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treestar

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70. You claimed Hillary would have "countered" the Republicans earlier
Tue Jan 3, 2012, 12:44 AM
Jan 2012

and that it would have led to what - a public option?

You are working pretty hard at avoiding specifics.

Please edit the OP to include Ron Paul BootinUp Jan 2012 #1
Why should the OP include Ron Paul? csziggy Jan 2012 #6
I thought it was a humorous suggestion BootinUp Jan 2012 #10
If you look at Paul's record... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #14
I try not to look at it too much BootinUp Jan 2012 #17
Decided to check my facts... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #32
Ronpaul Stiltskin is a crank. But, he is the fracking fluid, that the Libertarians will use, to own WingDinger Jan 2012 #88
If asked, I'm sure Ron would be proud that he's done jacksquat in Congress. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #101
It didn't come across that way - I guess I needed a sarcasm tag or something csziggy Jan 2012 #47
. BootinUp Jan 2012 #51
Thanks csziggy Jan 2012 #66
FWIW, I laughed. Zalatix Jan 2012 #111
Because Ron Paul is an asshole - like Nader jpak Jan 2012 #144
It's a hypothetical that cannot be answered... kentuck Jan 2012 #2
I Beg To Differ BeaufortPenguin Jan 2012 #37
+1 emilyg Jan 2012 #67
BZZZT Try again. If Obama was just as respected, why did he get more endorsements Kahuna Jan 2012 #84
Yeah, right. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #102
Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. Ineeda Jan 2012 #116
Can't criticize? Can't be unhappy? gristy Jan 2012 #3
on the contrary, it's entirely relevant. johnaries Jan 2012 #7
If you're never happy with Obama, that tends to suggest treestar Jan 2012 #33
Really? gristy Jan 2012 #59
You said "can't criticize? Can't be unhappy?" treestar Jan 2012 #65
All WHAT folks so unhappy with the Prez? ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #4
Actually, the criticism I've seen is far from "constructive". johnaries Jan 2012 #13
+1 treestar Jan 2012 #35
It's destructive criticism Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #105
+1 DCBob Jan 2012 #170
That's what's called willful ignorance. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #125
The willful ignorance was the 2010 election. Kurmudgeon Jan 2012 #134
The Dems turned out to vote. The wishy-washy "centrists" are the ones who stayed home. ClassWarrior Jan 2012 #135
I was thinking the same thing recently. femmocrat Jan 2012 #5
Since you asked, yes, I absolutely think Hillary would have been more effective. Far more effective. Skip Intro Jan 2012 #8
You mean Corporate Whore Hillary? johnaries Jan 2012 #19
Obviously, I don't share your opinion. nt Skip Intro Jan 2012 #40
Geithner, Summers, Rubin, Bernanke, Emanuel. NCTraveler Jan 2012 #138
+1 lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #155
"corporate whore hillary" paulk Jan 2012 #145
You think either Hillary or Obama would have been able to control the "repub attack machine?" treestar Jan 2012 #36
Didn't say that. She surely would have countered it, though, sooner and more forcefully than Obama Skip Intro Jan 2012 #44
On what date would she have "countered it" treestar Jan 2012 #48
wow Skip Intro Jan 2012 #56
You claimed Hillary would have "countered" the Republicans earlier treestar Jan 2012 #70
Remember "Hillarycare"? Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #106
Revisionism. You claim Hilalry would have never let the Kahuna Jan 2012 #87
hmmm... I was just thinkng this LadyInAZ Jan 2012 #89
Fully agree. n/t lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #153
So you want a answer do ya? RegieRocker Jan 2012 #9
Kathy Bates DJ13 Jan 2012 #12
Obama started in the middle onb too many issues. And worried more about..... Logical Jan 2012 #11
I think he started out more to the right. girl gone mad Jan 2012 #20
I was being nice! :-) Logical Jan 2012 #22
Those are perfectly valid behaviors for someone who is cooperative. joshcryer Jan 2012 #41
I think its the opposite mr_liberal Jan 2012 #24
The Health Care bill was far left?? LOL.....ever heard of single payer? That is far left..... Logical Jan 2012 #26
Left wing economists wanted more stimulus mr_liberal Jan 2012 #29
"ever heard of single payer? That is far left....." Charlemagne Jan 2012 #52
Single Payer is NOT "Far Left". bvar22 Jan 2012 #133
