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grantcart

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20. I haven't done the research but from what I know about the subject you have misrepresented the core
Sun May 13, 2018, 03:56 PM
May 2018

issue.

The crux of civil litigation would not be based on product liability so your entire analogy with ladders is not relevant.

The crux of the litigation would be on marketing and distribution liability in which somebody is killed by a gun that was distributed and sold with an intention to avoid legal restrictions or is other wise nefarious.

For example if they distribute to a store that is a few yards from a state line and the restrictions in the other state would make owning that gun illegal but the manufacturer distributes guns to 5 gun retailers who sell in excess of 2000% of what normal gun sales would be for that small border town then the gun manufacturer obviously knows and assists in selling guns to out of state residents in a deliberate attempt to go around the laws of the other state.

It is that kind of liability that gun owners should be held responsible for and is not covered by anything you said.

David Hogg calls out Bernie [View all] Tavarious Jackson May 2018 OP
He's only saying what is . . . peggysue2 May 2018 #1
Facts are facts. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #2
Not quite true. Igel May 2018 #17
I haven't done the research but from what I know about the subject you have misrepresented the core grantcart May 2018 #20
Nailed it...nt SidDithers May 2018 #24
Thank you. nt brer cat May 2018 #37
Thank you. Your points are correct. n/t pnwmom May 2018 #55
Excellent example mcar May 2018 #74
+1 uponit7771 May 2018 #75
Thank you for calling out the BS. NurseJackie May 2018 #127
Thank you lunamagica May 2018 #138
Misrepresentation. Straw Man May 2018 #143
You simply don't have the facts on either the movement of guns or the law grantcart May 2018 #145
Facts? Straw Man May 2018 #153
Weird how ONLY guns get this SPECIAL protection, yet I see people want to argue with you Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #196
It's expected. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #198
Gun control ... Straw Man May 2018 #206
Says who? nt0 Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #212
Sensible gun laws are necessary.. Cha May 2018 #291
Thank you for this. thucythucy May 2018 #226
Thank you, grantcart Hekate May 2018 #148
Thanks, grantcart! BlueMTexpat May 2018 #151
Not really Lee-Lee May 2018 #157
+1000 (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #163
Products which, through defective design, pose a threat . . . MrModerate May 2018 #149
Exactly, it's like building a car with defective brakes and no emergency braking system. lark May 2018 #179
I hear you. God my stupid iphone has a better usage "lock" then any damn gun. Sunlei May 2018 #246
Not quite -- RandomAccess May 2018 #22
For good reason... SidDithers May 2018 #25
not necessarily so..... God! It was sleazy Novartis who was making most of our flu vaccines womanofthehills May 2018 #60
Yes, necessarily so. But wouldn't expect you to agree... SidDithers May 2018 #80
And DU's resident antivaxxer rears her head. nt Dr Hobbitstein May 2018 #134
You seem to think that making flu vaccine is a bad thing. ehrnst May 2018 #181
That bill was going to pass with or without Sanders' vote alarimer May 2018 #197
Ouch ! OnDoutside May 2018 #3
Yikes! Mike Nelson May 2018 #4
He can not clean up. He doesn't regret his vote Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author RandomAccess May 2018 #23
I'm tired of ""Mom and Pop" being used as an excuse for shielding big business EffieBlack May 2018 #33
Totally agree. "Mom and Pop" is a dodge, just like everything the repugs say. erronis May 2018 #54
Rove, Cheney and Gingrich were true pros Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #57
This! nt Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #56
Plus laws like that apply to those who employ over a certain number treestar May 2018 #125
Yep. "Closely held family business" applies to Hobby Lobby ehrnst May 2018 #178
I'd like to know how Hobby Lobby got hold of millions in looted Iraq museum pieces. Sunlei May 2018 #294
From Mother Jones. sheshe2 May 2018 #68
That's a very good article, I like MJs- last of the good, I hope they don't get bought out. Sunlei May 2018 #293
Accepting LOCAL NRA support in VT makes some sense NastyRiffraff May 2018 #95
All progressives should be 100% in favor of gun control of any kind, including.... George II May 2018 #5
On the left, I find the argument tends to be less black and white xor May 2018 #88
