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alphafemale

(18,497 posts)
144. It is what coward means. Dropping a baby to save your own hide is disgusting.
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 10:47 AM
Jul 2012

And yes it is something that should be judged.

That article doesn't even mention a young guy who was wounded trying to help this woman LisaL Jul 2012 #1
yeah, but other articles do. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #3
link to the story of the kid who saved this family Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #9
Not judging him, since everyone has a different reaction in the face of danger Cooley Hurd Jul 2012 #2
I've heard it's situations like this when you find out what you're made of. He was a coward. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #120
Yes, and you're SUCH a peach. Occulus Jul 2012 #129
Read the definition of "coward." A little education goes a long way. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #132
He was in a blind panic. Could you relate an instance when you were in a similar situation? TalkingDog Jul 2012 #165
I agree with you, Talking Dog. kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #182
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #242
You know, I wish you are NEVER in any kind of danger nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #195
I was with this guy up until the point he put his infant down and ran out of the theater. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #4
Actually, I think he threw the baby aside...from what I heard. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #5
Yikes...I understand panic, but yikes. Drunken Irishman Jul 2012 #8
Actually the worst part of this story is that he proposed to her malaise Jul 2012 #78
That says a lot about the dynamics marlakay Jul 2012 #123
Pathetic. Codeine Jul 2012 #6
Apparently, he wasn't a "wuss." Fawke Em Jul 2012 #69
I stand corrected. Codeine Jul 2012 #71
part pussy part wimp arely staircase Jul 2012 #186
"Wimp" is "imp" with the "woo." Fawke Em Jul 2012 #217
In the face of this kind of male cowardice, whathehell Jul 2012 #227
then limp dick it is nt arely staircase Jul 2012 #228
Fear is powerful. No one can predict "what they would do" Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #7
wise words, dave elehhhhna Jul 2012 #43
No one can predict whether or not they would prove to be a coward. Marr Jul 2012 #96
If that makes you feel better, so be it. Arctic Dave Jul 2012 #98
The man is a scumbag to the nth degree... Missycim Jul 2012 #243
He panicked. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #10
He drove off. Apparently, she had to call him on the phone before he returned. LisaL Jul 2012 #12
the problem is his driving away and how he came back only when she called him to JI7 Jul 2012 #19
he left his babies to die! sorry, he gets no slack from me. his fiance should dump him. ellenfl Jul 2012 #49
Im sure shes giving him the treatment. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #53
sorry, i have to disagree. they're HIS KIDS. this says so much about his character . . . ellenfl Jul 2012 #55
The way I read this only the infant was his left is right Jul 2012 #110
Since he was holding his infant, if he just run from the theater with the infant, LisaL Jul 2012 #133
this is what got me magical thyme Jul 2012 #196
Cowardice is not the norm... Mike_Valentine Jul 2012 #62
In his case the flight instinct was stronger. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #80
I don't think military career would be a good fit for this guy. LisaL Jul 2012 #93
Definately not. Nt HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #95
I'm thinking Neocon national security adviser to Mitt might work for him. CanonRay Jul 2012 #139
I'm thinking GOP chickenhawk. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #158
I agree... Mike_Valentine Jul 2012 #113
Yes, perhaps norm was a poor choice of word. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #157
you raise arely staircase Jul 2012 #159
Yes, its a natural instinct for mothers. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #160
but the driving force arely staircase Jul 2012 #162
I think even the worst of parents would fried eggs Jul 2012 #74
Easy to say when you're not in that position. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #77
I don't think anyone here suggested that he should be somehow punished. LisaL Jul 2012 #92
Well, the OP said he was getting a beating on the web, HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #97
He found out just who he is at his core. He found out that he is a coward. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #121
My own feelings echo yours. dixiegrrrrl Jul 2012 #161
Yeah, and I'm sure his child, when old enough Le Taz Hot Jul 2012 #99
Did you read 1984? HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #106
Video clip of dude running away alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #11
Yeah, it was a Costanza thing to do...BUT, not all of us rise to the occasion TwilightGardener Jul 2012 #18
