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Eliot Rosewater

(31,109 posts) Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:35 PM Mar 2018

Why does unconditional support of the D party bother some? [View all]

I wonder if they understand math.

There are how many political parties in America? (please dont waste my time with saying more than 2)

So you either are on board to support the D party unconditionally or you are not. If you are not then that ends up helping the other party.

period.

Now if in 10 years the Democrats control the entire government and they appoint justices that overturn Roe or shit like that, then said unconditional support ends.

NOT before that.

Unless some are confused that TODAY's D party is not on the right side of the issues? If you think that, you either are a republican or should be.

Let me try it this way.

Do you understand my statement has NOTHING to do with blind allegiance to a political party? NOTHING?

If you dont see that yet, you either dont want to or your agenda doesnt allow it. M A T H

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Why does unconditional support of the D party bother some? [View all] Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 OP

Vote for Democrats! mcar Mar 2018 #1

Yes. If people would just stop and think MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #2

Unconditionally? You mean if Trump changed parties I have to support him? ollie10 Mar 2018 #3

Drumpf is his own party. The GOP picked him up from Vlad's 5 and dime bin... haele Mar 2018 #24

I suppose so, but if he changed parties treestar Mar 2018 #87

more likely, since he has no core values, he would just be trying to play us ollie10 Mar 2018 #91

We would be smart enough not to nominate him treestar Mar 2018 #93

Why this straw man argument? That will never happen and that is not what the OP is about. brush Mar 2018 #140

Ivanka and Jared call themselves Democrats I believe..... ollie10 Mar 2018 #144

Again with more distraction? Don't waste our time talking about those two repugs working for that... brush Mar 2018 #153

+1... I support nothing, unconditionally. nt Snotcicles Mar 2018 #90

So you're saying that both sides do it Cary Mar 2018 #187

Because I have a brain, and I don't blindly accept what I'm told by anybody. NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2018 #4

traitor! Bonx Mar 2018 #10

Thanks. I'll wear it with honor. NT mahatmakanejeeves Mar 2018 #13

More like bad at math. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #15

Being able to do simple arithmetic doesn't make you good at math either. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #174

+1000 meadowlander Mar 2018 #66

Math is not irrational. The premise of the OP is not rocket science. Vote Democratic and we are... brush Mar 2018 #141

True. So the one-step forward two-steps back repitition should make sense to math people as well. KPN Mar 2018 #161

It's not that complicated. Vote Democratic and we get control of at least one house of Congress... brush Mar 2018 #162

True. It isn't that complicated. And I don't believe it will be KPN Mar 2018 #164

And voting based on math isn't "unconditional" support. meadowlander Mar 2018 #175

Come on. Get serious. Pedophiles, anti-Semites and racists would be weeded out by the primary... brush Mar 2018 #179

You're talking about unconditional support for anyone with a D after their name. meadowlander Mar 2018 #193

Give it up. I'm not biting on divisiveness. It's a simple concept. Vote Democratic to take back... brush Mar 2018 #207

As long as we can agree that words actually mean things meadowlander Mar 2018 #209

This!! Ferrets are Cool Mar 2018 #78

Then why can't you figure it out for yourself. It's not that hard. Third Parties are for Chumps. PubliusEnigma Mar 2018 #85

Do you think about anything treestar Mar 2018 #88

Right...well since you have a brain...looking at the situation of the Democrats having no control, Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #96

Personally, I think it is a no brainer. But I also understand the view of people who don't vote KPN Mar 2018 #163

Status quo? Hell I would give my left arm for a 'status quo'. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #170

I agree. It was a perfect storm election. KPN Mar 2018 #178

God I hope that he is gone. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #186

I'm with you as far as voting. After 2020 KPN Mar 2018 #196

First of all what you talk about won't come fast...we need to fix the ACA first and offer Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #199

No doubt. It won't be easy. But voters have a short attention span. KPN Mar 2018 #203

literal unconditional support of anything is madness Exotica Mar 2018 #5

My comment has NOTHING to do with that. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #17

