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Adrahil

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135. It's not unreasonable...

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Sat Jun 9, 2018, 09:04 PM

Jun 2018

... to expect a candidate seeking the party’s nomination to be a member of the party.

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DNC Rule Change: Want Dem nomination for President? Must be a Democrat and run and serve as a Dem [View all] stevenleser Jun 2018 OP

Fair enough Zambero Jun 2018 #1

Open primaries and disenfranchising caucuses need to be ditched also. brush Jun 2018 #222

"run and serve" How will this apply to Manchin? leftstreet Jun 2018 #2

Clap louder. theaocp Jun 2018 #5

Myopic BS that gave us candidates that are besties with payday lenders and private prisons pecosbob Jun 2018 #141

This isn't complicated. Register as a Democrat, stay that way, and caucus with Democrats. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #7

I don't think there is a way to Register as a Dem in, say, Vermont. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #98

Sen. Leahy is a Democrat. nt brer cat Jun 2018 #121

This comes up all the time, but Patrick Leahy has RUN as a Democrat for decades. See: George II Jun 2018 #122

That's not the same as *registering* as a Dem, which is what SL wanted in the comment I replied to. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #127

But this entire discussion is about candidates... George II Jun 2018 #128

Yes there is too...that is simply untrue. Sen. Sander is running in the Democratic primary Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #149

You can RUN as a Dem without REGISTERING as a Dem. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #159

He could register if he chose...in fact he did in 16 and promised to remain a Dem...it is on google. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #166

Not in Vermont, though. I think it was NH? thesquanderer Jun 2018 #172

Ahhh...fyi, there is a Democratic Party in Vermont. A certain senator... brush Jun 2018 #223

You cannot "register" as a Democrat, that was my point. But also... thesquanderer Jun 2018 #227

He has the Circle D on his jersey. n/t QC Jun 2018 #23

It's West fucking Virginia... I'll take it! And I'll be glad to have it! It is what it is. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #66

Would you take a left-leaning indie in a really blue state? leftstreet Jun 2018 #85

I think this means Presidential nominees Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #90

Is that putative candidate a registered Democrat already? Hekate Jun 2018 #91

If they caucus with the Dems, they give you the same numbers as if they were Dems (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #97

Not for purposes of electing Speaker of the House or Senate Majority Leader Hekate Jun 2018 #106

I don't believe in open primaries and if you won't join the party...I won't caucus with you. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #164

All the Dems in Congress have a different perspective. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #173

No. George II Jun 2018 #123

Absolutely not. I vote for Democrats. The lefty leaning independent can fuck off. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #151

No, I mean if they join the party leftstreet Jun 2018 #153

Manchin is a Democrat...dangerous ground there...I will vote for Democrats but not independents. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #165

Excellent! leftstreet Jun 2018 #178

+10000 and AMEN! skylucy Jun 2018 #108

Personally, I think the Manchin haters brer cat Jun 2018 #142

I've had posts removed for talking about Manchin. pecosbob Jun 2018 #140

He is a Democrat and if we are to get a majority, or even hold the line we need red state Democrats. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #152

Well, this IS Democratic Underground, and the ground rules are PatrickforO Jun 2018 #209

I met Jimmy Carter twice while he was in office and I was in the service pecosbob Jun 2018 #211

No, don't lurk! You're cool. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #213

I was not quite old enough to vote but even I knew then that Reagan was pulling the strings on the ChrisTee Jun 2018 #239

Indeed. Same thing with Nixon, though I was in my early teens at that time. PatrickforO Jun 2018 #243

I was in northern California and I have always been politically/current events oriented. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #246

Manchin is a Democrat who is fighting a tough battle...He is a Democrat. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #148

Indeed. n/t progressoid Jun 2018 #171

Good. highplainsdem Jun 2018 #3

I agree. kstewart33 Jun 2018 #100

What a charade. theaocp Jun 2018 #4

The "fascists" are only laughing because a divisive primary race allowed Trump to win. stevenleser Jun 2018 #6

