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And THIS is why the Dems' cowardly decision [View all] choie May 2018 OP

Yep. Did we ever get a reason why the torturers weren't prosecuted or were they too big to fail? jalan48 May 2018 #1

As I recall, there was a strong sentiment PoindexterOglethorpe May 2018 #4

Pelosi's "off the table" Crash2Parties May 2018 #16

Garbage. MORE blaming Democrats for Republican crimes?! Hortensis May 2018 #62

Twist reality? choie May 2018 #64

If you are not worried about the peculiar mindset Hortensis May 2018 #75

Thank you! tonyt53 May 2018 #82

I did not want to tackle this Op. You are doing the heavy lifting. Thank you. sunRISEnow May 2018 #90

I meant to call out blaming Dems for Pub crimes Hortensis May 2018 #101

No, actual history. guillaumeb May 2018 #104

Do NOT defend blaming Democrats for GOP crimes. Hortensis May 2018 #105

I will call out whoever I damn well please. choie May 2018 #110

I disagree. guillaumeb May 2018 #114

Politicians protect each other. They are all afraid the next criminal to be prosecuted... S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #50

Imo, those who refuse to see enormous moral and Hortensis May 2018 #63

I agree. And it is old, should be put to bed, with the obvious facts available. sunRISEnow May 2018 #71

Should. The facts are SO old, but (sigh) so what? Hortensis May 2018 #99

Wait, according to you, the reason the Democrats in Congress The Polack MSgt May 2018 #93

The Polack MSgt, S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #94

How am I misunderstanding what you wrote? The Polack MSgt May 2018 #96

That's my read too on the poster's actual post mcar May 2018 #98

How much did Obama have Bush-the-dumber investigated for Bush's war crimes, ... S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #103

Canonization is not required to be able to see the difference between the 2 parties The Polack MSgt May 2018 #107

The Polack MSgt, S.E. TN Liberal May 2018 #108

"Believing Democrats have no faults" sunRISEnow May 2018 #113

It's a silly talking point. betsuni May 2018 #121

Not just "Democrats".. By Drake Bennett June 24, 2007 Cha May 2018 #123

Maybe you could ask Bernie Sanders.. he Cha May 2018 #124

Yep. Snackshack May 2018 #2

True - but then, what choice did they have? sandensea May 2018 #3

None of that applied after Obama was in office. OneBro May 2018 #7

Yes, we had the Presidency and both the Senate and the House. We could have held investigations into jalan48 May 2018 #11

that's because of white voters who largely went for Bush and Trump and most Republicans JI7 May 2018 #13

I'm not following what you are saying. In 2009 we controlled the government. We had the power to jalan48 May 2018 #14

that we are here today because of how mostly white people voted JI7 May 2018 #17

Interesting argument. jalan48 May 2018 #19

What does that have to do with it? choie May 2018 #22

They are held responsible by working to elect Democrats. independent Bernie Sanders didn't do JI7 May 2018 #26

Why are you pulling Bernie into this? shanny May 2018 #102

He opposed impeachment JI7 May 2018 #106

Of whom? Bush? shanny May 2018 #118

All of 2009? I don't think that's true. Weren't there gaps in the senate- Losing one person mattered bettyellen May 2018 #133

I've heard some say that it was still going on then. Mr.Bill May 2018 #70

We did hold investigations and there were also lawsuits. Please do the research. stevenleser May 2018 #126

Obama was still trying to be nice to Republicans DeminPennswoods May 2018 #29

"still" vi5 May 2018 #53

It's his nature to be concilliatory DeminPennswoods May 2018 #77

Yes. +100. It's Obama's personality. sharedvalues May 2018 #87

Yes, and in modern politics that is a fatal flaw. vi5 May 2018 #127

taking the high road never works elmac May 2018 #5

I agree. We have to be as ruthless and as nasty as they are to achieve our aims. smirkymonkey May 2018 #6

He's aggressive, but he's not a liar. SunSeeker May 2018 #9

the fascists know that if you tell a big enough lie elmac May 2018 #41

Here is one of the most important articles I've read this year: Garrett78 May 2018 #18

Thanks! Great article! smirkymonkey May 2018 #25

Excellent interview! CrispyQ May 2018 #58

Plus, our bulldogs are all one anonymous accusation away from... Beartracks May 2018 #60

This. CrispyQ May 2018 #128

+1. yonder May 2018 #27

How is defending choie May 2018 #20

how about the Independent Bernie Sanders ? he opposed impeachment also JI7 May 2018 #8

Oh did he now? Didn't he also want someone to primary President Obama? Hekate May 2018 #10

Really? That's your response? choie May 2018 #21

That's your answer? Did bernie challenge the decision or did he go along with it also? Wwcd May 2018 #33

Bernie was ok with that decision. How is he any different if you want to blame? Blue_true May 2018 #47

he is equally to blame choie May 2018 #65

I wasn't the one who started the blame laying. nt Blue_true May 2018 #74

Impeachment is not the answer to Trump... BlueJac May 2018 #79

Interestingly some folks don't grasp that it takes a 2/3 majority in the Senate for a conviction for still_one May 2018 #83