Among primary candidates, his healthcare proposal was the least progressive. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #152
A more moderate candidate mr_liberal Jan 2012 #15
Other than standing on his head and saying "Simon says" what more could he possibly Douglas Carpenter Jan 2012 #92
Nice try. Obama TOOK the bipartisan, moderate tack. Half his proposals used to be GOP "alternatives" Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #107
Hillary BeaufortPenguin Jan 2012 #16
What do you think Hillary would have done differently? octothorpe Jan 2012 #46
She would have stated what she wanted from a healthcare plan and pushed it. lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #149
Now, come on folks... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #18
And who cares? RetroLounge Jan 2012 #25
But then what else will they post? Number23 Jan 2012 #57
There is a world, a parallel earth, where all those people BECAME president nadinbrzezinski Jan 2012 #21
"Is there anyone who could have done a better job" RetroLounge Jan 2012 #23
????? that was the LAST square? Skittles Jan 2012 #60
Yup RetroLounge Jan 2012 #63
one of them told me the other day Skittles Jan 2012 #71
Good God - how lame can emilyg Jan 2012 #76
Howard Dean. krispos42 Jan 2012 #27
+1,000 (nt) Autumn Colors Jan 2012 #31
just one of MANY Skittles Jan 2012 #61
Dunno about "many", but it's definitely more than just one or two. krispos42 Jan 2012 #74
+1000 RetroLounge Jan 2012 #64
Right there Autumn Jan 2012 #118
Yep. n/t SmellyFeet Jan 2012 #162
"Is there anyone who could have done a better job..." unkachuck Jan 2012 #28
FWIW you might look at the make up of Congress under FDR. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jan 2012 #34
Big difference between the two. FDR, for example, didn't choose a Geithner-type appointee. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #53
Henry Morgenthau, FDR's Treasury Secretary Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #108
Dern. n/t Bolo Boffin Jan 2012 #115
"Morgenthau used his position as Treasury chief to investigate organized crime and government corrup AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #139
That's not what I was responding to. Old and In the Way Jan 2012 #147
(1) I was around in 1945. (2) FDR was the best and I never would have trashed anything that he did. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #159
Sure, Democratic Party and Media support notwithstanding. (nt) (nr) T S Justly Jan 2012 #30
You're not going to like this whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #38
mediocre candy bar Charlemagne Jan 2012 #54
...and would not be allowed to be elected or even allowed to play in the reindeer games. RUMMYisFROSTED Jan 2012 #127
nope, Obama has done exactly what they paid him to do FirstLight Jan 2012 #39
Best answer on the board. russspeakeasy Jan 2012 #42
o no u din't getdown Jan 2012 #43
two sides of the same corporate coin RetroLounge Jan 2012 #68
Paid to "keep the liberals quiet"? Some complain that he's not doing that job well enough. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #160
How is any of that relevant? I mean seriously, even if Barack Obama was the best President Puregonzo1188 Jan 2012 #45
I don't think we are talking of things that are quite the same treestar Jan 2012 #50
No one said 'shut up and accept slavery'? I don't think the slaves would agree with that. Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #124
Just another one of those "best we could do" posts. I voted for Hillary. cherokeeprogressive Jan 2012 #49
That we can never know is precisely what an Existential Dilemma is. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #55
True... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #58
Dean is not only smart, but he would have been a liberal. Sigh. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #62
Oh, I forgot... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #69
He is not a liberal nor a progressive, no. Bonobo Jan 2012 #72
Ah hah! Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #78
The President is an opponent of equal rights for some minorities due to his religion Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #123
Shame DU was for Kerry. joshcryer Jan 2012 #73
I was not. But I wish I had supported Dean. nt Bonobo Jan 2012 #75
You were right in this post: joshcryer Jan 2012 #80
WTF was I thinking with Clark... But actually, I think I know. Bonobo Jan 2012 #85
