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The Velveteen Ocelot

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58. Not exactly. The Revolutionary War was fought to separate the colonies
Sat May 19, 2018, 07:45 PM
May 2018

from the control of a particular king, George III of England, not for the purpose of establishing a republic. That concept didn't come until later, when the Constitution was written and eventually made effective in 1787, 11 years after the Declaration of Independence. The latter document consists mostly of a long recitation of the "repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States" but contained no mention of the form of government that would be adopted. The 1781 Articles of Confederation established a confederation of sovereign states, but did not contain mechanisms for controlling the powers of the executive, whatever form that might take. The Framers of the constitution eventually rejected creating a monarchy because they wanted a system of checks and balances that would distribute power among three branches of government - a concept that would make a monarchy impossible. It was considered, thought, and when Washington was elected President there were some in the new government who suggested he should be made King - an idea he immediately rejected. It is not accurate to say that the US was founded as an anti-monarchy, anti-aristocracy nation; there was a non-hereditary aristocracy - initially only (male) landowners could vote.

Anything that distracts from the RESISTANCE is bad for us Blue_Adept May 2018 #1
Spending a couple of hours watching a wedding on TV is hardly a distraction, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #4
Maybe I should have used the sarcasm tag instead of the laughter tag Blue_Adept May 2018 #10
I got you OP. Pretty funny... MicaelS May 2018 #12
Aha. Sorry. There have been too many similarly worded posts this morning The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #14
No worries. I've spent most of my spare time while working mocking folks in the other thread Blue_Adept May 2018 #19
An actual apology. How nice! BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #44
I got it. I laughed! I have seen some who've expressed similar despair... NurseJackie May 2018 #17
I always have the evening MSNBC lineup recorded to Hortensis May 2018 #18
Not to worry BannonsLiver May 2018 #7
Yeah, they who helped engineer it. n/t MicaelS May 2018 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author EffieBlack May 2018 #37
I completely agree. CaliforniaPeggy May 2018 #2
There are always people who know what is best for the rest of us. MicaelS May 2018 #6
Yeah, it's amazing how many people go to the trouble to tweet that they "don't care" mainer May 2018 #3
and to point out they are not watching DrDan May 2018 #35
I needed a breather, and watching the wedding was like medicine Siwsan May 2018 #5
I don't know how keenly he wants the throne, but it's been a LONG time coming. BobTheSubgenius May 2018 #82
His mother is 92 lunatica May 2018 #86
Anything that keeps Trump and his gang of criminals out of the media is fine with me! smirkymonkey May 2018 #8
Hard to believe people who say they don't care when they spend so much effort... Kaleva May 2018 #11
BUT, they REALLY MicaelS May 2018 #13
Apparently I care that they spend the effort telling us how much they don't care. Kaleva May 2018 #16
Yes, the sourpuss threads today were pretty funny. cwydro May 2018 #15
They had to have something to be outraged about. The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #22
One would hope that if nothing more, this OldHippieChick May 2018 #20
It is silly it matters at all. No different than any other wedding today. Stupid. nt USALiberal May 2018 #21
It matters on a global scale, and should matter to the thinking minds that grasp the gravity of it. Civic Justice May 2018 #23
A black president is important. A royal family in today's world is not. nt USALiberal May 2018 #24
For the British, it is. The royal family is a national symbol for them - The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #33
As an Englishman... bluecollar2 May 2018 #41
On the contrary. RandomAccess May 2018 #54
Agree. SammyWinstonJack May 2018 #26
It's kinda nice seeing something happy right now cagefreesoylentgreen May 2018 #25
Some people have a problem with "royalty." DemoHack May 2018 #27
Don't forget--a law is a law DFW May 2018 #28
Meh, don't give a shit, this is my only post on the topic. n/t X_Digger May 2018 #29
The following. Completely. Different Drummer May 2018 #30
spot on!!!! "curmudgeon" is a perfect descriptor! Thanks! DrDan May 2018 #31
You could have left this part out of your diatribe... Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #32
The US was founded as an anti-monarchy Progressive dog May 2018 #34
It ended up that way after bitter fighting GulfCoast66 May 2018 #49
The original idea at some point was to have kings Progressive dog May 2018 #67
Yeah, I read common sense in high school. GulfCoast66 May 2018 #71
When I figure out what the life of Thomas Paine Progressive dog May 2018 #73
Thomas Payne? He was good at stirring things up. GulfCoast66 May 2018 #76
Paine did not disappear Progressive dog May 2018 #79
Not exactly. The Revolutionary War was fought to separate the colonies The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #58
Yes, exactly Progressive dog May 2018 #64
As well you should read additional perspectives and interpretations from those who were there. LanternWaste May 2018 #83
Monarchy is one of the subjects of "Common Sense", Progressive dog May 2018 #85
We've got plenty of un-mandated inequality here nini May 2018 #63
We got rid of kings and aristocrats Progressive dog May 2018 #65
We did get rid of 'royalty' as you say nini May 2018 #68
That is an incredible defense of royalty Progressive dog May 2018 #70
No .. nini May 2018 #75
Did the Obama's attend? AJT May 2018 #36
No. GoCubsGo May 2018 #39
Harry and Meghan wanted to invite them I read maryellen99 May 2018 #40
That wasn't the reason. They decided not to invite any politicians, The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #48
Thanks for adding that RandomAccess May 2018 #55
My mother-in-law was from the UK, who met my father-in-law during WWII and she JoeOtterbein May 2018 #38
EXACTLY! nt Raine May 2018 #42
And all the sappy cornballs, Renaissance Fair romantics, and swooning starry-eyed Nitram May 2018 #43
I get a kick out of the glamour and pagentry. Collimator May 2018 #45
I'd rather have a constitutional monarchy with the Windsors The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #47
Me, too. kwassa May 2018 #66
I didn't watch it, generally don't care about the Royals NastyRiffraff May 2018 #46
Nobody is criticizing anyone for choosing to watch it. GoCubsGo May 2018 #50
Expense of what ? Showing trump's lies and not calling it out ? JI7 May 2018 #72
"Whatever it is, I am against it" GusBob May 2018 #51
There are always a few who want to point out that they are serious people The Velveteen Ocelot May 2018 #60
I enjoyed watching most of the wedding. Got a bit bored a few times but riversedge May 2018 #52
For me it wasnt about some royal romantic notion Clarity2 May 2018 #53
Nicely said RandomAccess May 2018 #56
Love VS Hate.. I take Love everytime.. Cha May 2018 #57
No, Britain is not doing fine. doxyluv13 May 2018 #59
The problem there is the politicians who have actual power JI7 May 2018 #74
Some people are pissed off at pretty much everything. nini May 2018 #61
The French knew how to deal with royalty... Lokilooney May 2018 #62
I personally don't care about the UK. IluvPitties May 2018 #69
"Look at how anti-royal I am!" shenmue May 2018 #77
I watched from beginning to end, and was delighted. And after getting some sleep, I tuned in to.... Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #78
I'm looking forward to the topic fading away mokawanis May 2018 #80
Give it another day, and it will drop off the radar. MicaelS May 2018 #81
I'm glad people find enjoyment in it. NCTraveler May 2018 #84
British Royalty and History has always fascinated me. Lil Missy May 2018 #87
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