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KPN

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170. I would ignore it if I didn't think it was harmful.

Thu Jun 28, 2018, 11:22 PM

Jun 2018

I have 3 adult kids who were Bernie supporters. Only one of them voted despite my non-stop arm-twisting ( fortunately we are all in deeply blue Oregon). They express concerns that I am unable to dismiss. They are not racist, they are not stupid, one of the two who didn’t vote is gay, they all have college degrees, they all work hard and honestly to support themselves. I am proud of who they are and what they stand for. Frankly, anyone who criticizes them is criticizing me — and off base. I could go on. Suffice it to say blaming people like my adult kids — which is exactly what they are doing in effect — is self-defeating. It angers me ... especially coming from what I consider my own.

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Can we stop with the outrage at non and 3rd party.. [View all] TheSocialDem Jun 2018 OP

Um...no. n/t cynatnite Jun 2018 #1

+1 n/t wryter2000 Jun 2018 #45

yeah Cosmocat Jun 2018 #59

Agreed Gothmog Jun 2018 #117

The people you are worried about are not on DU Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #2

It just doesn't seem productive TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #7

It might help other people even if it doesn't help you Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #12

I don't see that here. I see people deciding who their enemies are based on any affiliations. JCanete Jun 2018 #114

Too bad you don't like the FECKLESS FUCKING LIARS stein Cha Jun 2018 #149

Then we can expect all your posts to achieve productivity? LanternWaste Jun 2018 #18

They need to take responsibility and apologize. N/T lapucelle Jun 2018 #122

Tough crap.. the FUCKING LIARS stein and sarandon who Cha Jun 2018 #146

The persons who the OP is worried about are busy on JPR spewing hate Gothmog Jun 2018 #118

There was plenty of blame to go around. GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #3

Except for Trump voters. They bear no responsibility whatsoever Mariana Jun 2018 #81

Nope, that has never been said. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #109

"I don't blame Republican voters." Mariana Jun 2018 #152

Bull.. Suckers for trump are always getting raked over Cha Jun 2018 #151

I will indeed blame them, especially the ones who were pretending to be Ninsianna Jun 2018 #184

Nope nt cry baby Jun 2018 #4

Enjoy your stay... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #5

Uncalled for. nt JCanete Jun 2018 #116

Your opinion is duly noted... Wounded Bear Jun 2018 #147

But political guru Cenk just tweeted that Hillary was a terrible candidate That's why we have Trump. Wwcd Jun 2018 #6

And This Is The Answer To That Russian Loving Guy Me. Jun 2018 #63

There it is, ME. The margin of non Dem voters via 3rd party & Wwcd Jun 2018 #69

So go blame those people. Stop blaming KPN Jun 2018 #86

I did blame them. Why would you bring bernies name into this thread about Cenk? Wwcd Jun 2018 #130

Blame is nothing but negative energy. KPN Jun 2018 #171

Haaaahaa....rofl. What was my question again? Wwcd Jun 2018 #174

I don't know. KPN Jun 2018 #175

I know you don't know. Its ok. Wwcd Jun 2018 #176

........ KPN Jun 2018 #180

It never ends. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #158

I would ignore it if I didn't think it was harmful. KPN Jun 2018 #170

I hear ya KPN! Appreciate the post... guess I take comfort in knowing Bernie is winning... InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2018 #182

Not a chance in hell that I will not be outraged by the selfish ignorance of non & 3rd party voters. LonePirate Jun 2018 #8

Given how close several states were, any one of numerous factors could have made the difference. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #9

Those are some other big factors I forgot to mention.. nt TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #36

Hmmm. Wellstone ruled Jun 2018 #51

One other: A certain candidate didn't concede for 8 weeks after... brush Jun 2018 #131

+1 for truth and honesty wonkwest Jun 2018 #91

"more Sanders voters moved over to Clinton than Clinton voters moved over to Obama" Garrett78 Jun 2018 #93

There was a poll done about it wonkwest Jun 2018 #95

Yes, it has been explained and analyzed by experts. lapucelle Jun 2018 #138

Thank you for the data wonkwest Jun 2018 #148

"hippie punching" GMAFB. Cha Jun 2018 #154

Whose side are you on? wonkwest Jun 2018 #161

All you have are ignorant personal attacks. Cha Jun 2018 #162

You answer no questions wonkwest Jun 2018 #163

You are absolutely clueless with your personal attack. Cha Jun 2018 #164

You say words with no meaning wonkwest Jun 2018 #165

Yes you did.. own it. i expect an apology. Cha Jun 2018 #166

Don't wonkwest Jun 2018 #167

Yeah, I really didn't think you would own up to your personal attack. Cha Jun 2018 #168

