For all the idiots here cutting this guy some slack, I give you the wisdom of Chris Rock (Reply #104)

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104. For all the idiots here cutting this guy some slack, I give you the wisdom of Chris Rock

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Man left (wounded) fiance & kids at Aurora theater and drove away. Web is beating him up. [View all]	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	OP
That article doesn't even mention a young guy who was wounded trying to help this woman	LisaL	Jul 2012	#1
yeah, but other articles do.	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	#3
link to the story of the kid who saved this family	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	#9
Not judging him, since everyone has a different reaction in the face of danger	Cooley Hurd	Jul 2012	#2
I've heard it's situations like this when you find out what you're made of. He was a coward.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#120
Yes, and you're SUCH a peach.	Occulus	Jul 2012	#129
Read the definition of "coward." A little education goes a long way.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#132
He was in a blind panic. Could you relate an instance when you were in a similar situation?	TalkingDog	Jul 2012	#165
I agree with you, Talking Dog.	kurtzapril4	Jul 2012	#182
+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - Well put and definitely	coalition_unwilling	Jul 2012	#242
You know, I wish you are NEVER in any kind of danger	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2012	#195
I was with this guy up until the point he put his infant down and ran out of the theater.	Drunken Irishman	Jul 2012	#4
Actually, I think he threw the baby aside...from what I heard.	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	#5
Yikes...I understand panic, but yikes.	Drunken Irishman	Jul 2012	#8
Actually the worst part of this story is that he proposed to her	malaise	Jul 2012	#78
That says a lot about the dynamics	marlakay	Jul 2012	#123
Pathetic.	Codeine	Jul 2012	#6
Apparently, he wasn't a "wuss."	Fawke Em	Jul 2012	#69
I stand corrected.	Codeine	Jul 2012	#71
part pussy part wimp	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#186
"Wimp" is "imp" with the "woo."	Fawke Em	Jul 2012	#217
In the face of this kind of male cowardice,	whathehell	Jul 2012	#227
then limp dick it is nt	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#228
Fear is powerful. No one can predict "what they would do"	Arctic Dave	Jul 2012	#7
wise words, dave	elehhhhna	Jul 2012	#43
No one can predict whether or not they would prove to be a coward.	Marr	Jul 2012	#96
If that makes you feel better, so be it.	Arctic Dave	Jul 2012	#98
The man is a scumbag to the nth degree...	Missycim	Jul 2012	#243
He panicked.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#10
He drove off. Apparently, she had to call him on the phone before he returned.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#12
the problem is his driving away and how he came back only when she called him to	JI7	Jul 2012	#19
he left his babies to die! sorry, he gets no slack from me. his fiance should dump him.	ellenfl	Jul 2012	#49
Im sure shes giving him the treatment.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#53
sorry, i have to disagree. they're HIS KIDS. this says so much about his character . . .	ellenfl	Jul 2012	#55
The way I read this only the infant was his	left is right	Jul 2012	#110
Since he was holding his infant, if he just run from the theater with the infant,	LisaL	Jul 2012	#133
this is what got me	magical thyme	Jul 2012	#196
Cowardice is not the norm...	Mike_Valentine	Jul 2012	#62
In his case the flight instinct was stronger.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#80
I don't think military career would be a good fit for this guy.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#93
Definately not. Nt	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#95
I'm thinking Neocon national security adviser to Mitt might work for him.	CanonRay	Jul 2012	#139
I'm thinking GOP chickenhawk.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#158
I agree...	Mike_Valentine	Jul 2012	#113
Yes, perhaps norm was a poor choice of word.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#157
you raise	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#159
Yes, its a natural instinct for mothers.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#160
but the driving force	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#162
I think even the worst of parents would	fried eggs	Jul 2012	#74
Easy to say when you're not in that position.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#77
I don't think anyone here suggested that he should be somehow punished.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#92
Well, the OP said he was getting a beating on the web,	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#97
He found out just who he is at his core. He found out that he is a coward.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#121
My own feelings echo yours.	dixiegrrrrl	Jul 2012	#161
Yeah, and I'm sure his child, when old enough	Le Taz Hot	Jul 2012	#99
Did you read 1984?	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#106
Video clip of dude running away	alcibiades_mystery	Jul 2012	#11