Lol. Try reading it again. Exotica Mar 2018 #44

Has nothing to do with what? melman Mar 2018 #201

It is madness to lose a seat in a red state treestar Mar 2018 #89

I stand by my post 100% Exotica Mar 2018 #146

Nope...not in this case...it is our only way to stop the GOP. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #97

Unconditional means Stalin or Hitler etc could run as a Democrat Exotica Mar 2018 #136

That is a pretty far fetched hypothetical. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #173

Of course it is far fetched, I was using absurdity to show the absurdity Exotica Mar 2018 #181

Some believe you shouldn't vote for a Democrat unless he is some sort of pure entity...this is what Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #183

I do not agree with the people that apply purity tests, I was Exotica Mar 2018 #185

Sounds reasonable...I want to run candidates that fit the district. or state. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #188

here is an example of me defending exactly that tailoring (Kyrsten Sinema for Senate in Arizona) Exotica Mar 2018 #189

It could be the person was known as an infiltrator...it happens. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #195

No. They were a 15 year poster with 30K posts Exotica Mar 2018 #197

I have no idea...was it post removed? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #200

Yes it was. Someone alerted on a pro Sinema post. That is crazy as she Exotica Mar 2018 #204

I vote for Democrats only LanternWaste Mar 2018 #6

LOL Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #11

I only vote for Democrats, don't miss an election, and I am critical of the the party and candiates CentralMass Mar 2018 #52

This sort of 'complexity' has caused multiple losses to the point we are on the cusp of an outcome Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #98

"you're either with us or against us" Glassunion Mar 2018 #160

Sounds like you have your own line Egnever Mar 2018 #7

MATH Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #19

it became complicated when you put your own line in the sand Egnever Mar 2018 #20

Because it does not take into account Lars39 Mar 2018 #8

YES it DOES... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #12

Not locally. Lars39 Mar 2018 #16

I am talking about State and Federal. In both cases, the party with ONE more seat than Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #18

Really? Lars39 Mar 2018 #21

Name one please. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #99

Lieberman Lars39 Mar 2018 #127

He was not a Republican...that is your answer? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #129

Post removed Post removed Mar 2018 #9

Then my math class didnt work ... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #14

You're right; it's all about the numbers at this point in time peggysue2 Mar 2018 #38

And he is not actually anti choice, he is personally but supports Roe. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #39

You've never been the enemy, Eliot. peggysue2 Mar 2018 #43

I second that Peggsue...you would think people would see the danger...ah...I think some are part of Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #100

No, he's not anti-choice. His voting record is pro-choice. That makes him pro-choice. ehrnst Mar 2018 #61

I stand corrected. peggysue2 Mar 2018 #64

Common error even by Dems. ehrnst Mar 2018 #69

Lord! NurseJackie Mar 2018 #60

The trolls and bots billh58 Mar 2018 #157

I will no doubt be voting... tonedevil Mar 2018 #22

Unfortunately given the number of people who constantly BASH our candidates who claim Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #23

Nothing you are doing here... tonedevil Mar 2018 #25

Persuaded? No, this site is for DEMOCRATS, there should not be a SINGLE person Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #26

Then your bullying... tonedevil Mar 2018 #28

agreed Egnever Mar 2018 #30

AMEN #2 RandomAccess Mar 2018 #57

How is he bullying? Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #65

I don't do unconditional anything... tonedevil Mar 2018 #67

Bullying implies being threatened. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #74

Agreed melman Mar 2018 #202

No one is bullying anyone Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #29

I reject... tonedevil Mar 2018 #31

What does that have to do with Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #62

Thanks , and it is of course not bullying unless your position is you dont really Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #35

I think it's dishonest to tell people that what they're perceiving RandomAccess Mar 2018 #58

Not when what they are "perceiving", or more accurately spinning, Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #63

Sorry, you don't get to tell people what they are experiencing RandomAccess Mar 2018 #72

