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237. I have never said that 'there was no passion for gun control'
Mon Mar 26, 2018, 10:01 PM
Mar 2018

I have said things like "control is a myth". The only real control exists either as self-control or in places like ADX Florence.

On the contrary, the NRA probably loves very passionate displays for control and a furor of political activity around it. After all, every time it seems like there may be a new law or a candidate perceived as RKBA hostile is elected or has a chance of winning, the guns just fly off the shelves, the fund raising for the ILA gets put in high gear and the NRA membership drives become more commonplace.

The post to which I was replying, was suggesting that all mag fed semi-autos need some additional heavy regulations like perhaps banning them all or requiring some onerous level of constitutionally offensive hurdles to obtain or maintain possession. I just don't see it happening. I do see a lot of interest, expression and activity. I do hope there is some progress overall that is brought about.

My concern is that without looking at the details and mechanics of what makes a handgun or long gun work the way it does, those with the passion will fail to agree or maybe just won't sufficiently articulate to their representatives what they want. I have close friends and basically an adopted adult daughter who hunt wild hogs. There is no better alternative for that than an AR-15.

I can see lots of interest. Maybe there's a majority of Americans looking for more in the way of useful gun laws. I think it would be a tremendous Democratic victory if a reasonable and enduring law(s) was passed. OTOH it would be tragic failure to have a measure pass and fail in court.

I've heard about some folks mocking the MSD students that are speaking on this topic. I can't help but admire them more for continuing to speak. I see speaking out for your principles basically like this: If you aren't being attacked, either your cause isn't important or you're on the wrong side.

I hope you won't take offense at anything I'm saying here. I used to be a Republican. I became a Democrat because Obama was a sort of a guiding light toward progress for me. I staring lurking here on DU before the 2012 election and I drew the conclusion that Democrats would be the instruments of all (or almost all) political progress for the here and now.

As far as gun laws are concerned, I suggest that having a clear, reasonable and attainable objective is the only way progress will happen. I read posts from a lot of folks that seem interested in punishing gun owners somehow, costing them money, taking their guns or whatever. I have a lot of my own ideas on some things but I see another AWB or similar law as a swamp of a mistake.

I am not one saying, "There is or was no passion for gun control." I'm just saying it looks in some places there is an unfortunate ration of passion to pipedream.

Thank you for your attention and have a good night.

I could have used that last night Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #1
Last night is when I was posed the question, again Mortos Mar 2018 #6
Me. Too duhneece Mar 2018 #98
I'm saving this for future discussions here in Marble Falls. marble falls Mar 2018 #2
Are you talking about Marble Falls, TX? Miigwech Mar 2018 #7
Marble Falls, Tx marble falls Mar 2018 #19
Pretty sure there is only one Marble Falls just as there is only one Lampasas. efhmc Mar 2018 #67
There's a couple of Marble Falls, only one Lampasas marble falls Mar 2018 #128
Well only one Marble Falls in this neck of the woods. efhmc Mar 2018 #162
I drive through Lampasas about monthly when I go to Temple VA.... marble falls Mar 2018 #163
No, sorry. efhmc Mar 2018 #172
Good people, both him and his sister. Local musician, stole Pootie's statue from Pootie's bar... marble falls Mar 2018 #186
here's some Donnie Price for you.... marble falls Mar 2018 #226
Thanks. efhmc Mar 2018 #229
Donnie's just a good all around decent human being. marble falls Mar 2018 #230
Excellent. It is also weapon of choice of 3%ers, oathkeepers, militia groups, racists, white wingers Hoyt Mar 2018 #3
Ever notice that you never see these clowns with one-shot, bolt-action deer rifles? Aristus Mar 2018 #10
That is my rifle of choice, and I won't have anything to do with the NRA RainCaster Mar 2018 #17
Hopefully, you will no longer have that choice before long. Hoyt Mar 2018 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #140
If a mighty, mighty deer hunter can't work the action of a hunting rifle Aristus Mar 2018 #142
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #143
I'm fine with a five-round magazine. Aristus Mar 2018 #147