Yeah, it was a Costanza thing to do...BUT, not all of us rise to the occasion	TwilightGardener	Jul 2012	#18
there was this same video on youtube with subject "jamie rohrs" exclusive footage	JI7	Jul 2012	#20
That's hilarious.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#21
not sure what I would do under the circumstances	Whisp	Jul 2012	#13
I'M think it should read ex-fiance.	sarcasmo	Jul 2012	#14
he asked her to marry him after all of this happened at the hospital	JI7	Jul 2012	#23
That much stress and fear, it's easy to do stupid shit	REP	Jul 2012	#15
Yeah...I was once so preoccupied that I pulled into a supermarket parking lot	TwilightGardener	Jul 2012	#22
It's kind of terrifying to realize what you've done, too (at least for me it is)	REP	Jul 2012	#40
HE LEFT HIS KIDS! eom	ellenfl	Jul 2012	#50
But he put his baby down and left him. How could anyone do that "stupid shit"?	pnwmom	Jul 2012	#116
And it's his son.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#138
I hope neither one of us are in that sort of situation to find out first-hand exactly what we'd do	REP	Jul 2012	#223
the GUy is a Loser, not because he ran out but because he even drove away	JI7	Jul 2012	#16
It's interesting	Dash87	Jul 2012	#148
Says a lot about human nature, that.	redqueen	Jul 2012	#230
None of us knows how we, personally, would react...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#17
it's not him leaving the danger zone, but him driving home and how she had to call him	JI7	Jul 2012	#25
Yes it was not a shining moment...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#86
He could have been in shock. n/t	kurtzapril4	Jul 2012	#190
Yes, that's very possible...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#213
Once he was out cops were there	marlakay	Jul 2012	#137
The worst part, IMHO, was putting his baby boy on the floor and abandoning him	pnwmom	Jul 2012	#172
Since he is the one who gave interviews and told this story, why exactly should he be left alone?	LisaL	Jul 2012	#26
True, he's out there giving interviews...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#85
It's his KID	laundry_queen	Jul 2012	#30
Yes it's his kid...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#84
I really don't think that prtecting one's child is atypical.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#237
Yeah, well if I reacted the way he did	NYC Liberal	Jul 2012	#101
He seemed surprisingly unconcerned about it...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#141
He wouldn't have had to be heroic to keep holding the baby he was holding	pnwmom	Jul 2012	#117
Yes, that is very true...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#140
Yes, it was a gut reaction. His survival instincts kicked in. Now he knows: he's a coward at hiscore	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#124
Again, I am not saying he did not act in a cowardly fashion...	ljm2002	Jul 2012	#143
this is what happens when you have a culture of emasculation	datasuspect	Jul 2012	#233
i do - but i have situational awareness and extensive urban combat training.	datasuspect	Jul 2012	#232
is it emasculation or is it self absorption?	newspeak	Jul 2012	#234
i already conceded your point	datasuspect	Jul 2012	#235
Tempted to say something, but I also haven't been shot at before. (nt)	Posteritatis	Jul 2012	#24
Coward!!!!	Cali_Democrat	Jul 2012	#27
If its fair for me to say that some people were brave then I think I can say he was cowardly.	aikoaiko	Jul 2012	#28
We are all different	HockeyMom	Jul 2012	#31
Well we know what he did, though.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#90
Is this the guy who proposed to his fiancé after they went to the hospital?	Gin	Jul 2012	#29
yes, it's that one	JI7	Jul 2012	#33
Geez....he was crying and sobbing.....	Gin	Jul 2012	#39
yes. he ran from theater. Another guy saved his family. He returned and proposed.	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	#38
Of course he left. It's what the Republican Party taught him.	Scuba	Jul 2012	#32
Well, looks like that relationship is finished. nt	valerief	Jul 2012	#34
Last I hears she plans to marry him, since she accepted his proposal.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#36
no. They are now engaged.	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	#37
Two reactions: I have pity for him personally, but I like the public condemnation...	reformist2	Jul 2012	#35
There was plenty of pressure in days past in one's own community. We don't need THIS.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#56
You can pick a pResident,	klook	Jul 2012	#65
Great point...	Mike_Valentine	Jul 2012	#114
Absurd. There are no "cowards" in a firefight.	Robb	Jul 2012	#41
Is running away while leaving an infant behind normal?	LisaL	Jul 2012	#42
Depends on how romantic your view on humanity is.	Robb	Jul 2012	#45
I think she is not getting more praise because people expect that a parent will try to save	LisaL	Jul 2012	#46
People do expect that, I agree.	Robb	Jul 2012	#47
As a guy with attention deficit	caseymoz	Jul 2012	#83
A coward puts his baby on the floor to die so he can save himself.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#125
Would you like us all to say what we think of YOU now?	Occulus	Jul 2012	#131
