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I feel the same way, but I feel we're separating evolutionarily. JaneyVee Aug 2012 #1
Interesting. As I travel, the people I see do seem very different, region by region superstring1 Aug 2012 #138
I actually have felt more at home in Europe than I have in certain regions of the U.S. smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #182
I've noticed that too, now more so than ever. BTW RKP5637 Aug 2012 #184
Having lived in several regions of the country, PatSeg Aug 2012 #230
Well said, Pat. nt gateley Aug 2012 #299
No. Just one big nation in decline because of greed and hate. nt nanabugg Aug 2012 #296
Yup, been singing this song and dance for a while nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #2
So the Left Coast can finally become Cascadia? 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #37
Seven Nations of North America is a good read nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #40
Always nice to be reminded of the potential upsides 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #87
It's old, but one of the first in the modern period to delve into that nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #171
Compared to what other parts? n/t NEOBuckeye Aug 2012 #89
Southern California coastal. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #170
About the Book canEHdian Aug 2012 #187
Lemme check, got it in the bookshelf. nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #188
what makes you think a divided US would be any more independent of the banksters than a united HiPointDem Aug 2012 #107
Exactly. RadiationTherapy Aug 2012 #150
My post was mostly in jest 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #271
Ecotopia....from way back. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #139
I love the USA, but if the "indivisible" becomes divisible, Aristus Aug 2012 #173
Please don't leave without taking New England with you. millijac Aug 2012 #261
That would be quite a gerrymandering trick 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #270
take Cascadia...please backwoodsbob Aug 2012 #266
Deal! ~nt 99th_Monkey Aug 2012 #269
Looking at it another way dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #3
Exactly right. zentrum Aug 2012 #44
+1 Dont_Bogart_the_Pretzel Aug 2012 #49
A nuclear-armed Confederacy? F-ck no! leveymg Aug 2012 #84
They'll still be on the dole to us, we use that to insist on disarming them. diane in sf Aug 2012 #98
Look how hard it is to get them to just give up assault rifles and large volume magazines! leveymg Aug 2012 #101
The South is on the dole? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #145
Blue states tabasco Aug 2012 #206
Have you ever noticed... bvar22 Aug 2012 #242
Shhhhhhhh..once "they" find out it is a paradise down here dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #246
I'm in... tosh Aug 2012 #257
Mosquito Coast.... dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #268
I've only heard it come from a handfull of people down towards the Ozarks. xmas74 Aug 2012 #291
but what about the heat!?? How do you stand it? Auntie Bush Aug 2012 #294
It ain't the heat, it's the humidity. Sometimes. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #295
Nonsense, I recently posted just such a claim demwing Aug 2012 #281
What is nonsense? bvar22 Aug 2012 #283
I'm sorry, but your claim was nonsense. You wrote: demwing Aug 2012 #292
Anyone can find a mirror. bvar22 Aug 2012 #318
And some people can be shown a window demwing Aug 2012 #319
Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! ncgrits Aug 2012 #289
Spot on! Thank you. cordelia Aug 2012 #297
The "them" and "they" and "us" cordelia Aug 2012 #298
Works to the Repubs advantage..the more infighting here dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #308
Or we just close the existing military bases in the South and let them have their own nation. This jwirr Aug 2012 #194
True, look for humans in North America and elsewhere to clamp down on them, as with Iran superstring1 Aug 2012 #140
We would kick their asses. Again. smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #190
I like the alternative-history subgenre liberalhistorian Aug 2012 #312
I agree, we can use our blue money to make them behave diane in sf Aug 2012 #96
Didn't take long for the South bashing to begin. cordelia Aug 2012 #119
How is Posting FACTS bashing???? ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #122
Facts? cordelia Aug 2012 #124
That's right! EastTennesseeDem Aug 2012 #262
Maybe just awareness -- not being in denial superstring1 Aug 2012 #141
oh really? mighty broad brush you paint with. oklahoma? michigan? arizona? wyoming? spanone Aug 2012 #134
The South is NOT a uniform collection of mouth breathers, you DO know that, right? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #142
+10,000 smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #185
Maybe you should stop believing in stereotypes and you wouldn't be so scared. Fawke Em Aug 2012 #214
Sigh... Fawke Em Aug 2012 #211