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #10

Take back the media. theaocp Jun 2018 #30

Yep. That too. nt Susan Calvin Jun 2018 #150

Right on! True Blue American Jun 2018 #94

Sounds like someone here is refighting the primaries. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #99

Sounds like someone is making a threat. Blue_true Jun 2018 #115

Nope, I didn't alert on it. I think it breaks the rule, though. (n/t) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #118

Current news why is this difficult MrPool Jun 2018 #206

The OP is current news. The post I was replying to was not. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #217

"And the party is more than just the DNC." - AMEN! Susan Calvin Jun 2018 #235

Find just one time when he has said something nice about MrPool Jun 2018 #249

Well, he has said nice things about Hillary Clinton. ;-) thesquanderer Jun 2018 #257

That is not why Trump won. Susan Calvin Jun 2018 #147

Not the thumb on the scale BS again. Hillary won by 4 million votes. It wasn't close. stevenleser Jun 2018 #221

So there was no need for the thumb. nt Susan Calvin Jun 2018 #234

There was no thumb. This is made up BS. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #236

No, not really "made up BS" - take that up with.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #266

That's not a thumb on scale. First of all that's her opinion, which she took back and said was wrong stevenleser Jun 2018 #272

The only thumb on the scale was against Hillary. Ninsianna Jun 2018 #250

Here is a thumb HRC had not many recognize.HRC had to coddle Sanders and his supporters while ChrisTee Jun 2018 #253

This is a lie MrPool Jun 2018 #256

Oh please. I was alive and paying attention. Susan Calvin Jun 2018 #260

No, you weren't paying attention. You invented reasons for your candidate losing because stevenleser Jun 2018 #262

OFFS. Susan Calvin Jun 2018 #284

This revionist history now.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #267

Your attempt to nullify what the voters chose is what is insulting. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #273

Your attempt to recruit the ill informed/ underinformed disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #275

This message was self-deleted by its author redgreenandblue Jun 2018 #280

Damn u and ur common sense. BootinUp Jun 2018 #8

This is literally the most commonsense rule mankind has ever created. n/t manor321 Jun 2018 #9

Being forced to state an obvious. I agree. One would think it is a given. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #11

Does the rule stipulate the candidates must be party-affiliated for X amount of time... Garrett78 Jun 2018 #12

I actually responded to you in the other thread to tell you why I disagreed with you stevenleser Jun 2018 #14

And my thoughts remain the same. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #16

And I disagree, as I said in the other thread... stevenleser Jun 2018 #17

Phrases like "faithful to the party's interests" are too ambiguous. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #21

Ambiguous to whom? To a DNC grievance committee? To a court? It's not ambiguous. stevenleser Jun 2018 #22

Let's pretend we agree...do you think a public court case would be wise? Garrett78 Jun 2018 #24

Yes. I'm playing the long game here. This has to be stopped permanently. A court battle could very stevenleser Jun 2018 #25

We can't afford to be hurt for one election cycle, and certainly not the 2020 cycle. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #28

We can't afford to be hurt for multiple election cycles including 2020 by similar nonsense. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #29

I'm not suggesting we not push back against nonsense claims. Garrett78 Jun 2018 #34

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #74

Have you considered a career in acting? Because that drama was almost Oscar worthy. stevenleser Jun 2018 #77

Oscar, eh? Plucketeer Jun 2018 #89

In some states you have to register months before the election. brush Jun 2018 #225

Good. Drahthaardogs Jun 2018 #13

A quote from LBJ: cloudbase Jun 2018 #15

The problem is, the person most recently in question was inside pissing on everyone inside. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #18

GMTA n/t DFW Jun 2018 #20

Bingo. kstewart33 Jun 2018 #101

I didn't get pissed on. progressoid Jun 2018 #175

You're not an elected official of the party. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #181

So the tent is only for party officials? progressoid Jun 2018 #182

No, but the analogy is. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #230

He was first outside pissing in and continued once he was let in. brush Jun 2018 #226

Even more accurate than what I wrote. Thank you for that amplification. 100% correct. stevenleser Jun 2018 #229

