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185. And pretending that Clinton would have won had Stein not run is still a non sequitur.

Fri Jun 29, 2018, 08:18 AM

Jun 2018

Stein voters were numerically insignificant compared to the 100 million Trump- and non-voters.

Sure, blame anyone who could have voted and didn't vote Clinton to some degree--I agree with that--but there were far larger voting blocs than Stein's which had far greater impact. Stein ballots mattered no more than votes going to anyone else.

Such selective outrage is weird.

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Can we stop with the outrage at non and 3rd party.. [View all] TheSocialDem Jun 2018 OP

Um...no. n/t cynatnite Jun 2018 #1

+1 n/t wryter2000 Jun 2018 #45

yeah Cosmocat Jun 2018 #59

Agreed Gothmog Jun 2018 #117

The people you are worried about are not on DU Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #2

It just doesn't seem productive TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #7

It might help other people even if it doesn't help you Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #12

I don't see that here. I see people deciding who their enemies are based on any affiliations. JCanete Jun 2018 #114

Too bad you don't like the FECKLESS FUCKING LIARS stein Cha Jun 2018 #149

Then we can expect all your posts to achieve productivity? LanternWaste Jun 2018 #18

They need to take responsibility and apologize. N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #122

Tough crap.. the FUCKING LIARS stein and sarandon who Cha Jun 2018 #146

The persons who the OP is worried about are busy on JPR spewing hate Gothmog Jun 2018 #118

There was plenty of blame to go around. GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #3

Except for Trump voters. They bear no responsibility whatsoever Mariana Jun 2018 #81

Nope, that has never been said. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #109

"I don't blame Republican voters." Mariana Jun 2018 #152

Bull.. Suckers for trump are always getting raked over Cha Jun 2018 #151

I will indeed blame them, especially the ones who were pretending to be Ninsianna Jun 2018 #184

Nope nt cry baby Jun 2018 #4

Enjoy your stay... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #5

Uncalled for. nt JCanete Jun 2018 #116

Your opinion is duly noted... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #147

But political guru Cenk just tweeted that Hillary was a terrible candidate That's why we have Trump. Wwcd Jun 2018 #6

And This Is The Answer To That Russian Loving Guy Me. Jun 2018 #63

There it is, ME. The margin of non Dem voters via 3rd party & Wwcd Jun 2018 #69

So go blame those people. Stop blaming KPN Jun 2018 #86

I did blame them. Why would you bring bernies name into this thread about Cenk? Wwcd Jun 2018 #130

Blame is nothing but negative energy. KPN Jun 2018 #171

Haaaahaa....rofl. What was my question again? Wwcd Jun 2018 #174

I don't know. KPN Jun 2018 #175

I know you don't know. Its ok. Wwcd Jun 2018 #176

........ KPN Jun 2018 #180

It never ends. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #158

I would ignore it if I didn't think it was harmful. KPN Jun 2018 #170

I hear ya KPN! Appreciate the post... guess I take comfort in knowing Bernie is winning... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #182

Not a chance in hell that I will not be outraged by the selfish ignorance of non & 3rd party voters. LonePirate Jun 2018 #8

Given how close several states were, any one of numerous factors could have made the difference. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #9

Those are some other big factors I forgot to mention.. nt TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #36

Hmmm. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #51

One other: A certain candidate didn't concede for 8 weeks after... brush Jun 2018 #131

+1 for truth and honesty wonkwest Jun 2018 #91

"more Sanders voters moved over to Clinton than Clinton voters moved over to Obama" Garrett78 Jun 2018 #93

There was a poll done about it wonkwest Jun 2018 #95

Yes, it has been explained and analyzed by experts. lapucelle Jun 2018 #138

Thank you for the data wonkwest Jun 2018 #148

"hippie punching" GMAFB. Cha Jun 2018 #154

Whose side are you on? wonkwest Jun 2018 #161

All you have are ignorant personal attacks. Cha Jun 2018 #162

You answer no questions wonkwest Jun 2018 #163

You are absolutely clueless with your personal attack. Cha Jun 2018 #164

You say words with no meaning wonkwest Jun 2018 #165

Yes you did.. own it. i expect an apology. Cha Jun 2018 #166

Don't wonkwest Jun 2018 #167

Yeah, I really didn't think you would own up to your personal attack. Cha Jun 2018 #168