No I get to point out when they are spinning. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #73

No, plenty of bullying goes on that has very little if any RandomAccess Mar 2018 #125

Which never happened in this case. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #148

YOUR vote on that just doesn't count. Sorry. RandomAccess Mar 2018 #154

Every vote counts Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #165

But we're not talking about democracy in this sub-discussion RandomAccess Mar 2018 #191

Don't forget that we're also talking about Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #194

No, that's even more sh*t from RandomAccess Mar 2018 #205

Sounds like you're the one bullying now. Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #206

Really...so because someone says we need to support Democrats...you perceive bullying? Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #101

Of course it's hard to understand that -- RandomAccess Mar 2018 #128

Who cares about Bernie Sanders? He is in the Senate...not my Senator...and I don't always like his Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #172

Thank you for illustrating my point RandomAccess Mar 2018 #190

What is the point? My point is some like him, some don't and others (like) me are indifferent and Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #192

It is an accusation that some pull out Trumpocalypse Mar 2018 #149

It's called "Gaslighting". Russians and Republicans are masters of it. n/t Decoy of Fenris Mar 2018 #110

AMEN RandomAccess Mar 2018 #56

He is advocating voting for Democrats...on a Democratic site that should be a given...we support Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #95

A few thoughts in return Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #27

My Congressional district has not been competitive for some time Gothmog Mar 2018 #37

That's really interesting. Thanks for sharing your experience Tom Rinaldo Mar 2018 #41

I have also been trying to help recruit candidates Gothmog Mar 2018 #45

I am also curious about this Gothmog Mar 2018 #32

And if you have to get one here and there who is personally against abortion but for the right of Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #34

I look at issues such as do they think that brown people should vote Gothmog Mar 2018 #40

I'm with you! Basic LA Mar 2018 #33

How about unconditional support of a treasonous president, repugs? Motley13 Mar 2018 #36

Even this year I won't give "unconditional" support. Hortensis Mar 2018 #42

I would merely point out that party loyalty has lead to important wins by Republicans and if we Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #104

Agree with all but the first sentence. Lack of party Hortensis Mar 2018 #118

I think we are on the same page...and I absolutely think the lack of party loyalty led to the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #133

it's really not that black-n-white DrDan Mar 2018 #46

It really is. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #105

Joe Lieberman. Voltaire2 Mar 2018 #47

Will break my rule a 2nd time today... Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #48

Yeah, thats who I had in mind. Lars39 Mar 2018 #49

They tried, but when it didn't work treestar Mar 2018 #92

Just read both party platforms. LiberalBrooke Mar 2018 #50

It doesn't bother me one bit Hayduke Bomgarte Mar 2018 #51

Can Democrats still have primaries? left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #53

Awwww... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #59

Sure, but let's avoid a primary like we see in WV...which serves no purpose Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #108

So, go with the flow and don't make waves left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #126

And win...what do you think will happen if we keep arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #130

My post referenced Democratic primaries left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #166

Primaries often influence if we win or not...everything we do should be calculated to win...I Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #168

okie dokie smokie left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #169

Let's part friends...we both want the same thing to get rid of GOP types ...and fascist Trump. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #177

Your love us or leave us posts are off-putting to those who like to think we make the best choices aikoaiko Mar 2018 #54

I think the word "unconditional" is entirely inappropriate RandomAccess Mar 2018 #55

Here is my issue Bettie Mar 2018 #68

OK... so you understand that someone who is anti-lgbt, anti-choice, anti-immigrant, ehrnst Mar 2018 #75

And if one snuck in ...why we have Supers to save the day! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #176

Indeed. Samantha Bee posited that the GOP would give their right nut ehrnst Mar 2018 #180

They will feel even more so...when they lose the House...yep...I think they will lose it! Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #184

yes you support them if they are running against a GOP ...we still get the majority Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #111

What the difference between "unconditional support" and "blind allegiance"? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #70

One can support a candidate 100% without agreeing 100% with their strategy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #76