I'm sure they get it or don't care JI7 May 2018 #86

" three of the Senate's most liberal members -- Sherrod Brown, Bernie Sanders, and Amy Klobuchar -- Cha May 2018 #120

Exactly! Duppers May 2018 #12

Thought I remembered hearing that the crap done to Bill Clinton by the repugs was Canoe52 May 2018 #15

So? Does that mean that choie May 2018 #23

Was asking in reference to the OPs statement Canoe52 May 2018 #31

I wonder MFM008 May 2018 #24

This truth bomb just blew my house up Tiggeroshii May 2018 #28

Steve Schmidt said jodymarie aimee May 2018 #30

Where was Bernie in challenging "the cowardly Dems"? Wwcd May 2018 #32

no, he opposed impeachment also JI7 May 2018 #36

Maybe they wanted health care for Americans without health insurance instead. betsuni May 2018 #34

and that's what they ran on JI7 May 2018 #37

And yet there are still people insisting Dems only run on negative campaigns. betsuni May 2018 #38

I see...so it's only non elected officials choie May 2018 #40

+1,000 malaise May 2018 #35

IMO, here's the trade-off if * and Cheney had been prosecuted: no_hypocrisy May 2018 #39

Bringing reality into obnoxiousdrunk May 2018 #52

I've never understood how Germans could turn a blind eye to what Hitler was doing. jalan48 May 2018 #42

Exactly. choie May 2018 #49

Ding-ding.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #129

It only took 7 posts for someone to blame Obama BannonsLiver May 2018 #43

What the hell does Obama being black choie May 2018 #48

How many was your guess.. disillusioned73 May 2018 #130

Yawn. NurseJackie May 2018 #44

Yes. betsuni May 2018 #45

absolutely G_j May 2018 #46

cool story bro ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #51

Jesus fucking Christ. ismnotwasm May 2018 #54

Sing it sister, just that. sunRISEnow May 2018 #68

She won't torture. She will let a private company like black water do it. pwb May 2018 #55

soooo right. n/t librechik May 2018 #56

... SidDithers May 2018 #57

Attention All Democrats: {Ooooga.. Ooooga!!} Convene circular firing squad! farmbo May 2018 #59

Attention all Democrats! choie May 2018 #66

Sorry, I'm still not buying your premise. farmbo May 2018 #95

KKKK+RRRRR++++ zentrum May 2018 #61

The prosecution of crimes is not supposed to Progressive dog May 2018 #67

That's right. If anybody tortures choie May 2018 #69

So write the justice department and stop Progressive dog May 2018 #73

Stop blaming Democrats for trying to hold the country together. Nitram May 2018 #72

Gutlesss... BlueJac May 2018 #76

We never had the votes in the Senate for conviction...thus impeachment would have been foolish. We Demsrule86 May 2018 #78

Bullshit. Unless you have a 2/3 majority in the Senate, impeachment isn't going to happen. Perhaps still_one May 2018 #80

Cowardly. Torture is a nonnegotiable American value. sharedvalues May 2018 #81

Always someone here blaming democrats GulfCoast66 May 2018 #84

Not prosecuting kurtcagle May 2018 #85

We are here because some self-identified progressives refused to vote for the Democratic nominee, still_one May 2018 #88

I read a comic say, we that learn from the past have to live thru all those that did not learn from sunRISEnow May 2018 #91

Well stated still_one May 2018 #92

+1 mcar May 2018 #100

+1, Exactly. Divide, divide, divide. n/t FSogol May 2018 #134

... Scurrilous May 2018 #89

No, you are wrong. I'll explain to you why that couldn't happen. John Ashcroft and John Yoo stevenleser May 2018 #97

Excellent response, Steve peggysue2 May 2018 #109

No, Yoo's memos were worthless... TiberiusB May 2018 #111

That is one person's opinion and it is not correct. stevenleser May 2018 #112

Torture is against international law. American laws need not apply. redgreenandblue May 2018 #132

We regularly turn people over, when Interpol issues an international warrant. stevenleser May 2018 #135

Three more links...it's not one person's opinion TiberiusB May 2018 #136

None of those three links or your excerpts opine on the contention at hand stevenleser May 2018 #138

Furthermore, a Federal appeals court has ruled on a tangential point and found in favor of Yoo stevenleser May 2018 #115

And here, it is explicitly stated that Justice Dept memos are a get out of jail free card stevenleser May 2018 #116

From the same article... TiberiusB May 2018 #137

Again, that has nothing to do with the central fact stevenleser May 2018 #139

A lot of Dems knew about it and were ok with it. BlueTsunami2018 May 2018 #117

Besides Joe Lieberman, name some. nt stevenleser May 2018 #122

In 2006 I participated in DC rallies calling for impeachment. summer_in_TX May 2018 #119

Well said still_one May 2018 #125

Yep, doing it for "the national soul" isn't something covered in the Constitution. ehrnst May 2018 #131