Because him running as an independent would have been better? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #276

Just curious DFW Jun 2018 #19

I didn't get pissed on. progressoid Jun 2018 #176

Ya, you did. You just processed it as a spring rain. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #184

Thanks for the analysis doctor. progressoid Jun 2018 #189

Sure. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #190

Yes, I wonder what LBJ would have to say about that? Cha Jun 2018 #205

LBJ would of MrPool Jun 2018 #207

lol.. Cha Jun 2018 #208

Heehee. I can see that now. LBJ towering over him. brush Jun 2018 #228

Apparantley LBJ MrPool Jun 2018 #248

Oh god, he definitely would have! NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #244

I totally agree. Now he can run as an independent and will split the vote guaranteeing smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #26

That's up to him. You can't live your life or run an organization out of fear of blackmail as to stevenleser Jun 2018 #32

All I care about is that Trump gets voted OUT. smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #36

Until the next crazy GOP candidate, and the next. This is the second time this has happened. stevenleser Jun 2018 #49

While I agree with your goal and general position DFW Jun 2018 #215

Your side of this argument is the one which is in favor of blackmail. nt redgreenandblue Jun 2018 #269

No amount of spin will make this statement of yours correct. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #271

STFU theaocp Jun 2018 #33

The REALITY is.. You have to be a Democrat to run for Cha Jun 2018 #204

That is a LOT of imposition on state's rights to determine voting. Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #277

I don't think Bernie will have the impact that he expects running as an Indy. Blue_true Jun 2018 #116

He will be neutralized regardless MrPool Jun 2018 #252

His refusal to make his tax returns public will absolutely doom his chances. Blue_true Jun 2018 #255

he can't split votes, he simply does not have as much support as his Ninsianna Jun 2018 #251

I agree with this. Running as Independent will show how little support he has. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #258

We already tried that.. it didn't work. Cha Jun 2018 #202

It's amazing to me that this is even needed NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #27

Yeah. If they are Green or Independent, they should just stay that way. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #45

Again, the blackmail argument. As if we are asking so much. stevenleser Jun 2018 #46

It is a silly, childish rule. We should be focused on including people and persuading Sophia4 Jun 2018 #51

Pretty basic actually. You want organization X's support, join and don't denigrate organization X. stevenleser Jun 2018 #54

So we let someone into our house. Blue_true Jun 2018 #117

+1000! mcar Jun 2018 #131

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #137

Indeed n/t susanr516 Jun 2018 #138

Exactly! put your money where your mouth is. R B Garr Jun 2018 #143

Teach It, Blue! Cha Jun 2018 #188

"Bitter and foolish?" Speak for yourself, not Democrats. ehrnst Jun 2018 #144

No. Done with Greens...join the party or sit at home vote for your hopeless candidates who spoil Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #155

Wow sheshe2 Jun 2018 #183

No, you're Wrong once Again, Sophia. You must Cha Jun 2018 #186

"We"? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #193

Expecting a candidate to be a Democrat in order to be the Democratic nominee is childish? George II Jun 2018 #242

Right? Lol. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #247

So I think those anti-abortion Dems are crapping on the party ut oh Jun 2018 #212

They're not so no. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #231

The Democratic party welcomes anyone NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #68

And, after all, having the word "Democrat" after your name permanently is what it is Sophia4 Jun 2018 #75

But we're not talking about voters NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #80

++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Jun 2018 #194

What did allowing an independent to run as a Democrat do for us in 2016? csziggy Jun 2018 #86

Sanders is not the reason Trump beat Clinton in 2016. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #104

Yes of course, folks being divisive could never possibly have affected the election. stevenleser Jun 2018 #133

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #139

Every non-incumbent primary involves competitors. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #146

+1 progressoid Jun 2018 #177

Trump copied Sanders attacks on her. R B Garr Jun 2018 #210

You think Trump couldn't/didn't come up with similar attacks regardless? thesquanderer Jun 2018 #219

OMG, how completely off base. The fact that you neglect to R B Garr Jun 2018 #238

