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Demsrule86

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155. It isn't right and we don't have an official state church here either.

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In Denmark, Harsh New Laws for Immigrant 'Ghettos' [View all] ehrnst Jul 2018 OP

This shocked me. CozyMystery Jul 2018 #1

Shocking and Denmark is often touted as such a great place to live. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #2

Yup. Denmark is off my list of places to move to. CozyMystery Jul 2018 #3

Mine too...Sweden is also very racist I have heard...and France has Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #9

France does not have Ghettos for Muslims. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #34

Muslims live in ghettos and face discrimination in France. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #45

Do not disagree with your points GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #55

I don't think we are 'more' racist with Europe ...in fact my idea that Europe and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #143

Economic progressiveness GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #151

It seems to me that I am right in believing that without social justice economic progressiveness Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #156

It can work for some. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #159

Just stepping in to thank you JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #176

Why thank you. How nice. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #177

Sweden also has very repressive drug laws. cannabis_flower Jul 2018 #104

Shocking...and to think all the liberals like me who think Sweden is Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #144

It's a world-wide problem. zanana1 Jul 2018 #181

If you are at home in a small, overwhelmingly white population ehrnst Jul 2018 #5

Imagine forcing Muslim kids to celebrate Easter and Christmas. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #7

But we're told that once economic issues are solved, that the other issues will ehrnst Jul 2018 #10

Isn't that the truth...and clearly it is completely wrong. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #13

+1 brer cat Jul 2018 #20

Surprising to me too. Denmark used to be the most tolerant country in the world. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #22

The right taking advantage of Bush's shit show in Iraq uponit7771 Jul 2018 #4

The right is given a very eager ear among the comfortable white population there. ehrnst Jul 2018 #6

not really, this has been an issue in some euro countries for years JI7 Jul 2018 #8

These are Democratic Socialist in Denmark right? Just goes to show that economics does not Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #11

+1, will be great example of it uponit7771 Jul 2018 #31

These countries that think this is the solution are to blame. It won't work. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #12

You nailed it malaise Jul 2018 #14

25 hours a week at age 1 mandatory for the baby be away from home ? lunasun Jul 2018 #15

Unfortunately some candidates concern themselves more with economics than human rights. George II Jul 2018 #18

I hate candidates like that! Hate em... NurseJackie Jul 2018 #19

No kidding dalton99a Jul 2018 #23

This is a horrible...a one years old baby taken from their parents by force. This is Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #56

and why wasn't age 5, or whenever you start school treestar Jul 2018 #178

It is about punishing the parents...poor immigrant...whom they don't like. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #180

Language education is iffy but I can see it, the rest is crazy Amishman Jul 2018 #16

Equality of the genders lostnfound Jul 2018 #26

That is a matter of law, and human rights. Forcing someone to observe Christmas ehrnst Jul 2018 #28

Agreed. I was merely stating two additional concepts that I think WOULD be defensible lostnfound Jul 2018 #30

it's not AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #40

Natural assimilation has failed because of racism...where jobs are not to be had in Europe and the Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #52

and how do you eradicate racism, as if it was so simple AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #57

You don't have racist policies that prevent assimilation and then blame the victims of such Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #64

Punishing the victims of racism doesn't seen like a good idea...horrible in fact. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #75

"We have to give a chance to forced assimilation because they need it to become danish citizens." ehrnst Jul 2018 #101

they don't teach christianity, they teach language and history AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #110

You think Christmas and Easter are not Christianity? ehrnst Jul 2018 #112

So second generation immigrants are not yet citizens? There is something wrong with Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #108

What is a second generation immigrant? Mariana Jul 2018 #132

They are still defined as immigrants and subject to this law...it is in the article. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #145

"I fully sympathize with this tiny little country that is fighting to preserve its highly civilized ehrnst Jul 2018 #111

I find this quote sickening... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #147

Scandinavian countries for the most part have an undercurrent of "racism".... George II Jul 2018 #17

That makes no sense. virgogal Jul 2018 #21

No, not because of demographics, but policies and attitudes ehrnst Jul 2018 #27

But what about the African countries like Kenya? This can't be just a white thing uponit7771 Jul 2018 #32

Do you have examples of racist policies on the part of the Kenyan government? ehrnst Jul 2018 #100