That's a startling bit of re-written long-ago DU history. Hekate Jun 2018 #169

Reading is a thing wonkwest Jun 2018 #186

I will never stop being outraged. But, WhiteTara Jun 2018 #10

This very selective outrage is weird. Orsino Jun 2018 #11

I think that Trumpers have proven themselves to be bigots and idiots Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #19

And there weren't enough third-party to make them a big factor. Orsino Jun 2018 #23

Here is the role they play: their presence in a rigged campaign is to give the APPEARANCE .... Hekate Jun 2018 #78

We have the JPR group who probably read posts here LeftInTX Jun 2018 #41

I agree. shanny Jun 2018 #65

Someone posted outright the other day, "I don't blame Republican voters," Mariana Jun 2018 #88

Nonsense. Stein received more votes than Trump's margin in several states. NYC Liberal Jun 2018 #92

And pretending that Clinton would have won had Stein not run is still a non sequitur. Orsino Jun 2018 #185

Fuck no. Next question. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #13

... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #29

......... R B Garr Jun 2018 #37

Thank YOU! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #44

NO! Never forget, in hopes of never making the same mistake. jrthin Jun 2018 #14

what mistake? the mistake of counting on your opponents to drop out so the dem can win? yeah, TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #101

The same "mistake" of being SUCKERED in by FUCKING FECKLESS Cha Jun 2018 #159

Yeah, that's one reason to Shame their LIES.. maybe Cha Jun 2018 #160

I keep seeing threads like this. Do some people have guilty consciences? FSogol Jun 2018 #15

Hell No Locutusofborg Jun 2018 #16

I think that shaming them isn't the worst thing we can do world wide wally Jun 2018 #17

Exactly, WWW.. they need to be shamed just Cha Jun 2018 #157

The 3rd party/stay home crowd isn't solely to blame Blue_Tires Jun 2018 #20

No. LW1977 Jun 2018 #21

We have to have enough votes mrgorth Jun 2018 #22

Those idiots didn't vote or voted for Trump to display their outrage. They're too ... marble falls Jun 2018 #24

No. They already forgot the lesson of the 2000 election, whereas die-hard Rs... moriah Jun 2018 #25

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #102

You really think Dems are violating every principle they stand for? moriah Jun 2018 #103

Whatever it was.. they sound brainwashed bad. Cha Jun 2018 #155

I called out... N_E_1 for Tennis Jun 2018 #26

I tune them out but I'm sick of it too. Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #27

Ironically unproductive post! bettyellen Jun 2018 #46

just expressing my agreement with the op. Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #50

Just noting the amusing circular reasoning going on, I liked it... bettyellen Jun 2018 #80

get a life Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #141

Cranky and bossy today? HA bettyellen Jun 2018 #187

no, just not into being trolled 2 days in a row. Cobalt Violet Jun 2018 #190

Same! bettyellen Jun 2018 #191

No. NY_20th Jun 2018 #28

DU needs something to punch. And this is what we do... progressoid Jun 2018 #30

Nope, won't stop. And my reasons for this? ... JHan Jun 2018 #31

No, that's what they said in 2000. Cattledog Jun 2018 #32

What are you? The 50th brand new poster telling us who we can be mad at? Squinch Jun 2018 #33

Nah, not new, haven't posted in a while, but not new TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #136

I blame the stay at home crowd LeftInTX Jun 2018 #34

Didn't more Bernie voters vote for Hillary than Hillary voters voted for Obama in 2008? Ron Obvious Jun 2018 #35

I've seen this point made and I don't buy it... JHan Jun 2018 #38

all of this- I know a few friends who spewed for a whole year about HRC not being good enough, and bettyellen Jun 2018 #48

Thank You. Wwcd Jun 2018 #57

What do you think the progressive's agenda was? Nt. TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #62

To stop Hillary Clinton from becoming president at all costs. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #64

Exactly. As Mueller stated in his formal findings, only 2 people bennefitted from Wwcd Jun 2018 #72

Yes! Very well said! R B Garr Jun 2018 #172

You're welcome! bettyellen Jun 2018 #82

It was all a damn lie... JHan Jun 2018 #140

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #150

That the millionth time I've heard that self absolving excuse. Wwcd Jun 2018 #55

Sanders to Trump voters exceeded the margins of victory in WI, MI, and PA. lapucelle Jun 2018 #145

No way. greatauntoftriplets Jun 2018 #39

No EffieBlack Jun 2018 #40

They had a role TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #49

Ya. We all knew who the "actors" were. And still are today. Wwcd Jun 2018 #58

True, but when Hillary says it she's whining and not taking responsibility nt EffieBlack Jun 2018 #74

I think Putin is behind this latest surge of 2016 wackiness. lagomorph777 Jun 2018 #42