there was this same video on youtube with subject "jamie rohrs" exclusive footage JI7 Jul 2012 #20
That's hilarious. LisaL Jul 2012 #21
not sure what I would do under the circumstances Whisp Jul 2012 #13
I'M think it should read ex-fiance. sarcasmo Jul 2012 #14
he asked her to marry him after all of this happened at the hospital JI7 Jul 2012 #23
That much stress and fear, it's easy to do stupid shit REP Jul 2012 #15
Yeah...I was once so preoccupied that I pulled into a supermarket parking lot TwilightGardener Jul 2012 #22
It's kind of terrifying to realize what you've done, too (at least for me it is) REP Jul 2012 #40
HE LEFT HIS KIDS! eom ellenfl Jul 2012 #50
But he put his baby down and left him. How could anyone do that "stupid shit"? pnwmom Jul 2012 #116
And it's his son. LisaL Jul 2012 #138
I hope neither one of us are in that sort of situation to find out first-hand exactly what we'd do REP Jul 2012 #223
the GUy is a Loser, not because he ran out but because he even drove away JI7 Jul 2012 #16
It's interesting Dash87 Jul 2012 #148
Says a lot about human nature, that. redqueen Jul 2012 #230
None of us knows how we, personally, would react... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #17
it's not him leaving the danger zone, but him driving home and how she had to call him JI7 Jul 2012 #25
Yes it was not a shining moment... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #86
He could have been in shock. n/t kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #190
Yes, that's very possible... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #213
Once he was out cops were there marlakay Jul 2012 #137
The worst part, IMHO, was putting his baby boy on the floor and abandoning him pnwmom Jul 2012 #172
Since he is the one who gave interviews and told this story, why exactly should he be left alone? LisaL Jul 2012 #26
True, he's out there giving interviews... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #85
It's his KID laundry_queen Jul 2012 #30
Yes it's his kid... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #84
I really don't think that prtecting one's child is atypical. LisaL Jul 2012 #237
Yeah, well if I reacted the way he did NYC Liberal Jul 2012 #101
He seemed surprisingly unconcerned about it... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #141
He wouldn't have had to be heroic to keep holding the baby he was holding pnwmom Jul 2012 #117
Yes, that is very true... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #140
Yes, it was a gut reaction. His survival instincts kicked in. Now he knows: he's a coward at hiscore Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #124
Again, I am not saying he did not act in a cowardly fashion... ljm2002 Jul 2012 #143
this is what happens when you have a culture of emasculation datasuspect Jul 2012 #233
i do - but i have situational awareness and extensive urban combat training. datasuspect Jul 2012 #232
is it emasculation or is it self absorption? newspeak Jul 2012 #234
i already conceded your point datasuspect Jul 2012 #235
Tempted to say something, but I also haven't been shot at before. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #24
Coward!!!! Cali_Democrat Jul 2012 #27
If its fair for me to say that some people were brave then I think I can say he was cowardly. aikoaiko Jul 2012 #28
We are all different HockeyMom Jul 2012 #31
Well we know what he did, though. LisaL Jul 2012 #90
Is this the guy who proposed to his fiancé after they went to the hospital? Gin Jul 2012 #29
yes, it's that one JI7 Jul 2012 #33
Geez....he was crying and sobbing..... Gin Jul 2012 #39
yes. he ran from theater. Another guy saved his family. He returned and proposed. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #38
Of course he left. It's what the Republican Party taught him. Scuba Jul 2012 #32
Well, looks like that relationship is finished. nt valerief Jul 2012 #34
Last I hears she plans to marry him, since she accepted his proposal. LisaL Jul 2012 #36
no. They are now engaged. Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #37
Two reactions: I have pity for him personally, but I like the public condemnation... reformist2 Jul 2012 #35
There was plenty of pressure in days past in one's own community. We don't need THIS. Zalatix Jul 2012 #56
You can pick a pResident, klook Jul 2012 #65
Great point... Mike_Valentine Jul 2012 #114
Absurd. There are no "cowards" in a firefight. Robb Jul 2012 #41
Is running away while leaving an infant behind normal? LisaL Jul 2012 #42
Depends on how romantic your view on humanity is. Robb Jul 2012 #45
I think she is not getting more praise because people expect that a parent will try to save LisaL Jul 2012 #46
People do expect that, I agree. Robb Jul 2012 #47
As a guy with attention deficit caseymoz Jul 2012 #83
A coward puts his baby on the floor to die so he can save himself. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #125
Would you like us all to say what we think of YOU now? Occulus Jul 2012 #131
Coward: a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #134