Look at treatment of Somali refugees in kenya JI7 Jul 2018 #114

The Japanese can be very racist GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #35

That was meant to be my point---there are racists that are NOT white. virgogal Jul 2018 #36

Sorry. Went over my head. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #38

I would argue that there are infinitely more White racists. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #60

I wonder they can't just trust human nature treestar Jul 2018 #24

But it doesn't SoCalNative Jul 2018 #58

bingo AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #63

I completely disagree with every word you wrote. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #65

So you think that requiring Muslim children to be taught Christmas and Easter are ehrnst Jul 2018 #98

This amounts to 5 hours per day in daycare for 5 days Arazi Jul 2018 #133

That is always claimed treestar Jul 2018 #78

Not this particular group SoCalNative Jul 2018 #83

That was said about Italians and treestar Jul 2018 #84

Well, I've lived it with the past 2 or 3 generations here SoCalNative Jul 2018 #97

I don't believe any third generation person treestar Jul 2018 #161

I never said they didn't speak English SoCalNative Jul 2018 #163

If they speak English, they must use it enough to speak it well treestar Jul 2018 #164

I'm not referring to Spanish SoCalNative Jul 2018 #165

In public in a store or the like treestar Jul 2018 #166

Maybe in your area they do SoCalNative Jul 2018 #167

How do you know they are second or third generation? treestar Jul 2018 #170

Because I have grown up around a lot of them SoCalNative Jul 2018 #172

It doesn't sound much different than Chinatowns treestar Jul 2018 #173

Chinatown is Chinatown SoCalNative Jul 2018 #175

These Armenians manage to have a whole city? treestar Jul 2018 #179

Yes, they've taken over the city SoCalNative Jul 2018 #182

Can you provide any objective evidence at all... LanternWaste Jul 2018 #168

It's based on the reality SoCalNative Jul 2018 #169

In what way have immigrants "taken over" your CA city, and "insist on their own way?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #115

All but one of our city council members SoCalNative Jul 2018 #125

And this threatens you how...have you ever seen the St. Patricks Day Parade in New York? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #148

It's a little bit different SoCalNative Jul 2018 #149

That is not true...there is always trouble...fighting and all. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #157

Is it chilly in here? lostnfound Jul 2018 #25

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #29

This is the wrong attitude to solution should never be more bigotry uponit7771 Jul 2018 #33

I can be very bigoted about some things GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #37

Should have said racial bigotry. They can have solutions without making the situation worse... uponit7771 Jul 2018 #39

The solution is not acceptable Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #61

Agree, I'm like Bill Maher on these issues. radius777 Jul 2018 #128

You and I see eye to eye. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #131

It's not just migrants - it's anyone in the designated "ghettos". Including 2nd generation muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #41

just to be clear AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #42

You get to choose that. You don't have benefits withdrawn if you want to spend more time muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #43

we dont get any benefits to lose AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #44

If the parents were behind it...there would be no coercion in the law which there is... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #48

yes, they've asked them. They're interviewed in the article. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #51

So...the laws are even applied in a discriminatory manner. If you have a comfortable life, Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #66

You are comparing your children being taken from recent immigrants for 25 hours a week for ehrnst Jul 2018 #109

The law is bad...despite the attempts to justify it. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #54

If they'd made it the same for the whole country, I could accept it was meant in good faith muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #59

Yes it does ...you are correct. Of course the entire country would rise up if it applied to all, but Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #67

I didn't got back to work...and stayed home with my kids...this law impinges on personal Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #50

Completely agreee. Denmark also has a history of ripping Inuit children from parents. suffragette Jul 2018 #62

You consider that a solution? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #46

it is better than what has failed before AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #47

Let them live their faith as they choose...and accept them. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #49

that didnt work, they've tried it before AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #53

Well, it is a terrible policy ...discrimination at its worst and is applied in a discriminatory Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #68

I would also add that that discrimination plays a role in non-assimilation . Thus the answer is not Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #69

then what is the answer AlexSFCA Jul 2018 #77

Make everyone obey the laws...period. And accept that some wont believe in Santa Claus and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #113

So are white Danish children taught that "homosexuality is as normal as hetero and same sex couples? ehrnst Jul 2018 #124

It is wrong to tell anyone what to teach the children treestar Jul 2018 #162

Are Jewish and Muslim children here required to be taught that Christianity is a "US value?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #106

