couple of times and got no response. LPC, LHC, ignore uponit7771 Jul 2018 #136

These are very Trumpian positions. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #158

No, it is not over obvious that bigotry is the driver. RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #85

You can't speed up assimilation and it won't happen at the point of a gun. I can well imagine Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #89

Then they should not have accepted that amount of immigration in the first place... uponit7771 Jul 2018 #90

Yeah, it is obvious. It's not just recent immigrants. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #96

Horrible.. I am saddened for those subject to such persecution and it is persecution Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #107

Ghettos are forming because of discrimination. And you can't force assimilation...my Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #153

How can it be sped up? treestar Jul 2018 #171

This policy is horrible and wrong...and yes there is something wrong with doing this... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #79

Abandon their culture? Since when is expecting people to learn the local language and values RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #92

What part of Christmas and Easter being required to be taught as "Denmark Values" ehrnst Jul 2018 #94

I did read the article, as well as the comments. RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #102

It is a religious holiday... so it most certainly does imply religious conversion. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #105

Perhaps you missed this part: ehrnst Jul 2018 #122

Yes...that is abandoning their culture at the point of a gun...and when this doesn't work and it Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #103

First of all not everyone is good at learning languages...but their kids will learn. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #154

Read the article. ehrnst Jul 2018 #119

Thanks for posting this...here we have a economically liberal society embarking on Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #88

Making immigrants into subhumans...what comes next is never good. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #123

I think there can and should be education for people JI7 Jul 2018 #130

Denmark does have an official state church cabot Jul 2018 #137

It isn't right and we don't have an official state church here either. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #155

So does England, and they don't do this to immigrant children. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #160

K&R Gothmog Jul 2018 #146