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #148
And then they banned gun sales through the mail. Aristus Mar 2018 #151
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #245
Or we could go BOTH ways! Aristus Mar 2018 #253
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #283
You know as well as I do that semi-auto weapons with high-capacity magazines Aristus Mar 2018 #286
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #290
Apparently you don't know very well. Straw Man Mar 2018 #296
Not one with an IQ above 75. paleotn Mar 2018 #43
low iQ Larrybanal Mar 2018 #57
That picture shows a group of armed militia showing an enemy flag. padfun Mar 2018 #131
I think the data show that handguns are still the preferred weapon of school shooters. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #4
Come on Mortos Mar 2018 #8
Not a dodge. The AWB you tote covers semiauto rifles, shotguns, & handguns in certain configurations aikoaiko Mar 2018 #9
So because gunners insist on writing watered-down laws that allow too many loopholes shanny Mar 2018 #15
Not quite. The latest AWB after Sandy Hook was defeated by changing the grip for $35 aikoaiko Mar 2018 #16
Well I am tired of stupid enthusiasts Tumbulu Mar 2018 #22
Oooh, pleasure seeking. So evil. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #37
Aussies said precisely the same thing.... paleotn Mar 2018 #41
Look, I'm no big gun fan, don't know a ton about them but s/he appears to be correct ... mr_lebowski Mar 2018 #59
Aussies paid gun owners compensation NickB79 Mar 2018 #87
Yes, $150bbn TwistOneUp Mar 2018 #114
When your pleasure Tumbulu Mar 2018 #113
I'm confident all firearms won't be banned within the US in 5 years aikoaiko Mar 2018 #121
"If the gun nuts don't stop this obfuscation all weapons will be banned in the US within 5 years" EX500rider Mar 2018 #133
You will see, that remains the choice of the gun nuts Tumbulu Mar 2018 #154
Pass some laws first hack89 Mar 2018 #165
Dream on and watch Tumbulu Mar 2018 #167
I have been watching for over 20 years hack89 Mar 2018 #168
"or the imaginary right will be taken away." EX500rider Mar 2018 #169
Just dream on. No need for you to worry Tumbulu Mar 2018 #174
One of us needs to dream on, that I agree with. EX500rider Mar 2018 #214
Pretty sure all laws and rights are by their very nature, imaginary LanternWaste Mar 2018 #211
No, all those things are not imaginary.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #215
Trump was the 1st one to suggest it weissmam Mar 2018 #129
insincere HopeAgain Mar 2018 #29
Yeah, I'm been transparent about my firearms. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #32
Ban them all, but put in a provision to send all ex gun owners thoughts and prayers cards. Canoe52 Mar 2018 #192
That's funny. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #193
horse shit..... paleotn Mar 2018 #39
Perfect snort Mar 2018 #101
"I'll make it simple for you.... EX500rider Mar 2018 #134
And so were Browning BAR's paleotn Mar 2018 #150
"As one who seems to think the blood of innocent people is just the price we have to pay... EX500rider Mar 2018 #152
The constitution gives the rights for states to keep militias Tumbulu Mar 2018 #155
The Bill of Rights guarantees the rights of the people. EX500rider Mar 2018 #159
Dream on, times up Tumbulu Mar 2018 #160
Rate of fire for all semi-autos are pretty much the same. Reloading magazines slows them down. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #195
The gun humpers show up at every turn to obfuscate the discussion AllyCat Mar 2018 #47
we can have both if you're willing to compromise. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #48
It's the gun nuts that aren't willing to compromise. Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #71
Absolutely! Tumbulu Mar 2018 #110
I don't consider gun bans to be compromises. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #282
Whatever. Don't even for one minute act like the problem is Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #325
compromising means giving as well as getting aikoaiko Mar 2018 #331
Sorry, kids are dying Downtown Hound Mar 2018 #338
Assault weapons AND dead kids? I think we AllyCat Mar 2018 #130
Nope...the lower receiver is the only part legally considered a gun.... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #23
I understand the lower is the only part regulated as a firearm, but that has never been aikoaiko Mar 2018 #34
you are not up on the debate...all of the things that I have said are part of current legislation mentalslavery Mar 2018 #51
Please show me the federal law that banned the AR15 lower. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54