"If" is a conditional word. So, no, that's not "unconditional". (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #122

My defintion of Democrat the Democratic platform ehrnst Mar 2018 #131

Once the nominee is decided and depending on the state/district treestar Mar 2018 #94

I don't know. Why, what has that to do with "blind allegiance" or "unconditional support"? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #123

We can and should support Democratic candidates we don't agree with 100% Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #112

We can and should support Democratic candidates we don't agree with 100% Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #113

How is that related to any difference between "unconditional support" and "blind allegiance"? (nt) muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #124

I don't get your point. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #132

The point is the OP says "unconditional support" and "blind allegiance" are completely unrelated muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #134

Ah...I see. Well just my two cents...I unconditionally (always) vote for the Democrat in the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #138

I can see your personal position, though I'm not sure it is what the OP is about muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #139

I can't speak to the views of the OP...just my two cents. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #143

I am presumptively for the Democratic Candidate MaryMagdaline Mar 2018 #71

Power in numbers. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #77

It is the "unconditional" part that bothers me. alarimer Mar 2018 #79

Unconditional support of Democrats means a majority. Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #115

One reason I'm a Democrat Soxfan58 Mar 2018 #80

One helps GOP types get elected by criticizing and demanding Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #117

We're facing real & true fascists bent on destroying our cities, our country, and our world. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #81

There is a difference hueymahl Mar 2018 #82

No zipplewrath Mar 2018 #83

I just reread reply #79 democrank Mar 2018 #84

Sure...and when we lose and can't recover because we are on the cusp of doing so...maybe you will Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #119

Amen. Sick of it being called blind allegiance. treestar Mar 2018 #86

Because a party that gets nothing but unconditional support never gets any better. Orsino Mar 2018 #102

Sure supporting Democrats will of course never never get those things that you advocate (sarcasm). Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #120

If unconditional support means I can't bitch about the party then count me out. CrispyQ Mar 2018 #103

Yeah because telling others how awful the Democratic party is attracts new Democratic voters Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #121

Are you familiar with the term "Mindguard"? n/t Beearewhyain Mar 2018 #106

Because I am a critical thinker, unlike many R voters that give unconditional support to their party Freethinker65 Mar 2018 #107

Unconditional support of any political party is morally and intellectually reprehensible. Decoy of Fenris Mar 2018 #109

That's why there are primaries louis c Mar 2018 #114

And if there are two dems running in my district and MY choice is far less likely to win than Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #137

You're Speaking My Language louis c Mar 2018 #210

Are you kidding? Political orthodoxy is like crack to some people. Aristus Mar 2018 #116

Yeah, they congratulate themselves for not voting for this imperfect candidate or that imperfect Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #135

Surely "unconditional support for a political party" is "political orthodoxy"? muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #142

I'll accept the lesson in terminology. Aristus Mar 2018 #145

Making perfect the enemy of good *can* cause huge problems muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #151

I was thinking less of Jill Stein, and more of Bernie Sanders. Aristus Mar 2018 #155

What is your distinction between "blind" and "unconditional?" nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #147

Hint: it probably has something to do with the word unconditional. Nt aidbo Mar 2018 #150

Yep, some wish to reserve their right to HOLD their NOSES or WHINE about Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #156

I believe that VANITY and EGO are big motivators also. People like Sarandon (and others)... NurseJackie Mar 2018 #159

Heaven forbid some wish to reserve the right not to pretend every candidate with a following D... Marengo Mar 2018 #167

Still dont get the math, eh. Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #171

I agree. I don't get it. The GOP is nothing but a group of Lint Head Mar 2018 #152

So if Democrats choie Mar 2018 #158

You mean like Joe Biden did? How about if they voted to continue funding the Iraq War? ehrnst Mar 2018 #182

I am assuming you probably voted for Kerry who voted for the Iraq war. And yes, you need to vote Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #198

so it doesn't matter how choie Mar 2018 #208

No it doesn't...if kerry is candidate for example which he was you vote for him in the Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #211