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Response to Civic Justice (Reply #25)

Sat Jun 30, 2018, 02:21 PM

26. It's harder for liberals

 

All conservatives have to do is keep us (everybody) divided to keep their power. The more scarcity there is the more we squabble amongst ourselves. Liberals have to actually produce results and those results can only be achieved through cooperation. Hence the liberal desire for civility. Many liberals look at the protests of the 60's and view them as productive. There were two phases. The first was relatively peaceful (but still confrontational) and highly organized. That work produced the civil rights legislation we are trying to cling to now. The second phase was angry, violent, and appeared less organized. Those protests produced the Nixon administration and drove many working class Americans into the arms of conservative affiliation.

Conservatives are not going to be partners. They are not going to share power or listen to reason. They don't care about anything but themselves and their power. We have to fight them with more powerful versions of the same weapons they use. As liberals, we also have to keep a strong ideological message visible to everyone that guides where our victories lead to. Think of Wilson's 14 Points as we entered WWI or FDR's Atlantic Conference before we entered WWII. We cannot simply be idealists. We have to be idealists as we fight.

You make the point that we are ineffective at getting our message out. You are completely correct. We need to understand how big the deficit of information there is. They have AM Radio, bots, Fox, public education, and fake economic system that has never worked without driving up debt but still has many Nobel Prizes. Our whole history has been successfully revised and campaign slogans will not overturn this massive conservative intellectual infrastructure.

Different things need to happen at the same time. We need to win elections and maintain power with the rules Republicans have created for themselves. We need to embark on a deep reeducation of as many people as possible. We have to maintain a proper narrative in real time. We also have to maintain our ideological connection with the general population. Different people have different strengths, but liberal leadership needs to push forward in all ways because conservatives have been doing this for decades.

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