Not all gun control makes sense. Mindlessness support of gun control is not the answer. aikoaiko May 2018 #93
I'm speaking in terms of legislation that has come up in the House and Senate over the years.... George II May 2018 #97
What is mindless support of gun control? mcar May 2018 #103
When someone says that someone should support "gun control of any kind" aikoaiko May 2018 #173
2ND gives NO right to an individual to own a gun outside of a well regulated militia, as we all know Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #203
We do know it, Eliot mcar May 2018 #228
The bill of rights GIVES no rights. Period. None. Nada. Zip. X_Digger May 2018 #298
What about mindless support of guns? honest.abe May 2018 #162
Sure, but I haven't seen anyone say we should oppose gun control of any kind. aikoaiko May 2018 #172
So who here is advocating "mindlessness support of gun control?" ehrnst May 2018 #166
Did you read George II's post? aikoaiko May 2018 #171
So which gun control is "mindlessness?" ehrnst May 2018 #174
I didn't say any gun control was "mindless". aikoaiko May 2018 #175
You gave "supporting mindless gun control" as the only option to ehrnst May 2018 #182
That wasnt an accident I fear. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #204
You read it correctly. It doesn't look like an error in wording. R B Garr May 2018 #241
Watch the alt.left go after the kid now. RandySF May 2018 #6
Yup ismnotwasm May 2018 #8
I think that term -- alt.left -- has a very unfortunate effect RandomAccess May 2018 #28
Alt-left RandySF May 2018 #31
wait a dang minute. Kurt V. May 2018 #48
IMO, the problem with the term is that Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #50
Thank you RandomAccess May 2018 #72
I think you have them RandomAccess May 2018 #71
Exactly. nt Blue_true May 2018 #100
Whomever already has the one who tweeted this Cha May 2018 #141
Twitter has a great deal of politics Gothmog May 2018 #187
Yes, I hope he gets his account back on soon! Cha May 2018 #189
This message was self-deleted by its author Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #188
Happy Monday! NurseJackie May 2018 #194
It IS a Happy Monday! Who knew.. Cha May 2018 #239
It says, that account makes great one liners that can be weaponised for political use. Sunlei May 2018 #248
They want to censor him.. can't handle the facts.. I'm glad he tweeted what David Cha May 2018 #278
She will get her account back, it's a temp ban not permanent. really a shame Sunlei May 2018 #292
Awesome.. I can't wait until she gets Cha May 2018 #300
Alt-Left person, Jill Stein, was just another Russian tool coming from a different angle. lark May 2018 #180
There is no alt-left- Jill Stein was used by Republican party to take a few percent of votes Sunlei May 2018 #249
And both the young Kennedy and Kamala Harris are on their menu for destruction next. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #205
And Sen Booker, the Castro brothers and anyone else who dares. mcar May 2018 #230
Of course. I was just chased away from a group of "progressives" on a youtube Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #233
How dare you be a Democrat speaking up for Democrats? mcar May 2018 #234
The moderator of the chat once chastised me for saying positive things about Hillary Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #236
... mcar May 2018 #238
No it does not delegitimize the left or legitimize the alt-right. Blue_true May 2018 #98
Man, I see so bleepin' much of that here, RandomAccess May 2018 #109
You are wrong. When faced with two choices and I have no choice BUT to choose. Blue_true May 2018 #110
If that's your response, then I can only conclude RandomAccess May 2018 #118
+1 Ferrets are Cool May 2018 #113
It is not acceptance of authority treestar May 2018 #126
Yep. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #164
Already happening - that twitter account has been suspended. (nt) ehrnst May 2018 #168
wait until a little closer to midterms for the millions of bots to attack ALL not-Republicans. Sunlei May 2018 #245
Yep. Maybe they'll pull up tweets from when he was 9 years old ecstatic May 2018 #296
Hmmm Fla_Democrat May 2018 #9
I'm running out of popcorn.... Fla_Democrat May 2018 #289
I sure wish I could rec this more than once! Go David! LonePirate May 2018 #10
Good! I'm glad SOMEONE is taking the lead on this. It's LONG overdue. NurseJackie May 2018 #11
Agreed Gothmog May 2018 #44
The wisdom of youth. sheshe2 May 2018 #70
But...but Bernie's dismal rating by the NRA should give him some cover. oasis May 2018 #12
Unless you're a republican you're most likely to have a dismal rating regardless of your positions. George II May 2018 #16