I just did dude, we had an national assault weapons band that sunsetted after W mentalslavery Mar 2018 #55
You are factually incorrect. AR lowers were never banned. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #62
you dont not know how to read legislation...section C...you figured otu the google tho! mentalslavery Mar 2018 #66
I love it .....the legislation literally says Colt AR and your like, it never banned AR lowers..WHAA mentalslavery Mar 2018 #70
You are still factually wrong about the 1994 banned AR lowers aikoaiko Mar 2018 #73
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #75
rofl aikoaiko Mar 2018 #78
thought you were walkin way.. mentalslavery Mar 2018 #80
Actually, I said I wouldn't argue. Laughing is another matter. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #86
You should have walked away before sputtering nonsense about lowers being banned in 94. Marengo Mar 2018 #173
I worked the gun counter at a sporting goods store in 2000. We sold AR's NickB79 Mar 2018 #90
Legislatures will study and review the guns that have been used in mass shootings Sophia4 Mar 2018 #91
Agree 100%! Tumbulu Mar 2018 #156
You are absolutely right. So future legislation should be worded flamin lib Mar 2018 #42
Precisely.... paleotn Mar 2018 #46
"We have the numbers...we have the votes. They do not." EX500rider Mar 2018 #135
Um no.... paleotn Mar 2018 #149
Whats your valid reason for owning those firearms? Marengo Mar 2018 #175
hand guns and bolt action only...comin for your guns... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #74
Handguns are responsible for far greater numbers of gun deaths and injury than rifles of any type... Marengo Mar 2018 #177
what about limiting the size of the magazine.? Kurt V. Mar 2018 #72
Of course. Its probably the smartest thing that is doable. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #76
good. i know gun owners that support this Kurt V. Mar 2018 #126
This message was self-deleted by its author A HERETIC I AM Mar 2018 #85
Arguing with aikoaiko is like arguing with the NRA. nt USALiberal Mar 2018 #50
ANY Gun of any size or clip capability is an ASSAULT weapon, Guns are made for Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #276
Fine, let's do something about those too. Glad you brought it up. Hoyt Mar 2018 #13
Yes! Tumbulu Mar 2018 #25
I triple dog dare you. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #35
See, this is really what its all about..Aikoaiko is a perfect example... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #77
My ignore list grows snort Mar 2018 #106
In what way is Aikoaiko a criminal? Marengo Mar 2018 #176
Amen! shanny Mar 2018 #36
Good,if true. The injuries are less lethal. But there is still the issue of pnwmom Mar 2018 #61
Well, then lets talk about magazine size rather than firearms. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #64
Police use SWAT tanks too. That doesn't mean civilians should. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #92
Technically, civilians can have tanks. Not many people want them. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #95
No, it is illegal for a civilian to drive around in a SWAT tank. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #104
Yes, its true that they don't have all the parts and you can't drive them on roads typically, aikoaiko Mar 2018 #108
Just to be clear... Adrahil Mar 2018 #206
Thanks for your concern about "clarity." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #218
He CAN fire real shells. He doesn't. Different point entirely. Adrahil Mar 2018 #222
It would be illegal to fire real Sherman tank shells. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #223
wrong on all points.. Adrahil Mar 2018 #225
It is not "perfectly legal" for a civilian to shoot a Sherman tank shell. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #227
Yes, it IS legal to shoot the gun. Adrahil Mar 2018 #228
An idiot doing stupid shit on Youtube doesn't prove it's legal. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #233
The Shermans main gun is classified as a large bore destructive device under Title II, and most... Marengo Mar 2018 #238
The "tanks are perfectly legal" talking point is demonstrably false. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #239
You have made several demonstrably false statements in this discussion and have been corrected. Marengo Mar 2018 #251
I have shown it is illegal, at least in California, the jurisdiction I am familiar with. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #261
Nonsense, you added that qualifier AFTER you were proven wrong. You are not well informed on... Marengo Mar 2018 #262
