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Hortensis

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62. Garbage. MORE blaming Democrats for Republican crimes?!

Reply to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #4)

Sun May 13, 2018, 06:14 PM

May 2018

What on earth goes on with those disposed to twist reality so destructively?

THIS is what people mean when they claim Democrats defeat themselves. That's a smear of most Democrats, of course, because only some are guilty of spreading these twisted, circular firing squad viewpoints. And not all of those are actually Democrats, by any means.

If I could trade the whole lot of this type to the Repubs so they could badmouth their new party, blaming fellow Republicans for healthcare reform, fighting against torture and for equality, establishing worker rights in the first place -- and get some mindlessly loyal trumpsters in return, I'd do it in a second. A SPLIT second.

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And THIS is why the Dems' cowardly decision [View all] choie May 2018 OP

Yep. Did we ever get a reason why the torturers weren't prosecuted or were they too big to fail? jalan48 May 2018 #1

As I recall, there was a strong sentiment PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #4

Pelosi's "off the table" Crash2Parties May 2018 #16

Garbage. MORE blaming Democrats for Republican crimes?! Hortensis May 2018 #62

Twist reality? choie May 2018 #64

If you are not worried about the peculiar mindset Hortensis May 2018 #75

Thank you! tonyt53 May 2018 #82

I did not want to tackle this Op. You are doing the heavy lifting. Thank you. sunRISEnow May 2018 #90

I meant to call out blaming Dems for Pub crimes Hortensis May 2018 #101

No, actual history. guillaumeb May 2018 #104

Do NOT defend blaming Democrats for GOP crimes. Hortensis May 2018 #105

I will call out whoever I damn well please. choie May 2018 #110

I disagree. guillaumeb May 2018 #114

Politicians protect each other. They are all afraid the next criminal to be prosecuted... S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #50

Imo, those who refuse to see enormous moral and Hortensis May 2018 #63

I agree. And it is old, should be put to bed, with the obvious facts available. sunRISEnow May 2018 #71

Should. The facts are SO old, but (sigh) so what? Hortensis May 2018 #99

Wait, according to you, the reason the Democrats in Congress The Polack MSgt May 2018 #93

The Polack MSgt, S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #94

How am I misunderstanding what you wrote? The Polack MSgt May 2018 #96

That's my read too on the poster's actual post mcar May 2018 #98

How much did Obama have Bush-the-dumber investigated for Bush's war crimes, ... S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #103

Canonization is not required to be able to see the difference between the 2 parties The Polack MSgt May 2018 #107

The Polack MSgt, S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #108

"Believing Democrats have no faults" sunRISEnow May 2018 #113

It's a silly talking point. betsuni May 2018 #121

Not just "Democrats".. By Drake Bennett June 24, 2007 Cha May 2018 #123

Maybe you could ask Bernie Sanders.. he Cha May 2018 #124

Yep. Snackshack May 2018 #2

True - but then, what choice did they have? sandensea May 2018 #3

None of that applied after Obama was in office. OneBro May 2018 #7

Yes, we had the Presidency and both the Senate and the House. We could have held investigations into jalan48 May 2018 #11

that's because of white voters who largely went for Bush and Trump and most Republicans JI7 May 2018 #13

I'm not following what you are saying. In 2009 we controlled the government. We had the power to jalan48 May 2018 #14

that we are here today because of how mostly white people voted JI7 May 2018 #17

Interesting argument. jalan48 May 2018 #19

What does that have to do with it? choie May 2018 #22

They are held responsible by working to elect Democrats. independent Bernie Sanders didn't do JI7 May 2018 #26

Why are you pulling Bernie into this? shanny May 2018 #102

He opposed impeachment JI7 May 2018 #106

Of whom? Bush? shanny May 2018 #118

All of 2009? I don't think that's true. Weren't there gaps in the senate- Losing one person mattered bettyellen May 2018 #133

I've heard some say that it was still going on then. Mr.Bill May 2018 #70

We did hold investigations and there were also lawsuits. Please do the research. stevenleser May 2018 #126

Obama was still trying to be nice to Republicans DeminPennswoods May 2018 #29

"still" vi5 May 2018 #53

It's his nature to be concilliatory DeminPennswoods May 2018 #77

Yes. +100. It's Obama's personality. sharedvalues May 2018 #87

Yes, and in modern politics that is a fatal flaw. vi5 May 2018 #127

taking the high road never works elmac May 2018 #5

I agree. We have to be as ruthless and as nasty as they are to achieve our aims. smirkymonkey May 2018 #6

He's aggressive, but he's not a liar. SunSeeker May 2018 #9

the fascists know that if you tell a big enough lie elmac May 2018 #41

Here is one of the most important articles I've read this year: Garrett78 May 2018 #18

Thanks! Great article! smirkymonkey May 2018 #25

Excellent interview! CrispyQ May 2018 #58

Plus, our bulldogs are all one anonymous accusation away from... Beartracks May 2018 #60

This. CrispyQ May 2018 #128

+1. yonder May 2018 #27

How is defending choie May 2018 #20

how about the Independent Bernie Sanders ? he opposed impeachment also JI7 May 2018 #8

Oh did he now? Didn't he also want someone to primary President Obama? Hekate May 2018 #10