it's interesting because i was watching "the revolution" on netflix ejpoeta Aug 2012 #121
If you want another perspective, dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #146
i will have to look for it. i bet that's an interesting perspective! thanks! ejpoeta Aug 2012 #313
There has been a divide since the Civil War, or the Jawja Aug 2012 #143
Key word, "Ancestors." Fawke Em Aug 2012 #216
Grew up in Alabama ThoughtCriminal Aug 2012 #273
That, is an excellent way of putting it !!! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #191
Naaah. I don't see that at all. MADem Aug 2012 #4
A lot of us see that in the not very distant future. braddy Aug 2012 #5
I look forward to it. Zalatix Aug 2012 #6
As much as I'd really like to see these ass-clowns secede to their own little right wing rat holes, meanit Aug 2012 #19
I appreciate the beliefs of a united America, but it is as impractical as a united world. Zalatix Aug 2012 #45
"The Confederates"???????? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #149
That response is sarcasm, right? Zalatix Aug 2012 #157
I am not ignorant of Republicans down here dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #177
Historical note of support for you. C. Vann Woodward (in "The Strange Career coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #210
Yes, was aware of that. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #223
They tend to overlook LBJ, Carter, Clinton, Gore mentalsolstice Aug 2012 #251
Historical Note, The south didn't need Jim Crow laws to control people who were still slaves Progressive dog Aug 2012 #280
Jeez, this really isn't a case of the 'he did it too' argument 'from the south.' (I live in coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #311
There are those who see the world as binary, with a razor sharp dividing line between the two halves cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #250
Gee, how can we unite to defeat Republicans dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #253
The US government doesn't have the wherewithal to move ANY group to a geographical location they cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #76
You're totally distorting what I said. I said nothing about forced relocations, nothing whatsoever. Zalatix Aug 2012 #92
NO REASON for Conservatives to live in Liberal America - Money Quote ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #100
"Kim Jong Un with a mullet and southern accent" Earth Bound Misfit Aug 2012 #103
Picture me, laughing myself blue. I nominate that one for a DUZy. Zalatix Aug 2012 #112
Yep. Build a fence. Strict border control. Ship illegals out. superstring1 Aug 2012 #144
You do realize some of us liberal Southerners stay for a variety of reasons, right? Fawke Em Aug 2012 #222
+++++++++ cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #240
Hey. F#@k that. Said with a SOUTHERN accent. ncgrits Aug 2012 #290
Bullshit. Read the first sentence of your post. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #208
Oh for the love of God, seriously? Zalatix Aug 2012 #215
Distorting what you said? enlightenment Aug 2012 #212
Shit, I've seen equivocations here that would make 16th-Century coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #220
Perhaps economics plays a bigger factor KansDem Aug 2012 #151
Kansas is changing drastically IMO. Often i wonder too if more RKP5637 Aug 2012 #199
I left Kansas four years ago. SheilaT Aug 2012 #244
Yep, I'm realizing that more and more that no place seems perfect, and RKP5637 Aug 2012 #288
I think Kansas has been pretty conservative for quite a long time. Brown vs. Topeka, after all, coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #225
I grew up in Long Beach... KansDem Aug 2012 #272
"I think Kansas has been pretty conservative for quite a long time." KansDem Aug 2012 #274
I suspect we may stay united in some type of military alliance for safeties sake. It is the goals of jwirr Aug 2012 #207
The red states can't make it on their own. They get too many Federal dollars Lex Aug 2012 #7
Yes. zentrum Aug 2012 #47
How much per capita do the red and blue states get? dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #152
Here's the facts on that. And relax, 'red States' are spread around much of the nation, West Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #158
I was replying to a poster who made the assertion dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #175
I know you feel that it was south bashing nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #178
What cultural differences? Fawke Em Aug 2012 #226
For instance the value of things like ecological preservation nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #231
Yes, an interesting question JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #163
According to the maps dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #183
The map categories are very broad Ednahilda Aug 2012 #205
No, Alabama takes back $1.62 for every $1 of tax paid. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #277
Read the numbers at the bottom jeff47 Aug 2012 #316