Wrong. The person I was responding to offered no qualifier, saying it was "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #264
Rubbish, it is legal on a FEDERAL level, and in a majority of states. California code does not... Marengo Mar 2018 #269
If it is not legal for the majority of the US population; it's not "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #271
I sincerely hope this is an intentional display of Marengo Mar 2018 #274
NY + Calif 59 million US pop 325 million....hardly a majority. EX500rider Mar 2018 #284
Wow, the tag teaming continues. Obsessed much? SunSeeker Mar 2018 #285
Just pointing out your poor math skills. EX500rider Mar 2018 #287
My math skills are good, EX500rider. Marengo cited only one unnamed state. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #289
How about this place, in TEXAS. oneshooter Mar 2018 #317
Heres a link to list of NFA laws by state compiled by a Class 3 dealer. The LBDD column containes.. Marengo Mar 2018 #326
Have any comment on the info in post #326? Marengo Mar 2018 #356
Uh oh, looks like youre wrong again. Legal with a permit from the California DOJ, 12305(b). Marengo Mar 2018 #327
Marengo, it is you who is wrong. Again. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #333
LOL! You claimed it is illegal to possess a large bore destructive device in CA, turns out its not Marengo Mar 2018 #334
It is illegal, as you will find out if you try to do it. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #335
Sorry, but you are owned by your own citation. 12305(b) allows for possession by individuals Marengo Mar 2018 #336
Nope. Narrow, CADOJ approved uses of cannons hardly equate to it being "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #337
Sorry, your own citation proves a process exists to allow individuals to apply for a permit to.... Marengo Mar 2018 #339
That's like saying because a surgeon can cut someone open, it is "perfectly legal" to cut someone. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #340
I'd stop digging if I was you. EX500rider Mar 2018 #343
I'd stop making shit up if I were you. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #345
You were making shit up in post 104, and when proven wrong you starting tossing out qualfiers... Marengo Mar 2018 #355
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #357
In other words, you were wrong. Did you intentionally fail to mention the statute provides... Marengo Mar 2018 #348
No, I cited the statute accurately. You wrongly said it was "perfectly legal." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #350
No, you are either uninformed or are being disingenuous. The good cause provision is not limited... Marengo Mar 2018 #354
I have one of these in my barn. Rebuilding the engine. Is this a "swat tank"? oneshooter Mar 2018 #316
full disclosure. .. Kurt V. Mar 2018 #183
17 people were killed in Parkland in 6 minutes, 26 people were killed in Sandy Hook.... George II Mar 2018 #83
I agree that ARs have been used in massive and tragic massacres. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #84
There are different ways to look at it - we can look at the number of incidents and weapons.... George II Mar 2018 #89
I agree there are different ways to look at it. Legitimate and illiminating ways. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #93
You are making an argument for the US to ban the sales and possession of semi-auto handguns. n/t Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #182
Banning all semi-autos would be more consistent with what anti-gun violence want. aikoaiko Mar 2018 #185
Not necessary, most gun deaths are due to semi-auto handguns, frankly I have little interest... Humanist_Activist Mar 2018 #208
Handguns are responsible for a multitude of killings every single day across the country MichMan Mar 2018 #102
So let's stiffen the penalties for illegal carry...and make every single person who wants one Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #224
The problem is not the penalty. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #241
Not in New York...make it a felony. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #252
Felonies are plea-bargained away all the time. Straw Man Mar 2018 #265
Just because some won't get the max is no reason not have laws...people still murder but Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #272
What? Straw Man Mar 2018 #273
Perhaps I sent this to the wrong person...but those who say a law won't work because some will Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #297
And I presume it was a standard hand gun that was emptied into that black man in Sacto Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #277