Really? That's your response? choie May 2018 #21

That's your answer? Did bernie challenge the decision or did he go along with it also? Wwcd May 2018 #33

Bernie was ok with that decision. How is he any different if you want to blame? Blue_true May 2018 #47

he is equally to blame choie May 2018 #65

I wasn't the one who started the blame laying. nt Blue_true May 2018 #74

Impeachment is not the answer to Trump... BlueJac May 2018 #79

Interestingly some folks don't grasp that it takes a 2/3 majority in the Senate for a conviction for still_one May 2018 #83

I'm sure they get it or don't care JI7 May 2018 #86

" three of the Senate's most liberal members -- Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, and Amy Klobuchar -- Cha May 2018 #120

Exactly! Duppers May 2018 #12

Thought I remembered hearing that the crap done to Bill Clinton by the repugs was Canoe52 May 2018 #15

So? Does that mean that choie May 2018 #23

Was asking in reference to the OPs statement Canoe52 May 2018 #31

I wonder MFM008 May 2018 #24

This truth bomb just blew my house up Tiggeroshii May 2018 #28

Steve Schmidt said jodymarie aimee May 2018 #30

Where was Bernie in challenging "the cowardly Dems"? Wwcd May 2018 #32

no, he opposed impeachment also JI7 May 2018 #36

Maybe they wanted health care for Americans without health insurance instead. betsuni May 2018 #34

and that's what they ran on JI7 May 2018 #37

And yet there are still people insisting Dems only run on negative campaigns. betsuni May 2018 #38

I see...so it's only non elected officials choie May 2018 #40

+1,000 malaise May 2018 #35

IMO, here's the trade-off if * and Cheney had been prosecuted: no_hypocrisy May 2018 #39

Bringing reality into obnoxiousdrunk May 2018 #52

I've never understood how Germans could turn a blind eye to what Hitler was doing. jalan48 May 2018 #42

Exactly. choie May 2018 #49

Ding-ding.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #129

It only took 7 posts for someone to blame Obama BannonsLiver May 2018 #43

What the hell does Obama being black choie May 2018 #48

How many was your guess.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #130

Yawn. NurseJackie May 2018 #44

Yes. betsuni May 2018 #45

absolutely G_j May 2018 #46

cool story bro ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #51

Jesus fucking Christ. ismnotwasm May 2018 #54

Sing it sister, just that. sunRISEnow May 2018 #68

She won't torture. She will let a private company like black water do it. pwb May 2018 #55

soooo right. n/t librechik May 2018 #56

... SidDithers May 2018 #57

Attention All Democrats: {Ooooga.. Ooooga!!} Convene circular firing squad! farmbo May 2018 #59

Attention all Democrats! choie May 2018 #66

Sorry, I'm still not buying your premise. farmbo May 2018 #95

KKKK+RRRRR++++ zentrum May 2018 #61

The prosecution of crimes is not supposed to Progressive dog May 2018 #67

That's right. If anybody tortures choie May 2018 #69

So write the justice department and stop Progressive dog May 2018 #73

Stop blaming Democrats for trying to hold the country together. Nitram May 2018 #72

Gutlesss... BlueJac May 2018 #76

We never had the votes in the Senate for conviction...thus impeachment would have been foolish. We Demsrule86 May 2018 #78

Bullshit. Unless you have a 2/3 majority in the Senate, impeachment isn't going to happen. Perhaps still_one May 2018 #80

Cowardly. Torture is a nonnegotiable American value. sharedvalues May 2018 #81

Always someone here blaming democrats GulfCoast66 May 2018 #84

Not prosecuting kurtcagle May 2018 #85

We are here because some self-identified progressives refused to vote for the Democratic nominee, still_one May 2018 #88

I read a comic say, we that learn from the past have to live thru all those that did not learn from sunRISEnow May 2018 #91

Well stated still_one May 2018 #92

+1 mcar May 2018 #100

+1, Exactly. Divide, divide, divide. n/t FSogol May 2018 #134

... Scurrilous May 2018 #89

No, you are wrong. I'll explain to you why that couldn't happen. John Ashcroft and John Yoo stevenleser May 2018 #97

Excellent response, Steve peggysue2 May 2018 #109

No, Yoo's memos were worthless... TiberiusB May 2018 #111

That is one person's opinion and it is not correct. stevenleser May 2018 #112

Torture is against international law. American laws need not apply. redgreenandblue May 2018 #132

We regularly turn people over, when Interpol issues an international warrant. stevenleser May 2018 #135

Three more links...it's not one person's opinion TiberiusB May 2018 #136

None of those three links or your excerpts opine on the contention at hand stevenleser May 2018 #138

Furthermore, a Federal appeals court has ruled on a tangential point and found in favor of Yoo stevenleser May 2018 #115

And here, it is explicitly stated that Justice Dept memos are a get out of jail free card stevenleser May 2018 #116

From the same article... TiberiusB May 2018 #137

Again, that has nothing to do with the central fact stevenleser May 2018 #139

A lot of Dems knew about it and were ok with it. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #117

Besides Joe Lieberman, name some. nt stevenleser May 2018 #122

In 2006 I participated in DC rallies calling for impeachment. summer_in_TX May 2018 #119

Well said still_one May 2018 #125

Yep, doing it for "the national soul" isn't something covered in the Constitution. ehrnst May 2018 #131