Outstanding graphic! CrispyQ Aug 2012 #195
pls see the map in post 163. dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #186
I'm not sure you read the bottom of that map correctly. Son of Gob Aug 2012 #279
Perhaps there is merit to dividing the USA. SDjack Aug 2012 #8
I do not believe that is happening. Tx4obama Aug 2012 #9
Who is Governor there? Zalatix Aug 2012 #46
Texas will be purple in a generation demwing Aug 2012 #181
I wonder if eventually international corporations take the place of nations aint_no_life_nowhere Aug 2012 #10
You ever read "Snow Crash" by Neil Stephenson? XemaSab Aug 2012 #15
That's exactly what I was thinking of. white_wolf Aug 2012 #26
What is it about? Not in a position to get books easily - even from the library which is ten miles. jwirr Aug 2012 #217
Here's the Wiki piece on it gateley Aug 2012 #306
Thank you. jwirr Aug 2012 #320
Add to your list "The Unincorporated Man." nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #41
And the original "Rollerball," starring James Caan. Masterful. Bette Noir Aug 2012 #72
Thanks for the reference Bragi Aug 2012 #162
Yes. Great book! gateley Aug 2012 #305
Makes me think of "He, She and It" by Marge Piercy suffragette Aug 2012 #203
Lots of people hope it'll happen, but I don't think it's logistical. tridim Aug 2012 #11
+1,000,000 Tom Ripley Aug 2012 #51
Some DUers have longed for anarchy forever JNelson6563 Aug 2012 #164
Can i please be part of where DU is going to be? darkangel218 Aug 2012 #12
+++ 1,000 +++ Same Here! n/t RKP5637 Aug 2012 #63
Why? We've been through much worse. Seriously. Get a grip. Edweird Aug 2012 #13
I'm sorry I see the hate and just craziness and that professors words keep echoing in my mind. Justice wanted Aug 2012 #55
Yeah, not a big history buff are ya? Edweird Aug 2012 #130
Who would keep the south afloat? chknltl Aug 2012 #14
If Texas secedes, who keeps Mexico from annexing it? Bette Noir Aug 2012 #73
I suspect the good citizens of the country of Texas might have a say. chknltl Aug 2012 #97
One supposes the Texans can take take of themselves... KansDem Aug 2012 #125
Who cares? superstring1 Aug 2012 #135
Well, Mexico has enough problems to even think about it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #180
They would never do that. That would mean that the Palin family would have to become smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #198
I can see five: Chipper Chat Aug 2012 #16
Im going to be part of gulfica :) darkangel218 Aug 2012 #24
Nah. Chipper Chat Aug 2012 #25
:p darkangel218 Aug 2012 #28
Coors is loaded with beaver piss. I have been to the headwaters and saw it for my self. nt SDjack Aug 2012 #123
That is so not true! darkangel218 Aug 2012 #153
No. Thats not true. bvar22 Aug 2012 #258
I agree. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #35
South Manitoba, please. MNBrewer Aug 2012 #43
Adorable. You see Florida ruling Puerto Rico and Cuba. aquart Aug 2012 #66
what about NY and NJ? Sanity Claws Aug 2012 #110
I believe NJ, MD, Del DoC, Pa and NY is included in what Chipper Chat describes Fla Dem Aug 2012 #160
Yes, I like Atlantica too and we would probably include New England since we smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #201
mormanica is totally going to be drug cartel territory BOG PERSON Aug 2012 #224
I call your 5 and raise you 4 more demwing Aug 2012 #248
There is no country that will form that will tabasco Aug 2012 #275
Gullfucka - LoL Chipper Chat Aug 2012 #285
Very interesting....... A Russian economist saw the USA breaking up into 4 or 5 "countries'. This firenewt Aug 2012 #17
I have wondered the same thing more than once. cbrer Aug 2012 #18
The seperation is not along geographical lines johnd83 Aug 2012 #20
Actually, it's far more of a city vs. rural divide more than anything else. Lex Aug 2012 #21
No, it isn't city/country johnd83 Aug 2012 #23
Sorry, my friend, you're wrong Lex Aug 2012 #31
But it's conservative only fiscal.... WCGreen Aug 2012 #56
I had a recent discussion with one of those. Warren Stupidity Aug 2012 #118
:( darkangel218 Aug 2012 #22
There is also no way our military and MIC would allow the country to break up johnd83 Aug 2012 #27
This ^^^ kentauros Aug 2012 #317
Not going to happen - we fought our bloodiest war over this. Pirate Smile Aug 2012 #29
Brandeis University History Professor David Hackett Fischer suggests four distint countries Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #30
Excuse me? The Southwest has Spanish/Mexican roots, not British. Bette Noir Aug 2012 #77
Albion's Seed mostly deals with the English seed nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #169
Yeah, I love when people refer to Los Angeles as a late comer to American history.. left coaster Aug 2012 #202
No, he does not. Albion's Seed does not suggest the making of new natons at all Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #165
Alaska should be part of Canada. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #32
You just want their health care. Bette Noir Aug 2012 #78