Assuming are you referring to the recent police shooting, ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #292
Right, so all guns are a problem Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #298
I don't know how to build a watch, but I know how to tell time. forgotmylogin Mar 2018 #88
My watch says it's time to ban highly lethal weapons that grantcart Mar 2018 #171
+1 (n/t) forgotmylogin Mar 2018 #190
If the goal ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #266
Yesterday I marched in Pittsburgh carrying this sign FakeNoose Mar 2018 #5
Thank you. People who ought to know, say this -- Hoyt Mar 2018 #14
That signs stats seem unlikely. EX500rider Mar 2018 #136
Wow. Straw Man Mar 2018 #268
Great OP! nt raccoon Mar 2018 #11
They are weapons of war ornotna Mar 2018 #12
Nicely put. Paladin Mar 2018 #18
I can't add anything more MustLoveBeagles Mar 2018 #20
Another feature of an assault rifle SCVDem Mar 2018 #21
AN ASSAULT RIFLE IS ABOUT BEING ABLE TO LAY LEAD... mentalslavery Mar 2018 #30
Barrel length is an issue SCVDem Mar 2018 #120
A quicker response is, "Fuck off. You know what we're talking about." hunter Mar 2018 #24
I personally like..."oh...ok...well if you don't know what one is then you won't miss it" mentalslavery Mar 2018 #60
Good post - packman Mar 2018 #26
NRA trolls out in full force HopeAgain Mar 2018 #27
"NRA-Russian" Cryptoad Mar 2018 #52
You wouldnt align with Scalia on Texas v Johnson, Maryland v King, or Brown v EMA? Marengo Mar 2018 #178
great post Locrian Mar 2018 #28
No it was not hack89 Mar 2018 #166
So outlawing a round that wounds while leaving available.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #219
Thank you. K and R oasis Mar 2018 #31
An assault weapon is one that is pointed at me...... lastlib Mar 2018 #33
We can figure it out Johnny2X2X Mar 2018 #38
Unless you have memorized and can recite . . . MrModerate Mar 2018 #40
LOL - what if your spouse is pointing one at you FakeNoose Mar 2018 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #144
Absolutely! We need a definition that includes these: William Seger Mar 2018 #44
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #145
Same gun. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #242
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #247
Until we evolve, i.e. grow up and stop needing these toys, we should allow the 2nd to be Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #278
WOW! Thank you for that - may I quote you? Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #45
Share and quote away Mortos Mar 2018 #58
Thank you! I will! Mountain Mule Mar 2018 #164
I freely admit that I am anti-gun. Stonepounder Mar 2018 #56
All bullets yaw and break up on impact Abnredleg Mar 2018 #109
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #146
According to wikipedia, approximately 1100 rounds. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #248
The problem is not the rate of fire either. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #244
I have a question for you regarding your last statement. Stonepounder Mar 2018 #256
Not presuming to answer for ManiacJoe, but I have my own ideas. Straw Man Mar 2018 #270
Thank you for a perfectly reasonable response to the first part of my question. Stonepounder Mar 2018 #275
Much of what we need is already in place. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #293
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #250
No guns would be needed at all, well almost none, if we enforced the 2nd Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #279
I have a new question for gun owners MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #63
I imagine most of them would say they plan to shoot it next time they go to the range or hunting. EX500rider Mar 2018 #68
White, racist hillbillies, mostly NickB79 Mar 2018 #97
Me, too! MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #99
Are you suggesting a Porsche should not be legal to own because it looks fast? MichMan Mar 2018 #157
No MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #161
Cars again? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #280
I'm sorry I even mentioned cars ... I see that used all the time now in arguments between pro-gun MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #312
Well, I do have a lot of swords... Adrahil Mar 2018 #207
Here's your chance to use it. I'll answer it Sailor65x1 Mar 2018 #232
No, you've answered it. You would kill animals that are menacing children (or others) MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #236
I have owned AR-15s for decades without harming a single living thing hack89 Mar 2018 #300
Yes, I have a question.. EX500rider Mar 2018 #65