That's a startling bit of re-written long-ago DU history. Hekate Jun 2018 #169

Reading is a thing wonkwest Jun 2018 #186

I will never stop being outraged. But, WhiteTara Jun 2018 #10

This very selective outrage is weird. Orsino Jun 2018 #11

I think that Trumpers have proven themselves to be bigots and idiots Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #19

And there weren't enough third-party to make them a big factor. Orsino Jun 2018 #23

Here is the role they play: their presence in a rigged campaign is to give the APPEARANCE .... Hekate Jun 2018 #78

We have the JPR group who probably read posts here LeftInTX Jun 2018 #41

I agree. shanny Jun 2018 #65

Someone posted outright the other day, "I don't blame Republican voters," Mariana Jun 2018 #88

Nonsense. Stein received more votes than Trump's margin in several states. NYC Liberal Jun 2018 #92

And pretending that Clinton would have won had Stein not run is still a non sequitur. Orsino Jun 2018 #185

Fuck no. Next question. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #13

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #29

......... R B Garr Jun 2018 #37

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #44

NO! Never forget, in hopes of never making the same mistake. jrthin Jun 2018 #14

what mistake? the mistake of counting on your opponents to drop out so the dem can win? yeah, TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #101

The same "mistake" of being SUCKERED in by FUCKING FECKLESS Cha Jun 2018 #159

Yeah, that's one reason to Shame their LIES.. maybe Cha Jun 2018 #160

I keep seeing threads like this. Do some people have guilty consciences? FSogol Jun 2018 #15

Hell No Locutusofborg Jun 2018 #16

I think that shaming them isn't the worst thing we can do world wide wally Jun 2018 #17

Exactly, WWW.. they need to be shamed just Cha Jun 2018 #157

The 3rd party/stay home crowd isn't solely to blame Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #20

No. LW1977 Jun 2018 #21

We have to have enough votes mrgorth Jun 2018 #22

Those idiots didn't vote or voted for Trump to display their outrage. They're too ... marble falls Jun 2018 #24

No. They already forgot the lesson of the 2000 election, whereas die-hard Rs... moriah Jun 2018 #25

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #102

You really think Dems are violating every principle they stand for? moriah Jun 2018 #103

Whatever it was.. they sound brainwashed bad. Cha Jun 2018 #155

I called out... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2018 #26

I tune them out but I'm sick of it too. Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #27

Ironically unproductive post! bettyellen Jun 2018 #46

just expressing my agreement with the op. Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #50

Just noting the amusing circular reasoning going on, I liked it... bettyellen Jun 2018 #80

get a life Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #141

Cranky and bossy today? HA bettyellen Jun 2018 #187

no, just not into being trolled 2 days in a row. Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #190

Same! bettyellen Jun 2018 #191

No. NY_20th Jun 2018 #28

DU needs something to punch. And this is what we do... progressoid Jun 2018 #30

Nope, won't stop. And my reasons for this? ... JHan Jun 2018 #31

No, that's what they said in 2000. Cattledog Jun 2018 #32

What are you? The 50th brand new poster telling us who we can be mad at? Squinch Jun 2018 #33

Nah, not new, haven't posted in a while, but not new TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #136

I blame the stay at home crowd LeftInTX Jun 2018 #34

Didn't more Bernie voters vote for Hillary than Hillary voters voted for Obama in 2008? Ron Obvious Jun 2018 #35

I've seen this point made and I don't buy it... JHan Jun 2018 #38

all of this- I know a few friends who spewed for a whole year about HRC not being good enough, and bettyellen Jun 2018 #48

Thank You. Wwcd Jun 2018 #57

What do you think the progressive's agenda was? Nt. TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #62

To stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president at all costs. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #64

Exactly. As Mueller stated in his formal findings, only 2 people bennefitted from Wwcd Jun 2018 #72

Yes! Very well said! R B Garr Jun 2018 #172

You're welcome! bettyellen Jun 2018 #82

It was all a damn lie... JHan Jun 2018 #140

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #150

That the millionth time I've heard that self absolving excuse. Wwcd Jun 2018 #55

Sanders to Trump voters exceeded the margins of victory in WI, MI, and PA. lapucelle Jun 2018 #145

No way. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2018 #39

No EffieBlack Jun 2018 #40

They had a role TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #49

Ya. We all knew who the "actors" were. And still are today. Wwcd Jun 2018 #58

True, but when Hillary says it she's whining and not taking responsibility nt EffieBlack Jun 2018 #74

I think Putin is behind this latest surge of 2016 wackiness. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #42

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #43

I'm still seeing posts like this one wryter2000 Jun 2018 #47

Can we? Yes. Will we? Alas, I predict No. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #52

