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In reply to the discussion: ''Every seat in the theater in LA filled up so Bernie went outside to talk to the people ... '' [View all]Gothmog
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I was at the National Convention and I was a Hillraiser and a member of both the Clinton attorney finance committee and the Victory Counsel program. I saw the Clinton campaign close up including being a maxed out donor and a sponsor for a couple of high dollar campaign events (you have to give the secrete service all of your details when you are a sponsor). I honestly believe that the forces that cause Clinton to lose were outside her control. My only real complaint was that she treated sanders with kid gloves and should have use the oppo research on him. Sanders is a deeply flawed candidate and should have not have been treated with kid gloves.
I live in the real world which is why I rejected sanders (his proposals all relied on a magical voter revolution and made no sense if you lived in the real world). I never took sanders seriously because I do not believe in magic or magical voter revolutions. All of sanders proposals were based on a magical voter revolution where millions or billions or trillions (sanders was not clear on this) would rise up and force the GOP to be reasonable. No one who lived in the real world would be stupid enough to believe in magical voter revolutions. None of sanders proposals could be adopted in the real world with the aid of magic Without that magical voter revolution, even Sanders admitted that his platform could not be adopted https://www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/robert-schlesinger/articles/2016-04-15/bernie-sanders-bad-delegate-math-and-fantasy-revolution
Magical thinking does not work in the real world. Sanders has failed to adopt any meaningful legislation in the real world including in his own state. I am not the only one to note that Sanders would not be able to get his proposals adopted in the real world. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/21/1483791/-Imagine-Bernie-Sanders-wins-the-White-House-Then-what
If you look at the forces that were aligned against Clinton at the end, she had no chance no matter what she did. Again, Russia invested a ton of resources in feeding fake news to sanders supporters who believed this crap. I am serious, go to JPR and see the russian trolls at work. JPR had six or more threads at one point on pizzagate. There are still jpr idiots who are pushing crap about Seth Rich and that Hillary Clinton is really too ill to serve. Heck a number of the idiots who post on JPR are named plaintiffs in the rather ignorant DNC fraud lawsuit. I am sadden that so many JPR types and sanders supporters believed the Russian fake news.
I saw behavior by the sanders campaign at the national convention that sickened me. Many of the sanders delegates were there to help elect trump and did their best. My youngest child was my guest at the National Convention and I watched sanders supporters yell obscenities at her and call her the c-word because she would not try to get me to change my vote. A person who was a senior paid staffer in the sanders campaign came to work for one of the local candidates where she went around telling voters to vote for stein while block walking.
I saw the attacks by Sanders supporters on John Lewis and other African American leaders at the National Convention. One sanders delegate told me that they blamed African Americans for sanders loss and so were going to take it out on these groups at the national convention. I am Jewish and we had one sanders supporter come to one of the Jewish caucuses to tell us that we were bad Jews for not supporting sanders. The idiot was wearing a large cross on the outside of his shirt.
I was teaching a class on poll watching and voter protection when Comey pulled his stunt. My associate was taking the class and told me about it after we finished filming. I was shocked and it is clear that this incident played a major role. Nate Silver and others have looked at this and they are clear that this stunt helped get trump elected. Again, I like living in the real world where facts matter.
Again, I am sad that you want to deflect and deny the role that sanders played in electing trump. I actually work on political issues in the real world and I saw what happened. Between Comey, Russia, voter suppression, stein (who is really a russian tool) and sanders, there was no way that Hillary Clinton had a chance and yet she still won the popular vote by 3 million.
Go ahead and deny the facts as to how trump got elected. I am working to turn Texas blue in the real world. We already gutted the Texas voter id law though litigation. The GOP know that Texas will turn blue and are trying to delay this with voter suppression and other crap.
The fact that you want to ignore the facts here amuses me. Again, I live in the real world which is why I never took sanders seriously. I am also not going to forgive or forget about sanders roll in trump being elected. BTW, I had to deal with Our Revolution idiots who are so very racist that they they attack an Asian candidate because he had a funny first name. The head of thie local Our Revolution group told voters that this candidate "was not one of us" and "we do not want one of them" on the ballot. Luckily the candidates endorsed by Our Revolution lost badly. I am helping the Asian candidate who attacked by the Our Revolution idiots by taking him to meetings of the local Democratic lawyers association and having him be on a panel at a CLE event later this month. It was fun watching a Democratic candidate for Congress mingle in a room of Democratic lawyers.
The real world is a nice place. I will continue to work in it. You can ignore the real world if you want.