I don't think that's fair. He did exactly what he said he'd do, and that makes him a chameleon? joshcryer Jan 2012 #90
Could be you are right. Could be my powers of self-delusion were bigger Bonobo Jan 2012 #95
That hurts me though, this is DU, we aren't suposed to be "kool-aid" drinkers. joshcryer Jan 2012 #98
A man dying of thirst will happily drink kool-aid. Bonobo Jan 2012 #100
Oh, I do think it was very calculating. I think it was brilliant. It was the greatest... joshcryer Jan 2012 #103
I have come to understand you much better through this exchange. Bonobo Jan 2012 #104
what are you talking about? paulk Jan 2012 #146
There was a very loud "Kerry is the only one electable" contingent on this board. joshcryer Jan 2012 #168
someone who had more experience working with Congress paulk Jan 2012 #77
Who, on the Democratic side of the aisle... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #81
should I take you seriously? paulk Jan 2012 #83
How many days... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #86
"anyone left of Obama" paulk Jan 2012 #91
That's not asking, that's lecturing. LeftyMom Jan 2012 #79
I'm impatient... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #82
Inpatience and rudeness are not the same thing, althoug I think the OFA teaches that Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #122
This is dumb MFrohike Jan 2012 #93
Absolutely right. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #140
I think the OP is missing the point. Xicano Jan 2012 #94
Bingo! Fearless Jan 2012 #96
Finally, the correct answer, woo me with science Jan 2012 #114
You're right about Hillary Clinton attracting more heat and resistance from the right. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #97
The right wing hates Hilary but they don't hate her as much as having EFerrari Jan 2012 #99
Just my observation based on what I saw in the summer of 2008. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #112
why would you assume it "upsets" someone? paulk Jan 2012 #151
Your mother makes a valid point. JohnnyRingo Jan 2012 #163
I'm still trying to figure out how she fit inside the ballot box paulk Jan 2012 #164
Oh, I understand. EFerrari Jan 2012 #166
Jesus. Short attention span much? lumberjack_jeff Jan 2012 #150
He made the mistake of thinking he could win over the mythical "middle" and get the GOP to work with Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #109
Who could have done better? Al Gore. Warren DeMontague Jan 2012 #110
Yes, Jesus. Rex Jan 2012 #113
AMEN!!!!!!! nt mfcorey1 Jan 2012 #117
Anyone who is not dogmatically and idotically opposed to equal rights for minorities Bluenorthwest Jan 2012 #119
Sadly NO. GeorgeGist Jan 2012 #120
Depends on your prospective. mmonk Jan 2012 #121
About as well put as can be madokie Jan 2012 #126
I'll take the bait. Yes, Kucinich WOULD have done better. Jim Lane Jan 2012 #128
Here! Since we're "hypothesizing", have one of these.... Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #132
Agreed with respect to Kucinich. But there were no Republican filibusters. None. Zero. Zilch. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #141
That is incorrect... Bob Wallace Jan 2012 #142
Actually, the usual excuse is that there are not enough votes to satisfy the Senate Rule 22 cloture AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #154
That is what SHOULD have happened Betty Karlson Jan 2012 #156
Since you seem to have answered your own.. 99Forever Jan 2012 #129
Dean. Iggo Jan 2012 #130
Darcy Richardson! There I said it! Tarheel_Dem Jan 2012 #131
Well, as a non-stop campaigner for the office he's aces. Tierra_y_Libertad Jan 2012 #136
The guy who won the Democratic Primary in 2008 would have done a better job. bvar22 Jan 2012 #137
That guy was really something. What the hell happened? comipinko Jan 2012 #143
What happened to that guy? I hear that he's getting ready to make a comeback. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #158
i think Kucinich may have done better barbtries Jan 2012 #148
It's a silly question. One doesn't have to have an alternative to criticize. jeff47 Jan 2012 #157
It's a meaningless question. Aleric Jan 2012 #161
I believe that Rep. Kucinich could have done a much better job. Zorra Jan 2012 #165
You assume that the desired goal is to attempt to improve. Sirveri Jan 2012 #167
Anyone without a bipartisanship fetish would be an upgrade. TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #169
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