Bump stocks Mortos Mar 2018 #137
Don't insult your intelligence by repeating the truth you already posted? EX500rider Mar 2018 #141
They say we don't know enough about guns to regulate them Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #69
Excellent counterpoints. Make the owners know about the effects. To their family/friends/loved ones erronis Mar 2018 #124
Why does anyone honestly own a gun outside of hunters and hunting rifles? Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #281
Great post...I like to ask them what they would prefer to be shot by BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #79
Depends on the round. EX500rider Mar 2018 #258
Ill take the lower velocity handgun, Bob BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #260
What an "assault weapon" is depends on how Congress and legislatures define it when Sophia4 Mar 2018 #81
K & R SunSeeker Mar 2018 #82
2A nt Morris64 Mar 2018 #94
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #96
-1000. It can be modified damn close. Besides in "legal" format, it's plenty lethal. Why else would Hoyt Mar 2018 #105
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #111
Close enough. Go play a stickler with 2nd Amendment folks, they love that crud. Hoyt Mar 2018 #112
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2018 #118
The "why are they popular" is very easy to answer. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #249
Kills effectively, makes you feel powerful as one mass shooter put it, easy to conceal, etc., is Hoyt Mar 2018 #254
"Why don't you guys give up these weapons voluntarily like "responsible" citizens." EX500rider Mar 2018 #259
He would want folks to give up their guns.. X_Digger Mar 2018 #288
One would think Hoyt would have learned by now. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #294
So another highly emotional plea painted with a broad brush krispos42 Mar 2018 #100
Fine, semi-auto handguns should be restricted too. AR15s are the most popular guns among Hoyt Mar 2018 #107
So your primary goal is stigginit to people you don't like krispos42 Mar 2018 #117
ban all of the above samir.g Mar 2018 #231
Im sorry, but theres nothing more obnoxious in a debate than pedantry. Oneironaut Mar 2018 #103
Exactly. Interview an ER doctor or EMT and let them describe what matters about these weapons. Hoyt Mar 2018 #115
If you want meaningful legislation on something you won't get there through ignorance of the subject EX500rider Mar 2018 #116
Thats the thing, though. A basic knowledge is sufficient. Oneironaut Mar 2018 #119
Yes, a basic knowledge is sufficient in most cases. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #295
Dont coddle gunners by trying to carve out some of their favorite lethal weapons. Just, ban Hoyt Mar 2018 #122
You work on that but I won't hold my breathe EX500rider Mar 2018 #132
Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #123
Excellent! I will shamelessly borrow from this in future discussions with gun nuts. Nitram Mar 2018 #125
Well written ! jimmyzvoice Mar 2018 #127
I am the original author Mortos Mar 2018 #170
Good post. Very well written. Captain Stern Mar 2018 #138
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #139
"How about we ask all the people at Parkland that were killed what they think it means?" cstanleytech Mar 2018 #153
A gun... Snackshack Mar 2018 #158
And ammo ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #179
No Snackshack Mar 2018 #199
You imagine a distinction where one does not exist. Straw Man Mar 2018 #210
Everything Snackshack Mar 2018 #216
Big game hunters do not use the .223 round. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #240
How cosmic. Straw Man Mar 2018 #243
Before we go any further. Snackshack Mar 2018 #255
Your suggestions were based on erroneous information. Straw Man Mar 2018 #263
Aside from the notion. Snackshack Mar 2018 #299
It's not a "notion." Straw Man Mar 2018 #301
Having more Snackshack Mar 2018 #303
That's part of it ... Straw Man Mar 2018 #307
I certainly agree with you. Snackshack Mar 2018 #309
Cho Seung-Hui managed to kill 32 people with handgun powered ammunition, more than the MSD... Marengo Mar 2018 #180
7.56 is another size round. Snackshack Mar 2018 #196
Does this 7.56 have any other designation, a commercial name or the like? Marengo Mar 2018 #198
Not that I am aware of. Snackshack Mar 2018 #201
Did you by chance mean to type 7.62? Marengo Mar 2018 #202
Yes. Snackshack Mar 2018 #213
Do you mean 7.65mm? That would be a .30 caliber. oneshooter Mar 2018 #318
You meant "assault weapon" not assault rifle. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #181
I think he doesn't know what he meant, thus the thread discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #184