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #43

I'm still seeing posts like this one wryter2000 Jun 2018 #47

Can we? Yes. Will we? Alas, I predict No. Jim Lane Jun 2018 #52

I agree, but i don't think it'll stop. Beartracks Jun 2018 #53

Hell isn't that cold sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #54

There's certainly plenty of blame to go around Music Man Jun 2018 #56

Nope mcar Jun 2018 #60

some centrist have an inexplicable blind spot when it comes to blaming Republicans yurbud Jun 2018 #61

No MFM008 Jun 2018 #66

No, its constructive uponit7771 Jun 2018 #67

This is a Democratic website BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #68

I've always voted down the ticket for candidates w/ a D TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #73

IMHO BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #87

All the more reason to reach out to them rather than broadbrush all third party voters as the enemy. progressoid Jun 2018 #94

No way should anyone reach out to the 3rd parties on our 2016 Presidential ballot here in PA BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #97

So how'd that work out in 2016? progressoid Jun 2018 #100

It's called "social media bullshit" BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #108

Right. But I would expect you'll find those white so-called liberal suburban voters were just as progressoid Jun 2018 #120

That's what I am saying. BumRushDaShow Jun 2018 #125

People who weren't smart enough to vote for Hillary/Dems are probably not worth IronLionZion Jun 2018 #70

it should be obvious to all tiredtoo Jun 2018 #71

Nope! Anyone who's stupid enough to do it the first time, is too stupid to remember... NurseJackie Jun 2018 #75

No. Next question? Hekate Jun 2018 #76

Plenty of blame to go around. They deserve their share. Adrahil Jun 2018 #77

Thank you! KPN Jun 2018 #79

So many conspiracy theories, so little time! chesterslick Jun 2018 #83

IF the Republican fraud machine, IF the Russians, IF gerrymandering, IF voter purging DFW Jun 2018 #84

I wish I could call a spade a spade but WE have rules here. njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #85

The punching to the left thing is dangerous and ubiquitous here wonkwest Jun 2018 #89

! progressoid Jun 2018 #104

Thank you. Efilroft Sul Jun 2018 #112

I like that phrase wonkwest Jun 2018 #137

Thank you again. Efilroft Sul Jun 2018 #139

No! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #90

Why? G_j Jun 2018 #96

Fuck no. OBrien Jun 2018 #98

yep; many here act as if dems are ENTITLED to every left-of-center vote, regardless of their actions TheFrenchRazor Jun 2018 #99

No but voters have a responsibility Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #127

Some other election maybe... This election Hell, no Afromania Jun 2018 #105

Go away Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #106

So I'm not supposed to outraged that people voted for someone that sat dem4decades Jun 2018 #107

Hell no, not until every evil GOP/Trump policy is reversed in full!! workinclasszero Jun 2018 #110

NO! Many refused to listen /said mention of SCOTUS was "blackmail". oasis Jun 2018 #111

No. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #113

Sanders voters gave trump his margin of victory Gothmog Jun 2018 #115

"Mission Accomplished" Wwcd Jun 2018 #132

If you need to be "convinced" or "persuaded" Codeine Jun 2018 #119

the alt-left are Trump-lite radius777 Jun 2018 #121

I propose that all the DU posters who berate DUers for rightly placing partial blame on 3rd party seaglass Jun 2018 #123

We reached out in 2016, we were told to shut up & sit down Wwcd Jun 2018 #133

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jun 2018 #124

Odd post Trumpocalypse Jun 2018 #126

Yeah.. This is Democratic Underground.. NOT 3rd Party SHIT Underground. Cha Jun 2018 #144

Hey! I used the term "Independent Underground" just the other day ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #179

They're trying to give cover to the 3rd Party Cha Jun 2018 #183

No. Sunsky Jun 2018 #128

Nope sellitman Jun 2018 #129

Yea, it's all on them TheSocialDem Jun 2018 #134

Didn't say it was all on them.. they own a big chunk of it.. Cha Jun 2018 #143

"them" lol JNelson6563 Jun 2018 #135

Oh Shite.. you just brought up my rage again at the FUCKING Cha Jun 2018 #142

Dont try and interrupt their two minute hate man JackInGreen Jun 2018 #153

No. Many reasons - and nonDem voters are one big reason EndGOPPropaganda Jun 2018 #156

I don't think so lillypaddle Jun 2018 #173

Like Dorothy Day said, y'all... stlsaxman Jun 2018 #177

Hell no. We screamed at these people about what would happen Ninsianna Jun 2018 #178

+1 betsuni Jun 2018 #181

Some are outraged because they can't reach out to those voters without dropping yurbud Jun 2018 #188

... Scurrilous Jun 2018 #189

Sorry, but it isn't going to happen kcr Jun 2018 #192

I was almost a non-voter in 2016 End Of The Road Jun 2018 #193