Curses, foiled again! oasis May 2018 #30
I count 10 Ten Democratic Senators receiving a grade of A from the NRA Uncle Joe May 2018 #51
That's 54. How old is this list? Rockefeller, for example, left office more than 3 years ago. George II May 2018 #58
I looked for a date but I couldn't find one on the site. This is from googling rankings Uncle Joe May 2018 #61
I don't but to be honest NRA ratings are irrelevant to me. All I know is the legislation..... George II May 2018 #65
"David Hogg has done his homework." sheshe2 May 2018 #78
Indeed he has and now he can expect to be attacked from many angles but NOT from Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #207
See my reply to you above. ehrnst May 2018 #170
The data is at least 5-6 years old. lapucelle May 2018 #101
Sanders' last rating was back in 2012. The way the NRA works is that they rate candidates.... George II May 2018 #111
FYI, that data is 6 years old. Some on the list are no longer in Congress, lapucelle May 2018 #96
See my post #111 for an explanation of their ratings. George II May 2018 #112
You have a rather outdated list.... Here is the most recent ehrnst May 2018 #165
The entire Senate Dem caucus have "F" ratings ehrnst May 2018 #167
I like this young man, a lot. BootinUp May 2018 #13
More and more. Put the senator's feet to the fire. brush May 2018 #29
Boom. Tipperary May 2018 #14
Yup. The PLCAA is an unconscionably pro-gun manufacturer, anti-victim law. SunSeeker May 2018 #15
Agreed Gothmog May 2018 #45
K&R musette_sf May 2018 #18
I will still take Senator Sanders any day of the week wallyworld2 May 2018 #19
I will take him only on the 8th day of the week. nt jrthin May 2018 #35
not everyone feels the same Civic Justice May 2018 #52
Take him where? I'll take him for retirement. nt stevenleser May 2018 #63
Pretty sure he's going to... tonedevil May 2018 #89
I don't think there is any evidence Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #64
I have not seen any Bernie change in the 4 decades he has been in politics. sunRISEnow May 2018 #104
I am a democrat. I support members of the Democratic Party. GulfCoast66 May 2018 #121
Boom! sheshe2 May 2018 #124
If the party and sites that support the party dont get right in the head about this Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #208
Well, for many of us, it is way more than one issue. lunamagica May 2018 #139
Me too. alarimer May 2018 #199
I do not like Hillary at all wallyworld2 May 2018 #223
David Hogg's not playing.. Cha May 2018 #21
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #26
Hillary's not running for anything now. I'm glad Cha May 2018 #34
Please stop. OldHippieChick May 2018 #43
This discussion is about gun control in this country, why are you dragging the Iraq war into it? George II May 2018 #46
This message was self-deleted by its author emulatorloo May 2018 #47
Please don't use 'whataboutism' to distract from the issue of gun control emulatorloo May 2018 #49
What a surprise, whataboutism was used to deflect from holding Bernie's feet to the fire stevenleser May 2018 #66
I missed the post, did the person happen to mention Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #209
DU rec...nt SidDithers May 2018 #27
I love these kids! nt jrthin May 2018 #32
K&R sheshe2 May 2018 #36
Good for David! murielm99 May 2018 #38
Another rec for David Hogg! NBachers May 2018 #39
Let it rip David. LSFL May 2018 #40
Sanders is a self-described democratic socialist, elmac May 2018 #84
He is criticizing Sanders for a position which is not progressive JI7 May 2018 #108
... NurseJackie May 2018 #120
Really? mcar May 2018 #122
I see progressives slammed on a regular basis. shanny May 2018 #128
Did you mean to respond to me? mcar May 2018 #130
Since when is voting in favor of the NRA R B Garr May 2018 #200
Never. Voting with or for the NRA is definitely NOT progressive. NurseJackie May 2018 #231
I see them slamming. Cha May 2018 #290
Slamming a Democrat perhaps...but Independents are not in great enough numbers to help us Demsrule86 May 2018 #283
No you're wrong.. David is Telling the truth.. not sweeping Cha May 2018 #146
I know that is what he says. My question is do most of his followers or supporters Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #210
My kids who were really into Sen. Sanders in 16 don't like him anymore. Demsrule86 May 2018 #284
How progressive is this? lunamagica May 2018 #271
Senator Sanders said this year, "Stay in the D party" Sunlei May 2018 #250
i like this young man. Kurt V. May 2018 #41
K&R Gothmog May 2018 #42
+1000 smirkymonkey May 2018 #53
I stand with Bernie. PLCAA is fine. aikoaiko May 2018 #59