Well, yeah, there's that, Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #94
But politically Alaska is very different from Canada, why is that? Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #172
We did elect a democrat to the Senate last time around, Mark Begich, Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #256
Right on Bette. sarcasmo Aug 2012 #131
ONLY after it's put to a vote. n/t cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #85
No. We bought that land fair and square from Russia. JVS Aug 2012 #137
Most of it does. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #254
Canada wouldn't want Alaska as long as Sarah Palin still lived ther. n/t Fla Dem Aug 2012 #161
We don't know where she is. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #255
bad as it seems it's nothing compared to the way the u.s. was throughout the 1800s. unblock Aug 2012 #33
We already had a civil war /nt still_one Aug 2012 #34
Up here in Oregon, Washington & B.C., the Cascadia Independence movement... Speck Tater Aug 2012 #36
I think Cascadia could take Southeast Alaska (the Panhandle) Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #39
From San Francisco to Juneau. Comrade Grumpy Aug 2012 #57
Yes, Juneau is a liberal little bastion down there in Southeast Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #95
Gosh, how brilliantly successful it's been. aquart Aug 2012 #68
That would require people working together and making sacrifices - fat chance. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #38
There have always been forces for separation, from the very beginning bhikkhu Aug 2012 #42
Yep. aquart Aug 2012 #71
Nnnnnnope. cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #48
IT MUST NOT BE ALLOWED!!!! The Traveler Aug 2012 #50
Nobody said "kicking out the South", they left on their own last time just1voice Aug 2012 #70
Have a plebiscite. Honor the vote. Use the dissolution model of Czechoslovakia. SDjack Aug 2012 #154
Here's the dividing line, dating back to the 1820 Missouri Compromise just1voice Aug 2012 #52
That is the approximate northern limit of malaria-carrying mosquitoes bhikkhu Aug 2012 #58
Sadly, that was a factor in slavery just1voice Aug 2012 #88
Sometimes... mzteris Aug 2012 #53
Well shit, 200 years from now who the hell knows what the world will look like... Drunken Irishman Aug 2012 #54
I see the following scenario happening. airplaneman Aug 2012 #59
You know, I was thinking about that earlier today, was thinking of RKP5637 Aug 2012 #60
Oh, what nonsense. And it's separate. aquart Aug 2012 #61
Read some history, starting with the Missouri Compromise and then the Civil War just1voice Aug 2012 #65
+1 nt Codeine Aug 2012 #218
It is not hysteria, more and more SERIOUS people are talking about it nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #243
NM will have to rejoin Mexico Warpy Aug 2012 #62
No you stay with us Colorado folks. DevonRex Aug 2012 #282
Nah, Colorado would probably join Mexico with us Warpy Aug 2012 #287
Beware of Dominionists! YOHABLO Aug 2012 #64
+1 TrogL Aug 2012 #315
Free Vermont!!! limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #67
Here is how it will look ;) Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #69
Very interesting. I would have thought there would have been more protestant denominations smirkymonkey Aug 2012 #209
That map can be deceiving Art_from_Ark Aug 2012 #314
Won't happen BBGC Aug 2012 #74
Oh My Yeah Its Spin Aug 2012 #81
Yes, I am BBGC Aug 2012 #228
That the riots won't start until we lose cable and The Colonel's food, I suspect is true. jtuck004 Aug 2012 #99
As always, your comments are dixiegrrrrl Aug 2012 #197
""The vast majority of people have the intellectual capacity of a goldfish." Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #179
This message was self-deleted by its author BBGC Aug 2012 #232
You know.... BBGC Aug 2012 #235
People should read about what was happening between Missouri & Kansas Pirate Smile Aug 2012 #75
silly stuff. silly season. cali Aug 2012 #79
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #80
As long as we have open borders, I don't really care. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #82
You make a good point, but I imagine the fervor that would go with creating new countries pampango Aug 2012 #111
No sense in starting a new country NoPasaran Aug 2012 #241
Well, lets think about his for a second. Incitatus Aug 2012 #83
One of them is the Duchy Of Grand Fenwick. Kablooie Aug 2012 #86
Can it be divided up into 300,000,000? Trillo Aug 2012 #90
Our biggest divide in this country is uberwealthy vs. everyone else. Marr Aug 2012 #91
+1. HiPointDem Aug 2012 #106
I agree but I don't think people see it the way they should - TBF Aug 2012 #159
+1 leftstreet Aug 2012 #237
+10000 ...Yes, and the wealthy woo me with science Aug 2012 #302
Oddly enough, the Washington Monthly talked about this in July agentS Aug 2012 #93
It is in the air nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #196
Why a divided America is in our future - Ask yourself this question first ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #102