I agree, but i don't think it'll stop. Beartracks Jun 2018 #53

Hell isn't that cold sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #54

There's certainly plenty of blame to go around Music Man Jun 2018 #56

Nope mcar Jun 2018 #60

some centrist have an inexplicable blind spot when it comes to blaming Republicans yurbud Jun 2018 #61

No MFM008 Jun 2018 #66

No, its constructive uponit7771 Jun 2018 #67

This is a Democratic website BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #68

I've always voted down the ticket for candidates w/ a D TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #73

IMHO BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #87

All the more reason to reach out to them rather than broadbrush all third party voters as the enemy. progressoid Jun 2018 #94

No way should anyone reach out to the 3rd parties on our 2016 Presidential ballot here in PA BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #97

So how'd that work out in 2016? progressoid Jun 2018 #100

It's called "social media bullshit" BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #108

Right. But I would expect you'll find those white so-called liberal suburban voters were just as progressoid Jun 2018 #120

That's what I am saying. BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #125

People who weren't smart enough to vote for Hillary/Dems are probably not worth IronLionZion Jun 2018 #70

it should be obvious to all tiredtoo Jun 2018 #71

Nope! Anyone who's stupid enough to do it the first time, is too stupid to remember... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #75

No. Next question? Hekate Jun 2018 #76

Plenty of blame to go around. They deserve their share. Adrahil Jun 2018 #77

Thank you! KPN Jun 2018 #79

So many conspiracy theories, so little time! chesterslick Jun 2018 #83

IF the Republican fraud machine, IF the Russians, IF gerrymandering, IF voter purging DFW Jun 2018 #84

I wish I could call a spade a spade but WE have rules here. njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #85

The punching to the left thing is dangerous and ubiquitous here wonkwest Jun 2018 #89

! progressoid Jun 2018 #104

Thank you. Efilroft Sul Jun 2018 #112

I like that phrase wonkwest Jun 2018 #137

Thank you again. Efilroft Sul Jun 2018 #139

No! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #90

Why? G_j Jun 2018 #96

Fuck no. OBrien Jun 2018 #98

yep; many here act as if dems are ENTITLED to every left-of-center vote, regardless of their actions TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #99

No but voters have a responsibility Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #127

Some other election maybe... This election Hell, no Afromania Jun 2018 #105

Go away Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #106

So I'm not supposed to outraged that people voted for someone that sat dem4decades Jun 2018 #107

Hell no, not until every evil GOP/Trump policy is reversed in full!! workinclasszero Jun 2018 #110

NO! Many refused to listen /said mention of SCOTUS was "blackmail". oasis Jun 2018 #111

No. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #113

Sanders voters gave trump his margin of victory Gothmog Jun 2018 #115

"Mission Accomplished" Wwcd Jun 2018 #132

If you need to be "convinced" or "persuaded" Codeine Jun 2018 #119

the alt-left are Trump-lite radius777 Jun 2018 #121

I propose that all the DU posters who berate DUers for rightly placing partial blame on 3rd party seaglass Jun 2018 #123

We reached out in 2016, we were told to shut up & sit down Wwcd Jun 2018 #133

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jun 2018 #124

Odd post Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #126

Yeah.. This is Democratic Underground.. NOT 3rd Party SHIT Underground. Cha Jun 2018 #144

Hey! I used the term "Independent Underground" just the other day ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #179

They're trying to give cover to the 3rd Party Cha Jun 2018 #183

No. Sunsky Jun 2018 #128

Nope sellitman Jun 2018 #129

Yea, it's all on them TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #134

Didn't say it was all on them.. they own a big chunk of it.. Cha Jun 2018 #143

"them" lol JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #135

Oh Shite.. you just brought up my rage again at the FUCKING Cha Jun 2018 #142

Dont try and interrupt their two minute hate man JackInGreen Jun 2018 #153

No. Many reasons - and nonDem voters are one big reason EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #156

I don't think so lillypaddle Jun 2018 #173

Like Dorothy Day said, y'all... stlsaxman Jun 2018 #177

Hell no. We screamed at these people about what would happen Ninsianna Jun 2018 #178

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #181

Some are outraged because they can't reach out to those voters without dropping yurbud Jun 2018 #188

... Scurrilous Jun 2018 #189

Sorry, but it isn't going to happen kcr Jun 2018 #192

I was almost a non-voter in 2016 End Of The Road Jun 2018 #193