It helps kill innocent people. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #83
Not really. aikoaiko May 2018 #92
Yes, really. TheSmarterDog May 2018 #94
K&R ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #62
Smart & Fearless....Mr. David Hogg Me. May 2018 #67
Post removed Post removed May 2018 #69
David Hogg speaks the truth.. We are supporting him and the KIDS Cha May 2018 #76
It is him and his organization "our revolution." that goes after democrats. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #77
David speaks truth mcar May 2018 #73
What a bright young man, with an exceptional future ahead of him. Tarheel_Dem May 2018 #79
I am a Kamala Harris girl, I do NOT want Bernie to run in 2020, but I am also a stickler for truth Exotica May 2018 #81
This is not about gun lobby money Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #85
And he was wrong on that, but many have, in the short time I have been here tried to equate Exotica May 2018 #90
It actually looks like you are trying to add a diversion, not context. R B Garr May 2018 #247
I reject your characterisation of my posting, as it is inferring Exotica May 2018 #251
Right. You just want to make some tangential point about money R B Garr May 2018 #252
You must have reading comprehension issues, as I already adressed this in my multiple replies. Exotica May 2018 #253
I was just reading your concerns. R B Garr May 2018 #254
You need to address your 'concerns' to them (Sanders people), not me Exotica May 2018 #255
Ah, thanks for being honest. You are concerned about R B Garr May 2018 #256
LOL, you are delusional Exotica May 2018 #257
I was just reading your "concerns." R B Garr May 2018 #258
Any rational person reading this exchange sees through you Exotica May 2018 #260
Yes, I read your exchanges and the concern over making sure R B Garr May 2018 #261
I fully explained this above, I am done with this, as you keep Exotica May 2018 #262
I just read what you wrote and how you were diverting from the topic R B Garr May 2018 #263
I didn't illustrate anything than your own projections. Exotica May 2018 #264
Talk about projections! Now you are accusing people of calling Sanders a R B Garr May 2018 #265
your 'concern' is duly noted, and I will never allow you to define me or my posts Exotica May 2018 #266
Yeah, your "concern" is duly noted, as well. R B Garr May 2018 #267
It is not "because he got any money ever from the gun lobby." lunamagica May 2018 #268
Go tell it to a Sanders supporter, not someone like me Exotica May 2018 #269
I was just addressing your point that" but other threads attempt to portray Sanders in general, lunamagica May 2018 #270
I have said he was absolutely wrong in his vote, as well all the Dems (75 in total, counting Indies) Exotica May 2018 #273
Exactly, and that wasn't even the point of David Hogg's comment. R B Garr May 2018 #280
That is such an excellent graphic. R B Garr May 2018 #281
Who would have guessed? Some big names on this list. jalan48 May 2018 #91
The gun industry couldn't buy votes from Hillary or Obama Progressive dog May 2018 #105
Hogg is talking about how he voted. Many on that list still voted FOR gun control JI7 May 2018 #106
Yet somehow your point is missed by certain folks. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #211
Well said Uncle Joe May 2018 #107
Don't let facts clog the talking points JackInGreen May 2018 #142
This is Not what David Hogg is Cha May 2018 #147
I already responded to this above. Exotica May 2018 #150
Good, then you know what David is saying is Important.. Cha May 2018 #152
Yes, and I hope he calls out all who helped shield the gun manufacturers. Exotica May 2018 #154
How many others are out there Cha May 2018 #155
here is a list of every Democratic Caucus member who voted for it (including Sanders) Exotica May 2018 #156
I trust the intelligent, passionate young Cha May 2018 #158
I never said I was against Hogg at all, or what he did Exotica May 2018 #159
I didn't say you did. Cha May 2018 #160
All good then! Cheers Exotica May 2018 #161
thank you for speaking the truth questionseverything May 2018 #224
The patriot who posted this video is being harrassed heavily Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #82
Of course he is.. You say he's "Not" Cha May 2018 #115
I mean Now, not.. not. nt Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #119
I figured you meant that. :( Cha May 2018 #135
Yes, it was mob alert that got him temp suspended. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #184
So glad! Cha May 2018 #186
Suspended for posting a video of David telling the truth? What the fuck? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #213
oh my, oh my, Sanders isn't perfect elmac May 2018 #86
