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shadowrider

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19. When my ex-wife was pregnant with all my kids, the Dr. gave info on

Reply to CTyankee (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 03:04 PM

Jul 2012

breast feeding. It was left up to her what to do. She wasn't forced to do anything one way or the other.

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Mayor Bloomberg pushing NYC hospitals to hide baby formula so more new moms will breast-feed [View all] shadowrider Jul 2012 OP

Bloomie's just getting weird BeyondGeography Jul 2012 #1

Agreed n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #2

That is patently assinine. Not all women want to breast feed. I did not. My mom could not. peacebird Jul 2012 #3

Some women are taking/using substances and should not breast feed...does bloomberg include Tikki Jul 2012 #48

How is anyone forcing someone to breast feed? randome Jul 2012 #49

It works because you now need a "medical reason" to give an infant formula shadowrider Jul 2012 #50

Every woman in a hospital is under the care of a physician pnwmom Jul 2012 #55

Well, the nurses need to document a medical reason. randome Jul 2012 #57

ummm... I am a woman, I believe we are smart enough to know what is right for us. I remember the peacebird Jul 2012 #66

I'm sure it can go both ways, as you said. randome Jul 2012 #69

"Doctor, this woman refuses to feed her infant, it will die without a medical request for formula" peacebird Jul 2012 #73

I don't understand the need for documentation, either. randome Jul 2012 #77

They already document how you're feeding your baby gollygee Jul 2012 #93

Good point. randome Jul 2012 #99

"document a *medical reason* for every bottle (of formula) that a newborn receives" HiPointDem Jul 2012 #147

It is to keep the nurses honest. They push formula for prizes. vanlassie Jul 2012 #111

I very seriously doubt that. Most hospital pediatric departments i've been in have been promoting HiPointDem Jul 2012 #148

No it is not policy in most hospitals, which is why California vanlassie Jul 2012 #150

well, it apparently is around here, because even our tiny country hospital has a lactation HiPointDem Jul 2012 #151

This rule only applies to mothers who WANT to breastfeed and are trying to do so. pnwmom Aug 2012 #205

Every woman giving birth in any hospital Sheepshank Jul 2012 #191

Not encouraging is NOT "forcing". aquart Jul 2012 #153

Yep. Totally agree. TwilightGardener Jul 2012 #156

Thank you!...n/t whathehell Jul 2012 #201

And it is patently untrue. The OP misstates what the regulation will do. pnwmom Jul 2012 #204

Bloomie hates choice on any number of topics ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #4

Got Milk ? Betty Jo Jul 2012 #5

Breast feeding is clearly the better answer ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #26

Not necessarily true.... physioex Jul 2012 #27

In what way possible is corn subsidised by the government shadowrider Jul 2012 #29

I was referring to the corporate structures that run this country.... physioex Jul 2012 #30

Anyone can market anything they want. It's the consumers choice whether or not to buy. shadowrider Jul 2012 #34

OMG This place can be more RW than Yahoo.... physioex Jul 2012 #36

I don't disagree shadowrider Jul 2012 #41

I think there are places that should be free from marketing. gollygee Jul 2012 #95

And that was my point... physioex Jul 2012 #101

Using the force of law and regulation ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #43

I'm so sick of libertarians, that this seems like a welcome change. pnwmom Jul 2012 #134

Exactly. What are all these reactive comments about? Geesh. vanlassie Jul 2012 #138

Fought 1%er like Bloomie all my life to give people options, its not libertarian in the least ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #139

Well in this case, even a clock is right twice a day. vanlassie Jul 2012 #141

Interesting seeing the thread in HOF on this ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #144

The OP that you seem to agree with said "The nanny state is going after moms." pnwmom Jul 2012 #143

breast feeding is healthier riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #6

+1 Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #9

While I agree with you for obvious reasons, this removes, without a medical reason shadowrider Jul 2012 #10

the baby formula companies are doing the same thing lame54 Jul 2012 #14

I don't disagree shadowrider Jul 2012 #15

And this could actually help the parents make a choice. xmas74 Jul 2012 #20

The choice is still with the parent. If the mother refuses to nurse pnwmom Jul 2012 #56