Yes, but the values of Vermont are not so different cali Aug 2012 #104
A common language????? ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #105
yes, sweetie, a common language. cali Aug 2012 #108
We might be one country today but I am going to endeavor ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #109
lol. so you think you can change us from a union cali Aug 2012 #114
I wish I had that power to do it myself ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #120
wow--your screen name fits zazen Aug 2012 #127
Anger can be power if one knows how it use it ChickFullofHate Aug 2012 #129
"ChickFullofHate" Great DU Name? NoPasaran Aug 2012 #238
"Ole Dubya" was born in Connecticut and edumacated at Yale NoPasaran Aug 2012 #116
My goodness... Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2012 #174
Since I'm an actual Southerner and not the stereotype you have bought into... Fawke Em Aug 2012 #234
All the friction between us Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #113
Your armed forces are fully unified, so it won't happen muriel_volestrangler Aug 2012 #115
Not a chance. Apocalyptic fantasy. randome Aug 2012 #117
We're back to the threat of the country fracturing and the parts making war on each other. no_hypocrisy Aug 2012 #126
At least California should split into two. Vattel Aug 2012 #128
Well the south sticks together then they can have their religion and what they southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #132
Or we are seeing a national party forced to conform to anti-federalist rhetoric HereSince1628 Aug 2012 #133
Agree. In fact, given an existing situation that won't change, I like it superstring1 Aug 2012 #136
The actual geographic divide is overwhelmingly rural versus urban Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #147
The Northeast is pretty damn blue cali Aug 2012 #148
A national precinct map would even show the point stronger. Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #156
If you could get a map divided by city/county, you'd see even more speckles. Fawke Em Aug 2012 #239
Agreed. Baitball Blogger Aug 2012 #155
This morning on the local news they were Skidmore Aug 2012 #166
Minnesota has been trheatening to secede to Canada for generations. n/t kickysnana Aug 2012 #167
I'm sorry but the posts here about splitting up America d_r Aug 2012 #168
Sadly, there's a large contingent here at DU Ishoutandscream2 Aug 2012 #176
Agreed. Believing the country can split up is a 'simpler' solution... randome Aug 2012 #192
yes it is d_r Aug 2012 #219
I suspect there is one difference. Most of us are asking if it will happen not wishing for it. jwirr Aug 2012 #221
My state's pretty damn blue cali Aug 2012 #252
a split could only occur if people in a definable geographic area believed that they were going to Douglas Carpenter Aug 2012 #189
Nothing lasts forever. NOTHING. Curtland1015 Aug 2012 #193
Sign me up. Where do I sign up? Please, please, sign me up now. Zorra Aug 2012 #200
That is utopia nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #204
I see no other reason to split the country other than to get rid of conservatives. Zorra Aug 2012 #259
Congratulations in engaging in the same eliminationist rethoric they do nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #260
Thank you! Excellent news that conservatives want to split also. Zorra Aug 2012 #309
Religion, ethnicity nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #310
Me too. I'd be happy to secede. tblue Aug 2012 #229
Wow this is a long thread BootinUp Aug 2012 #213
The factions are at each others throats and bullying is a big factor. Lint Head Aug 2012 #227
...AND you can find them in every geographical part of the US. bvar22 Aug 2012 #263
There is no sigle united American culture or ethnicity. Odin2005 Aug 2012 #233
We are not enemies, but friends. NoPasaran Aug 2012 #236
The South is beautiful, bvar22 Aug 2012 #245
The book I wish everyone would read is SheilaT Aug 2012 #247
I have... and it is Toynbee for the American people nadinbrzezinski Aug 2012 #265
Generations and Fourth Turning kurt_cagle Aug 2012 #286
The stupidity never ends... cherokeeprogressive Aug 2012 #249
This is just creative speculation, Cherokee. Blue_In_AK Aug 2012 #264
Unlikely to happen 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #267
Gotta love ideas like this, they always get the same responses just1voice Aug 2012 #276
What we are seeing is a country evolving lunatica Aug 2012 #278
Breakup kurt_cagle Aug 2012 #284
I think the fantasy is more of a wishful thinking method of being rid of TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #293
Dude,where's my car? deaniac21 Aug 2012 #300
Better Off without 'Em: A Northern Manifesto for Southern Secession Ian David Aug 2012 #301
And what else could this professor of yours tell you about this country in the year 2150? onenote Aug 2012 #303
I knew 2150 rang a bell. Nye Bevan Aug 2012 #304
100 - 150 years is a very long time. SnohoDem Aug 2012 #307
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