Coward is not a presentation of facts. caseymoz Jul 2012 #180
I understand that no one really knows exactly what they'd do... liberalmuse Jul 2012 #44
i thought him not mentioning the guy who did help save his girlfriend and kids JI7 Jul 2012 #48
When I lived in Hollywood in the late '70's kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #197
When I was a kid, my mom left us swimming with a shark. Bonobo Jul 2012 #51
Let's talk about the Internets-that-never-forget, can we? Zalatix Jul 2012 #54
If you want to keep your mistakes private, it might help if you don't give interviews describing LisaL Jul 2012 #58
I believe he was caught on video. Zalatix Jul 2012 #60
What video? LisaL Jul 2012 #66
I am 100% sure that I would not leave my kids in an ocean if a shark was spotted. Bonobo Jul 2012 #64
The fact that other people might have reacted the same way doesn't make it NOT cowardly. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #187
I can't judge him. Ilsa Jul 2012 #52
There is only ONE villain in this story (and it's not this guy) Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #57
Obviously he was in shock Generic Brad Jul 2012 #59
Not going to judge him, not until I am in his shoes. People are wired differently. sabrina 1 Jul 2012 #61
When I've been in this guy's shoes, I will feel qualified to judge him Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #63
And sometimes, a person whose arm is blown off will pick it up and attempt to stick it back on. Poll_Blind Jul 2012 #67
I didn't realize DU had so many heroes... n/t cherokeeprogressive Jul 2012 #68
I'm conflicted over whether this guy deserves the scorn he's getting. Zalatix Jul 2012 #102
Or so many "perfect" parents. kentauros Jul 2012 #105
Nobody knows how they'll react to when the shit hits the fan till it actually does. Kaleva Jul 2012 #70
But this guy now does! LisaL Jul 2012 #72
Society expects the man to sacrifice himself in order to defend others. Kaleva Jul 2012 #79
Three men reportedly did just that during the massacre. LisaL Jul 2012 #82
Society expects Parents to Sacrifice for children, he threw his baby aside JI7 Jul 2012 #94
Yup, everyone's quick to judge. Zalatix Jul 2012 #103
Again, if you don't want your issues to be aired in front of the world, don't go on TV LisaL Jul 2012 #136
You seem to be really adamant about this. Zalatix Jul 2012 #198
When somebody tries to make it personal, I assume it's because they can't argue any other way. LisaL Jul 2012 #202
It looks like you're the one making it personal. Zalatix Jul 2012 #210
Yep. Easy to be heroic sitting behind a keyboard. HooptieWagon Jul 2012 #81
That guy deserves the Congressional Medal of Dishonor (nt) Nye Bevan Jul 2012 #73
What a cowardly thing to do. Alduin Jul 2012 #75
Count down to "former" fiancee... 5,4,3,2,1 jaysunb Jul 2012 #76
Leave your kid? Yeah former if she has any sense. lonestarnot Jul 2012 #87
Well flight or fight def kicked in for him.. I can't judge nadine_mn Jul 2012 #88
More powerful in some than others. LisaL Jul 2012 #89
FYI--I found a post on HuffPo about a fundraising site for the young hero: tblue37 Jul 2012 #91
Who is he? George Costanza? Initech Jul 2012 #100
For all the idiots here cutting this guy some slack, I give you the wisdom of Chris Rock NickB79 Jul 2012 #104
Um, yeah, I love Chris Rock too Downtown Hound Jul 2012 #107
"I take care of my kids. You're supposed to, ya dumb motherfucker!" NickB79 Jul 2012 #108
Is it really necessary to call people names? n/t kurtzapril4 Jul 2012 #201
Calling DUers who disagree with you 'idiots'? That's against DU rules. Zalatix Jul 2012 #221
I hold no judgement of him. I cannot imagine what it must have been like in that theater. FedUpWithIt All Jul 2012 #109
he panicked. barbtries Jul 2012 #111
That is the definition of cowardice. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #126
i never said it was okay. barbtries Jul 2012 #167
I haven't seen anyone suggesting he should be brought up on any charges. LisaL Jul 2012 #177
I have no idea what I would do under these circumstances, Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #112
That YOU may have done the same thing doesn't make it not cowardly. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #127
I may or may not have done the same thing. Are_grits_groceries Jul 2012 #153
I don't know why you need your own definition. Just read the one in the dictionary. LisaL Jul 2012 #173
Until bullets are flying,no one knows how they will act. Swede Jul 2012 #115
Some behave cowardly. alphafemale Jul 2012 #118
True. Some seem to think that if they had done the same thing, that makes it not cowardly. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #128
It is what coward means. Dropping a baby to save your own hide is disgusting. alphafemale Jul 2012 #144
wow...the sheer number of people on this thread giving this guy a pass ProdigalJunkMail Jul 2012 #119
I thought the same thing. People think that if they had done that, that would make it okay. Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #130