Exactly. randome Jul 2012 #59

The documentation is aimed specifically at the nurses, (and docs)who have a habit of pushing formula vanlassie Jul 2012 #83

or are the corporations doing everything they can do get moms to give up breastmilk - which is FREE Coexist Jul 2012 #22

I understand, but you made the decision, it wasn't made for you. That's my point n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #24

they sent formula to a brand new mom... who may be struggling with breastfeeding Coexist Jul 2012 #25

I don't think "tired and exhausted" is a good state to be in. CTyankee Jul 2012 #87

I was a LLLI leader... I made house calls for free at all hours for new moms Coexist Jul 2012 #91

What you are saying was not my or my daughters' experience at all! CTyankee Jul 2012 #105

the vulture like access was referring to formula companies having their products Coexist Jul 2012 #113

I never said Nestle was the good guy. Nor would my daughters who tried so hard. CTyankee Jul 2012 #120

To me, being inundated with free samples and "swag" that basically makes me a formula advertizement antigone382 Jul 2012 #33

It absolutely does not remove any choice of a parent. pnwmom Jul 2012 #53

It does remove choice. From the article: shadowrider Jul 2012 #54

Wrong. There is ALWAYs a medical reason. If the mother chooses not to nurse, pnwmom Jul 2012 #89

Exactly! Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #124

Do they search her bags when she checks in??? vanlassie Jul 2012 #108

the mom doesn't need a "medical reason"- if you read the article Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #92

She wants the nanny state to feed her child. The formula cost goes on the insurance bill. vanlassie Jul 2012 #107

To me the nanny state would be the hospitals telling women to use formula riverbendviewgal Jul 2012 #131

No, it gives, for medically supported reasons, the BEST nutrition for the BABY. cleanhippie Jul 2012 #165

Pushing unnecessary drugs and antibiotics to avoid lawsuits is a much greater public health threat 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #193

like bloomberg cares if proles breastfeed or not. it's about the $$$$. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #7

What money would that be? randome Jul 2012 #103

Medicaid, Medical Assistance Program, Family Health Plus, NYC Public Hospitals. HiPointDem Jul 2012 #146

Yeah, I still don't get that. randome Jul 2012 #161

medicaid is paid for by the feds and the *states* and managed by the *states*. poor people HiPointDem Jul 2012 #194

I too question his what his real motivations are ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #140

actually Mass. has done this, and it is a good thing- Romney vetoed it Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #8

Excellently put. randome Jul 2012 #37

Great points. nt. bananas Jul 2012 #115

He's fighting an uphill battle, but SoCalDem Jul 2012 #11

YES, the obesity epidemic does have connections to artifical feeding. vanlassie Jul 2012 #109

Power has gone to this jerks head. /nt still_one Jul 2012 #12

Not necessarily, read my post above. EOM physioex Jul 2012 #28

A tit fascist? Fire Walk With Me Jul 2012 #13

My favorite new mom ran low on breast milk KamaAina Jul 2012 #16

"manufactured baby food, as we know it today, was a byproduct of the European Industrial Revolution" villager Jul 2012 #17

No to the advertisement, but I'm worried about the parents not having something for backup. CTyankee Jul 2012 #18

When my ex-wife was pregnant with all my kids, the Dr. gave info on shadowrider Jul 2012 #19

Not every new mom has that advantage. There was a tragic story a few years ago where CTyankee Jul 2012 #21

When I had my child xmas74 Jul 2012 #23

Good. Unless a mother is incapable of breast feeding, that's the best way to raise a baby. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #31

sometimes, tho, women with the best of intentions, go thru a LOT of torment when the CTyankee Jul 2012 #86

I'd file that under "incapable" even though it doesn't mean she's not producing milk. HopeHoops Jul 2012 #154

sigh! I don't think the mayor HappyMe Jul 2012 #32

. shadowrider Jul 2012 #35

He isn't saying anything of the sort. randome Jul 2012 #40

And all I said said was he shouldn't have HappyMe Jul 2012 #44

No one is taking anyone's rights away! randome Jul 2012 #46

So we're all good then. The mayor DIDN"T say you have to breastfeed! vanlassie Jul 2012 #104