And since their faith includes the opression.. MicaelS Jul 2018 #71

So does Christianity. ehrnst Jul 2018 #127

Taking the Bible literally, Christian faiths include plucking out eyes, teeth, and.... George II Jul 2018 #134

Unacceptable They can believe whatever they want. No argument. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #72

I do not believe in this law...outlaw forced marriages and discrimination at the state level. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #74

As you know, I am not arguing in support of this particular law GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #87

That is what Hitler said basically, 'something' anything must be done'. It is just not true. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #116

I have said several times we should never impose ideas on anyone GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #126

Generally when countries allow immigrants into their country, it's on the provision.... George II Jul 2018 #138

Agreed. But the thread is about Europe GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #140

Maybe because religious discrimination is allowed in Europe. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #150

We have laws in this country that all must abide by...including immigrants. special laws are not Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #139

Are you not even reading my posts? GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #141

I appreciate that...and I understand what you are saying...just don't agree. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #152

Oh, and thank you for the discussion. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #142

Islam is the new darling of many on the Left. MicaelS Jul 2018 #91

That does not have to be the case. treestar Jul 2018 #174

"Islam, a religion arguably worse" ehrnst Jul 2018 #117

Ih give it up. GulfCoast66 Jul 2018 #129

Again nothing's new Under the Sun proposed what has worked before uponit7771 Jul 2018 #82

Tell us what "failed" before. What is your definition of "failure?" ehrnst Jul 2018 #120

I am a liberal ...born a liberal and will die a liberal. No country that has policies such as this Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #70

There is nothing wrong with placing expectations on immigrants who are seeking a new start RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #73

because it's overly obvious that bigotry is the driver of the expectations not assimilation uponit7771 Jul 2018 #76

That is exactly correct. +1000 Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #80

And there is an inherent disdain for the rights of the immigrant which I find appalling...and some Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #81

+1 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #86

Thank you, did you ever think to see the day when progressive/liberals would defend such a policy? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #93

I seen it before when the Russians for hitting this site in 2016 uponit7771 Jul 2018 #95

Nice. Expressing disagreement is "unacceptable" and gets one labeled a Russian troll. RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #99

The idea that a state has the right to force people to learn about Christianity as some sort of Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #121

No, just ignoring the science of these issues uponit7771 Jul 2018 #135

I have to agree. The words I see here with few exceptions are not what I would expect on a Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #118

+1, I proffered that notion in this thread a couple of times and got no response. LPC, LHC, ignore uponit7771 Jul 2018 #136

These are very Trumpian positions. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #158

No, it is not over obvious that bigotry is the driver. RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #85

You can't speed up assimilation and it won't happen at the point of a gun. I can well imagine Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #89

Then they should not have accepted that amount of immigration in the first place... uponit7771 Jul 2018 #90

Yeah, it is obvious. It's not just recent immigrants. muriel_volestrangler Jul 2018 #96

Horrible.. I am saddened for those subject to such persecution and it is persecution Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #107

Ghettos are forming because of discrimination. And you can't force assimilation...my Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #153

How can it be sped up? treestar Jul 2018 #171

This policy is horrible and wrong...and yes there is something wrong with doing this... Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #79

Abandon their culture? Since when is expecting people to learn the local language and values RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #92

What part of Christmas and Easter being required to be taught as "Denmark Values" ehrnst Jul 2018 #94

I did read the article, as well as the comments. RelativelyJones Jul 2018 #102

It is a religious holiday... so it most certainly does imply religious conversion. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #105

Perhaps you missed this part: ehrnst Jul 2018 #122

Yes...that is abandoning their culture at the point of a gun...and when this doesn't work and it Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #103

First of all not everyone is good at learning languages...but their kids will learn. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #154

Read the article. ehrnst Jul 2018 #119

Thanks for posting this...here we have a economically liberal society embarking on Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #88

Making immigrants into subhumans...what comes next is never good. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #123

I think there can and should be education for people JI7 Jul 2018 #130

Denmark does have an official state church cabot Jul 2018 #137

It isn't right and we don't have an official state church here either. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #155

So does England, and they don't do this to immigrant children. (nt) ehrnst Jul 2018 #160

K&R Gothmog Jul 2018 #146