Sanders didn't just criticize Clinton, he criticized the Party. His supporters accused the party of stevenleser Jun 2018 #232

Two things... thesquanderer Jun 2018 #259

Would that include HRC supporters tell BS supporters that they aren't needed? Cuthbert Allgood Jun 2018 #278

Nope, it wouldn't. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #281

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #157

I think you need to brush up on what actually Cha Jun 2018 #192

People who advocate for or vote for third party candidates R B Garr Jun 2018 #240

Did you ever return to your OP that got so many replies? 214 thoughtful replies so far... Hekate Jun 2018 #93

Still no answer as to why the hit and run on Cha Jun 2018 #113

I remember that ...I don't believe the OP posted any replies but I could be wrong. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #158

Yep. A thousand yeps. nt kstewart33 Jun 2018 #102

Sounds resonable unitedwethrive Jun 2018 #31

We'd probably ridicule them and point out how provincial that rule is. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #37

No, we wouldn't. At least not most of us. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #41

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #47

Oh we know what comes of folks attacking the Democratic party from the left alright. stevenleser Jun 2018 #57

Or are they the result of Democrats attacking likeminded people. Sophia4 Jun 2018 #69

I understand you are concerned, Sophia4. Very concerned. Also not a student of history, it seems. Hekate Jun 2018 #96

Well then tell Bernie that. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #120

+1000 NastyRiffraff Jun 2018 #167

:) sheshe2 Jun 2018 #168

I really like this measure and hope that is passes Gothmog Jun 2018 #195

W and Trump were both attacked by flanks of their own parties. thesquanderer Jun 2018 #109

Hmm sheshe2 Jun 2018 #119

"Someone coming in doing it better." I have not heard one person ever, having this concern (or fear) ChrisTee Jun 2018 #129

Welcome to DU, ChrisTee. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #174

Too bad you don't like the Brilliant Rule that Cha Jun 2018 #136

Hey, Cha. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #179

I have no idea why that's Cha Jun 2018 #180

P.S. Especially since it's right in the Title Cha Jun 2018 #201

I agree with your analysis Gothmog Jun 2018 #197

My analysis.. Thank You, Goth! Cha Jun 2018 #198

I am so glad that several blue states will have ballot access laws in place for 2020 Gothmog Jun 2018 #196

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The blackmail angle will never be persuasive. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #38

Exactly. Why not start a new party if your aim is to present differing ideas? unitedwethrive Jun 2018 #39

Of course they won't do that because they know they don't have the numbers. The Green party has stevenleser Jun 2018 #43

not a very good argument. drray23 Jun 2018 #84

No, you have it all Wrong, Sophia.. The Democratic Cha Jun 2018 #134

It's not unreasonable... Adrahil Jun 2018 #135

I dont think that is too much to ask? kentuck Jun 2018 #40

I don't think a bunch of left-leaning third-party candidates is the way to go. Gore1FL Jun 2018 #42

Again, the blackmail argument is not persuasive. nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #44

No one is threatening blackmail. Words matter. Don't go Fox News on me. nt Gore1FL Jun 2018 #59

It's blackmail. "You need to do what I say or X bad things will happen". nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #61

Attracting flies with honey rather than vinegar is blackmail. Got it. Gore1FL Jun 2018 #65

Sanders could not be more exclusive. ChrisTee Jun 2018 #241

What does Sanders have to do with this? Gore1FL Jun 2018 #279

Actually, "win elections" should still be the superseding rule. JohnnyRingo Jun 2018 #48

You're interpretation is incorrect. Those differing Republicans register Republican & don't crap on stevenleser Jun 2018 #52

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #50

Welcome to DU DesertRat Jun 2018 #53

Bullshit Fresh_Start Jun 2018 #58

How is this a "war on progressives?" That's utter nonsense. Adrahil Jun 2018 #67

Between this and the super delegate change LostOne4Ever Jun 2018 #55

Be a Democrat. Simple. DesertRat Jun 2018 #56

So Joe Manchin, Dan Lipinski, Heidi Heitkamp, guillaumeb Jun 2018 #60

All of that depends. Register as a Democrat, Caucus as a Democrat, don't attack the party. stevenleser Jun 2018 #63