I am a veteran Mortos Mar 2018 #191
What were your dates of service? Marengo Mar 2018 #194
Are you really going to question my experience and honesty? Mortos Mar 2018 #197
As a veteran myself, Im always curious about other vets service eras, experiences, duty stations... Marengo Mar 2018 #200
It is a common tactic of gun lovers Mortos Mar 2018 #217
Thank you for your service, Mortos. And thank you for your posts here. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #234
Have a nice day as well discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #204
This message was self-deleted by its author Matt_R Mar 2018 #246
What are the legitimate civilian uses of an AR-15 that can't be achieved... Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2018 #257
There are no lower capacity rifles. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #291
If they want to have discussions on that treestar Mar 2018 #187
We don't have to know, but our lawmakers better consult experts who know IronLionZion Mar 2018 #188
Unfortunately, consulting the experts rarely ever happens. ManiacJoe Mar 2018 #220
I'm hoping our leaders have learned from those mistakes IronLionZion Mar 2018 #221
I would add... MicaelS Mar 2018 #189
Rizwan Farook and Omar Mateen were white? Marengo Mar 2018 #205
We should agree with them and say OK, let's talk about all semi autos Amishman Mar 2018 #203
And as long as the "control" crowd is reaching that far... discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #209
For years, the "gunner" crowd insisted there was no passion for gun control. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #235
I have never said that 'there was no passion for gun control' discntnt_irny_srcsm Mar 2018 #237
This weekend will have proved absolutely nothing if it does not result in legislation. hack89 Mar 2018 #302
Your concern is duly noted. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #304
Trust me, I am not concerned hack89 Mar 2018 #305
Something has already happened. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #306
Doesn't mean things will change hack89 Mar 2018 #308
Things have already changed, and leadership is not ignoring the issue. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #310
What I see happening is UBCs, tighter background checks and maybe magazine size limits hack89 Mar 2018 #311
LOL You went from "Nothing will happen" to "UBCs" & mag size limits. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #313
They will throw you a bone while avoiding a big fight over gun control hack89 Mar 2018 #314
LOL. Man, the gunners are shitting their pants over the thought of an AWB. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #315
There will be no AWB hack89 Mar 2018 #319
You just said we would get "nothing." Then you said we'd get UBCs and mag limits. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #320
So put your cards on the table hack89 Mar 2018 #321
This isn't a card game, hack. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #322
Basic knowledge of history and politics makes prediction easy hack89 Mar 2018 #323
No one predicted these kids, hack. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #324
Until legislation is passed, no predictions have been proven wrong hack89 Mar 2018 #328
Florida already passed legislation no one predicted would pass. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #329
Minor legistation that does not take a single weapon of the street hack89 Mar 2018 #330
By that criteria, an AWB similarly "won't impact the vast majority of gun owners." SunSeeker Mar 2018 #332
Except all gun owners hate gun bans hack89 Mar 2018 #341
Wrong. 67% of Americans, including 53% of gun owners, favor an assault weapons ban. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #342
Unfortunately we don't have national referendums hack89 Mar 2018 #344
History told us we'd never have millions of people take to the streets for gun control. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #346
Millions have marched against abortion hack89 Mar 2018 #347
No, the March for Our Lives was much larger than any anti-abortion march. SunSeeker Mar 2018 #349
Time will tell but somehow I doubt it. hack89 Mar 2018 #351
Of course you doubt it. You don't want to believe it's happening. nt SunSeeker Mar 2018 #352
When an AWB and registration pass the US Congress hack89 Mar 2018 #353
I still think the definition is important better Mar 2018 #212
"What is an assault rifle?" Response: "Describe the female reproductive system you want to regulate" Bucky Mar 2018 #267
KICKEDY KICK garybeck Mar 2021 #358
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