Who said it was okay? Who said leaving a baby in a crowded theatre full of gunfire was OKAY? TalkingDog Jul 2012 #206
It goes w/o saying he was in panic mode, just like everyone else. That's another way of trying Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #207
I agree. Alduin Jul 2012 #149
Thank you! I totally agree!! Carolina Jul 2012 #151
Kids that age at that movie at that time? FreeJoe Jul 2012 #122
thunk alphafemale Jul 2012 #154
NO Sherman A1 Jul 2012 #203
Panic is a motherfucker. Iggo Jul 2012 #135
I think you put it best Iggo. None of us know what we would do in a panic. I would sure hope southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #142
We might not know what somebody else would do, but we know what this guy did. LisaL Jul 2012 #145
Yes your right. So what does that do? What is going to change for him? He already feels terrible southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #193
That woman isn't married to him yet. LisaL Jul 2012 #200
No discuss all you want. I don't care. All am saying it isn't going to change what happened. southernyankeebelle Jul 2012 #204
Ya know what is REALLY disgusting? 99Forever Jul 2012 #146
Well, yes, until one is in danger, one is not going to find if he or she has courage or not. LisaL Jul 2012 #147
Precisely. 99Forever Jul 2012 #150
yes, fight or flight is the most basic of human responses but Carolina Jul 2012 #152
Were you there? 99Forever Jul 2012 #164
His was holding his infant. He put the infant down and escaped. LisaL Jul 2012 #171
I expect people to... 99Forever Jul 2012 #185
Did ANYONE else at the theatere throw down their babies to be trompled on, and run for the hills? Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #192
Another... 99Forever Jul 2012 #199
no, but I have had a baby and Carolina Jul 2012 #224
Says it all: 99Forever Jul 2012 #226
Cowardice: Failing to have courage in a dangerous situation. If a lot of people acted that way... Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #183
You say... 99Forever Jul 2012 #188
+100,000. I'd hope that I don't panic when shit happens. Zalatix Jul 2012 #222
They are trying to convince themselves this would never happen to them treestar Jul 2012 #218
Well, if we are going with psychoanalysis. And what would be reasons for defending the guy? LisaL Jul 2012 #229
A realization that humans are flawed treestar Jul 2012 #236
In my view, "the most heroic" thing would be go wrestle the gunman, or start saving strangers. LisaL Jul 2012 #240
You're moving a goal post treestar Jul 2012 #244
It's called panic - and it's probably driven by Adrenalin. hedgehog Jul 2012 #155
hmmm arely staircase Jul 2012 #156
um. two kids under 5 yo in a theatre after midnight? or did we already have that flame-fest? KG Jul 2012 #163
Sounds like both parents make poor decisions. eilen Jul 2012 #166
or get a baby-sitter if they really wanted to see the movie now. spooky3 Jul 2012 #169
The mother did manage to save both her kids, while getting wounded. LisaL Jul 2012 #178
Their mother appears to be quite brave. She didn't run out of the theater without her children. LisaL Jul 2012 #179
that was exactly my question. spooky3 Jul 2012 #168
yeah, one cable news has so many comments about the approprietness of two babies Liberal_in_LA Jul 2012 #231
Brave Sir Robin... EX500rider Jul 2012 #170
" felt remorse and a bit of self-loathing " leave him alone. is my answer. i am sorry we have the seabeyond Jul 2012 #174
Again, if someone wants to be left alone, it's not a good idea to go on TV and give interviews. LisaL Jul 2012 #181
i dont feel the need.... to beat him up. i have never been much into the bullying seabeyond Jul 2012 #184
To call out something for what it is, is not bullying. Bullying is picking on an innocent victim... Honeycombe8 Jul 2012 #189
If you go on TV and give interviews, you should expect that people will discuss it. LisaL Jul 2012 #191
This is an opportunity for everyone who HASN'T been in that situation to feel self-righteous. Zalatix Jul 2012 #241
personally, i find it disgusting and endemic of who we have become seabeyond Jul 2012 #245
At least he turned back tawadi Jul 2012 #175
He drove away and she had to call him before he turned back. LisaL Jul 2012 #176
Won't judge nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #194
+1 (nt) NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #238
So, in who's interest is it to take a victim... 99Forever Jul 2012 #205
the Guy is a MEdia Whore which is the problem , and the fake crying all the time JI7 Jul 2012 #209
Yeah right. 99Forever Jul 2012 #219
Sorry but this dude is a total punk. MrSlayer Jul 2012 #208
I hope that his fiancee is now his former fiancee. Beacool Jul 2012 #211
He actually proposed to her after the shooting. And she accepted. LisaL Jul 2012 #214
Wow tawadi Jul 2012 #215
Then she's a fool. Beacool Jul 2012 #216
. boston bean Jul 2012 #212
I know how I'd likely react nadinbrzezinski Jul 2012 #220
I understand. Beacool Jul 2012 #225
I dub him 'Sir Robin' Cherchez la Femme Jul 2012 #239
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