You would think so, wouldn't you? randome Jul 2012 #118

Yep vanlassie Jul 2012 #122

As a Mom who also worked for an Infant Formula Company HockeyMom Jul 2012 #38

First big sodas, now this. LisaL Jul 2012 #39

What about the sodas? physioex Jul 2012 #79

This is not about which is better. This is about freedom of choice. nt Comrade_McKenzie Jul 2012 #42

Absolutely correct n/t shadowrider Jul 2012 #45

+1 eShirl Jul 2012 #47

Absolutely HockeyMom Jul 2012 #51

No one's going after moms. They're making it harder for corporations to pitch pnwmom Jul 2012 #52

"If anyone deserves a 'nanny state,' it is newborns." gollygee Jul 2012 #100

Medical necessity says otherwise TheKentuckian Jul 2012 #127

Nutrition is a medical necessity. All a doctor has to say pnwmom Jul 2012 #130

i think this is wrong for a number of reasons. nt seabeyond Jul 2012 #58

So you think mothers SHOULD be encouraged to use formula? randome Jul 2012 #60

right. that is what i said. really rollin eyes. this is rw argument and so fuckin seabeyond Jul 2012 #61

Maybe it depends upon which hospital, because the hospital where I gave birth to my three boys, IndyJones Jul 2012 #149

Yeah, I'm thinking it's different in NYC for some reason. randome Jul 2012 #160

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #168

Equal, no. Decisions, yes. vanlassie Jul 2012 #200

I always cast my vote for a Mayor who thinks he has a legal say in my baby feeding decidions. n/t kickysnana Jul 2012 #62

Read the thread. randome Jul 2012 #63

Ah, grasshopper you have a lot to learn n/t kickysnana Jul 2012 #78

This about hospitals, doctors and nurses not being marketing agents Cairycat Jul 2012 #64

- randome Jul 2012 #67

Way to many people here don't understand.. physioex Jul 2012 #81

A nurse told me gollygee Jul 2012 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #170

If you glance at the article, you will see Cairycat Jul 2012 #188

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Jul 2012 #190

So a hungry infant has to wait for formula to be available EmeraldCityGrl Jul 2012 #65

The formula fed baby will learn about waiting for food anyway Cairycat Jul 2012 #71

Pure sensationalism....That isn't going to happen. EOM physioex Jul 2012 #76

Adoption HockeyMom Jul 2012 #68

Actually, it's possible for adoptive mothers to nurse Cairycat Jul 2012 #70

I wish I had known that. mzteris Jul 2012 #84

The choice to breastfeed or formula feed is up to the mother, not Mayor Bloomberg. IndyJones Jul 2012 #72

If an action has medical consequences, shouldn't there be a medical reason for the action? Cairycat Jul 2012 #74

I am well aware of the benefits and downfalls. It is not a government official's place to make it IndyJones Jul 2012 #85

There is no 'medical necessity' for the mother randome Jul 2012 #102

Then why does the article state that a medical reason must be documented? IndyJones Jul 2012 #114

A 'medical reason' can likely be a note by the nurse. randome Jul 2012 #116

Proving that this is a ridiculous attempt to interfere in something that is no one's decison IndyJones Jul 2012 #117

That's the point. randome Jul 2012 #121

So the presumption is that mothers are too stupid to decide for themselves so the gummament IndyJones Jul 2012 #129

I DO agree. randome Jul 2012 #132

well, Indy, that's the point. vanlassie Jul 2012 #133

I don't think they are taking away anyone's rights. I appreciate the links of information IndyJones Jul 2012 #142

+1000 HockeyMom Jul 2012 #75

This guy's totally out of control. WillowTree Jul 2012 #80

Yeah, he's just the worst Republican around? HuckleB Jul 2012 #98

First, they came for the smokers. But I did nothing... n/t LuckyStrykes Jul 2012 #82

. HuckleB Jul 2012 #97

I don't think they should be handing out the free formula diaper bags, but OTOH I don't think gollygee Jul 2012 #88

Sometimes it's hard to remember Bloomberg is a Republican jmowreader Jul 2012 #94

What? A Republican versus "Big Pharma?" HuckleB Jul 2012 #96

I thought the same thing...what's wrong with this picture... CTyankee Jul 2012 #106

Okay, he's losing it now. What's wrong with him???? He shouldn't be elected again. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #110

Bloomberg - strange. emilyg Jul 2012 #112

"Document a medical reason for every bottle" is about medical personnel being ACCOUNTABLE Cairycat Jul 2012 #119

I'm starting to wonder if Murdoch has a stake in Nestle or something. redqueen Jul 2012 #189

Ok, so say you're the Mayor of big major NYC... MichiganVote Jul 2012 #123

More of the same - old white men trying to control everything women do. nt TBF Jul 2012 #125

Exactly!!! And that plus a power trip! n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #126

Each day gets a little weirder. n/t RKP5637 Jul 2012 #128

This policy just changes default behavior, and saves the gov't $ missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #135

who gave him the power over a families personal decisions on their baby? madrchsod Jul 2012 #136

That's a bit of a stretch. vanlassie Jul 2012 #137

Oh good god. Alduin Jul 2012 #145

He's right. aquart Jul 2012 #152

Will she be limited to producing 16 oz.? B2G Jul 2012 #155

So stupid. I tried breastfeeding and my baby did not take to it. Jennicut Jul 2012 #157

No, no, no. Your children are sickly, scrawny, less intelligent, full of allergies, TwilightGardener Jul 2012 #158

I know. Jennicut Jul 2012 #163

My wife breastfed our daughter Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2012 #159

Next thing you know he'll be mandating that everyone wear name tags. Arkana Jul 2012 #162

Or have numbers tattooed on their bodies slackmaster Jul 2012 #167

I wish some of these late posters would bother to peruse the rest of the thread. randome Jul 2012 #164

I don't need Nanny Bloomberg dictating that I receive a lecture B2G Jul 2012 #172

It is a lost cause. redqueen Jul 2012 #181

Breast v. bottle is not the issue here...the issue is that Bloomberg should not be AzDar Jul 2012 #166

He certainly needs to review his job description. nt Remmah2 Jul 2012 #169

Who should be responsible for putting checks on corporate advertising if not a public official? randome Jul 2012 #171

He's not doing this because of corporate advertising B2G Jul 2012 #173

No one is taking anyone's choice away. randome Jul 2012 #174

This isn't about corporations, you are extrapolating that to boost your argument B2G Jul 2012 #175

Are you just taking contrary positions to everything I say? randome Jul 2012 #177

They are being forced to listen to a lecture B2G Jul 2012 #179

I saw nothing mentioned about a lecture. randome Jul 2012 #180

From the article in the OP B2G Jul 2012 #184

Since when is trash from the Post considered to be worth anything? nt redqueen Jul 2012 #187

This is pure bloomberg nonesense. He is a power hungry ass. He dictated a similar thing with the still_one Jul 2012 #176

What kind of 'dictation' is taking place? randome Jul 2012 #178

As far as I know no nurse or doctor tells a mom they must use formula. In fact they try to still_one Jul 2012 #196

Mayor Nanny hates indiviudal freedoms. ... spin Jul 2012 #182

This message was self-deleted by its author B2G Jul 2012 #183

nobody is denying babies their formula ffs.. frylock Jul 2012 #185

Butbutbut MURDOCH SAID!!!! redqueen Jul 2012 #186

Just take the kids at birth and raise them until they're 21 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #192

What's next? Glassunion Jul 2012 #195

I am generally skeptical of invocations of "nanny state" complaints . . . markpkessinger Jul 2012 #197

Well then, you will be glad to know vanlassie Jul 2012 #199

Is it just me, or does he seem overly interested in what people are drinking. n/t hughee99 Jul 2012 #198

He's really had some odd ideas lately. jpbollma Jul 2012 #202

Just stop hiding the breasts jberryhill Jul 2012 #203