I think a large number of these kids are single issue voters. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #129
It is much more than that lunamagica May 2018 #272
Thanks for posting Gothmog May 2018 #275
sued for what? He's a good person & wants to help, do the right thing-but he's a shallow speaker. Sunlei May 2018 #87
Bernie voted to immunize gun manufacturers from product liability in 2005 ucrdem May 2018 #99
David Hogg is an excellent, passionate speaker Cha May 2018 #114
Was David Hoggs called a "shallow" speaker on this forum? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #214
No worries, Eliot.. Cha May 2018 #227
He is an excellent passionate speaker & 2 months- new to political arena & corporate 'law' Sunlei May 2018 #242
We're Fortunate to have him. I'm just sorry Cha May 2018 #276
A "shallow speaker?" mcar May 2018 #232
It's sounds insulting.. Cha May 2018 #277
This is how state Senators progress "gun control" legally in the courts! Sunlei May 2018 #244
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2018 #102
Sen. Sanders is correct on this matter Devil Child May 2018 #116
So why not shield other industries also ? JI7 May 2018 #117
Other industries didn't have the coordinate lawsuits against them like gun manufacturers tammywammy May 2018 #131
Has anyone ever sued a car dealer for selling to someone with a previous drunk-driving conviction PoliticAverse May 2018 #202
Is the primary purpose a car is built to kill human beings? Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #215
No he's not, (link) uponit7771 May 2018 #133
Mahalo for the link, uponit! Cha May 2018 #136
How do I un-block the intro to General Discussion? I want to see if gun... LAS14 May 2018 #123
K&R R B Garr May 2018 #132
I knew it was just a matter of time...Sanders tried to use their movement for his purposes lunamagica May 2018 #137
David Hogg is fearless workinclasszero May 2018 #140
David Hogg is FEARLESS! He sees a Cha May 2018 #144
The kid is awesome in my book Cha workinclasszero May 2018 #193
I truly admire this young man Gothmog May 2018 #219
David and all the #YPWW are all Cha May 2018 #229
And that twitter account is now suspended. ehrnst May 2018 #169
Do you do twiiter? Just because a Cha May 2018 #176
It's stalking, and harassment, and a clear abuse of the rules! Their admins suck... NurseJackie May 2018 #183
Right. There are a lot of opinions on twitter Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #185
I swear I have to get on there Cha May 2018 #190
Bravernak is on there. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #191
Yeah, I do too.. love brave! Cha May 2018 #192
I love Bravenak's tweets also Gothmog May 2018 #220
There were other tweets from that account that would ehrnst May 2018 #221
Yes, you can imagine who reported the account. It is very easy in fact. Let me help you. LonePirate May 2018 #177
So one has to assume supporters of a certain politician got that account censored. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #216
Sanders also said he is in favor now of repealing it. alarimer May 2018 #195
+1 Uncle Joe May 2018 #201
And none of those people should be our 2020 nominee nt Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #217
Nelson of Florida is one of the few still active in politics Gothmog May 2018 #218
Agreed... a vote like that should DISQUALIFY anyone from calling themselves "progressive"... NurseJackie May 2018 #235
Agree 100% Power 2 the People May 2018 #222
DLC and Third way dems? Feels like a smear. Tavarious Jackson May 2018 #237
It's David Hogg talking about the reality of Cha May 2018 #240
It's toxic and I don't spend much time here because of it. alarimer May 2018 #274
Shouldn't be surprising. trump is in the White House and people are furious ecstatic May 2018 #299
If true, kudos... assuming we ever get the house/senate back and that the Brady Bill ecstatic May 2018 #297
Gun Control Advocates are not going to forget or forgive Gothmog May 2018 #225
how to sue Corporations. prove 'fraud', or breaking a law or lies. Sunlei May 2018 #243
I'm going to go with the more consistent voice with respect to gun control. NCTraveler May 2018 #259
I don't think it's a "mistake" to speak the truth.. Cha May 2018 #279
It has zero to do with fear. NCTraveler May 2018 #282
David already said.. he didn't take nra money. Cha May 2018 #285
I just don't see fear as having anything to do with it. NCTraveler May 2018 #286
That isn't what I said.. David said BS didn't take Cha May 2018 #287
When I read something incorrectly.... NCTraveler May 2018 #288
Smart boy/ young man ecstatic May 2018 #295
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