The whole idea is stupid. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2018 #82

Is there some way to alert on Eliz. Warren? n/t QC Jun 2018 #87

No but because of her remarks, I won't vote for her in a primary. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #161

Yes...They can win in their states....your version of progressive can't. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #160

I am a Democrat erlewyne Jun 2018 #62

And? nt stevenleser Jun 2018 #64

Aw. NurseJackie Jun 2018 #72

Same here. Sienna86 Jun 2018 #216

The only problem I see with this rule is that it should state stopbush Jun 2018 #70

I agree. See my #14 above, I am very curious as to what lines 1-18 say. stevenleser Jun 2018 #76

agree. Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #162

Speaking of "taking" and "giving", a month or so ago Elizabeth Warren spoke... George II Jun 2018 #71

Good krawhitham Jun 2018 #73

Like Chris Koster loyalsister Jun 2018 #78

Worthless marylandblue Jun 2018 #79

This is a No-Brainer dlk Jun 2018 #81

100% Civic Justice Jun 2018 #83

About time Hekate Jun 2018 #88

Think like a Liberal snort Jun 2018 #92

So flouting rules is cool and unauthoritarian? Trump wants no rules, and he's bettyellen Jun 2018 #112

"Authoritarian" my Cha Jun 2018 #114

K&R ! stonecutter357 Jun 2018 #95

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #103

Oh please. That was an already tired line 36 months ago. stevenleser Jun 2018 #105

A DNC committee has adopted a rule that presidential candidates must be party members. Gothmog Jun 2018 #107

. snort Jun 2018 #110

Excellent! sheshe2 Jun 2018 #111

Aint it though! ucrdem Jun 2018 #125

It sure is, ucrdem. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #126

Very smart move. Can a DU rule change be far behind? ucrdem Jun 2018 #124

About time grantcart Jun 2018 #130

K&R betsuni Jun 2018 #132

Thank you for posting this! blue cat Jun 2018 #145

don't think they can enforce that. dembotoz Jun 2018 #154

The national party makes the rules...let me remind you in 08, Hillary could count the votes in Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #163

But the State runs the election dembotoz Jun 2018 #214

Yes they can. If there is a question on eligibility it will affect whether someone gets votes and stevenleser Jun 2018 #233

remains to be seen...running a renegade populist campaign did ok for clown trump dembotoz Jun 2018 #254

Nope, it doesn't and Trump didn't face eligibility questions. People don't like to waste time and stevenleser Jun 2018 #261

you put too much trust is peoples affection for the dnc dembotoz Jun 2018 #263

Nope, I am not considering that one way or the other . I think you underestimate stevenleser Jun 2018 #282

Time will tell dembotoz Jun 2018 #283

Wonderful nt Sunsky Jun 2018 #156

I hope they wrote it so you have been registered as a Democrat for atleast the last 5 years cstanleytech Jun 2018 #169

"Give me access to your party's resources" Roy Rolling Jun 2018 #170

K&R murielm99 Jun 2018 #185

Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #187

From my twitter feed Gothmog Jun 2018 #191

K&R Scurrilous Jun 2018 #199

Politico- DNC rule change angers Sanders supporters Gothmog Jun 2018 #200

To listen to all the Berner's and the Jill Steinistas Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2018 #203

Hey, BERNIE!!! They're talking about/to YOU. DinahMoeHum Jun 2018 #218

Overdue rule change Progressive dog Jun 2018 #220

LOL Kurt V. Jun 2018 #224

This Will Disappoint the Freeloaders dlk Jun 2018 #237

About time dalton99a Jun 2018 #245

What a disaster.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #264

And people wonder why the DNC gets accused of "rigging". redgreenandblue Jun 2018 #265

LOL betsuni Jun 2018 #268

Bingo.. disillusioned73 Jun 2018 #270

Not unreasonable Rule. Non-Democratic candidates can start own Party instead of leaching of Dems Lil Missy Jun 2018 #274