Coward: a person who lacks courage in facing danger, difficulty, opposition, pain, etc.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#134
Coward is not a presentation of facts.	caseymoz	Jul 2012	#180
I understand that no one really knows exactly what they'd do...	liberalmuse	Jul 2012	#44
i thought him not mentioning the guy who did help save his girlfriend and kids	JI7	Jul 2012	#48
When I lived in Hollywood in the late '70's	kurtzapril4	Jul 2012	#197
When I was a kid, my mom left us swimming with a shark.	Bonobo	Jul 2012	#51
Let's talk about the Internets-that-never-forget, can we?	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#54
If you want to keep your mistakes private, it might help if you don't give interviews describing	LisaL	Jul 2012	#58
I believe he was caught on video.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#60
What video?	LisaL	Jul 2012	#66
I am 100% sure that I would not leave my kids in an ocean if a shark was spotted.	Bonobo	Jul 2012	#64
The fact that other people might have reacted the same way doesn't make it NOT cowardly.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#187
I can't judge him.	Ilsa	Jul 2012	#52
There is only ONE villain in this story (and it's not this guy)	Tom Ripley	Jul 2012	#57
Obviously he was in shock	Generic Brad	Jul 2012	#59
Not going to judge him, not until I am in his shoes. People are wired differently.	sabrina 1	Jul 2012	#61
When I've been in this guy's shoes, I will feel qualified to judge him	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#63
And sometimes, a person whose arm is blown off will pick it up and attempt to stick it back on.	Poll_Blind	Jul 2012	#67
I didn't realize DU had so many heroes... n/t	cherokeeprogressive	Jul 2012	#68
I'm conflicted over whether this guy deserves the scorn he's getting.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#102
Or so many "perfect" parents.	kentauros	Jul 2012	#105
Nobody knows how they'll react to when the shit hits the fan till it actually does.	Kaleva	Jul 2012	#70
But this guy now does!	LisaL	Jul 2012	#72
Society expects the man to sacrifice himself in order to defend others.	Kaleva	Jul 2012	#79
Three men reportedly did just that during the massacre.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#82
Society expects Parents to Sacrifice for children, he threw his baby aside	JI7	Jul 2012	#94
Yup, everyone's quick to judge.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#103
Again, if you don't want your issues to be aired in front of the world, don't go on TV	LisaL	Jul 2012	#136
You seem to be really adamant about this.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#198
When somebody tries to make it personal, I assume it's because they can't argue any other way.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#202
It looks like you're the one making it personal.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#210
Yep. Easy to be heroic sitting behind a keyboard.	HooptieWagon	Jul 2012	#81
That guy deserves the Congressional Medal of Dishonor (nt)	Nye Bevan	Jul 2012	#73
What a cowardly thing to do.	Alduin	Jul 2012	#75
Count down to "former" fiancee... 5,4,3,2,1	jaysunb	Jul 2012	#76
Leave your kid? Yeah former if she has any sense.	lonestarnot	Jul 2012	#87
Well flight or fight def kicked in for him.. I can't judge	nadine_mn	Jul 2012	#88
More powerful in some than others.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#89
FYI--I found a post on HuffPo about a fundraising site for the young hero:	tblue37	Jul 2012	#91
Who is he? George Costanza?	Initech	Jul 2012	#100
For all the idiots here cutting this guy some slack, I give you the wisdom of Chris Rock	NickB79	Jul 2012	#104
Um, yeah, I love Chris Rock too	Downtown Hound	Jul 2012	#107
"I take care of my kids. You're supposed to, ya dumb motherfucker!"	NickB79	Jul 2012	#108
Is it really necessary to call people names? n/t	kurtzapril4	Jul 2012	#201
Calling DUers who disagree with you 'idiots'? That's against DU rules.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#221
I hold no judgement of him. I cannot imagine what it must have been like in that theater.	FedUpWithIt All	Jul 2012	#109
he panicked.	barbtries	Jul 2012	#111
That is the definition of cowardice.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#126
i never said it was okay.	barbtries	Jul 2012	#167
I haven't seen anyone suggesting he should be brought up on any charges.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#177
I have no idea what I would do under these circumstances,	Are_grits_groceries	Jul 2012	#112
That YOU may have done the same thing doesn't make it not cowardly.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#127
I may or may not have done the same thing.	Are_grits_groceries	Jul 2012	#153
I don't know why you need your own definition. Just read the one in the dictionary.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#173
Until bullets are flying,no one knows how they will act.	Swede	Jul 2012	#115
Some behave cowardly.	alphafemale	Jul 2012	#118
True. Some seem to think that if they had done the same thing, that makes it not cowardly.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#128
It is what coward means. Dropping a baby to save your own hide is disgusting.	alphafemale	Jul 2012	#144
wow...the sheer number of people on this thread giving this guy a pass	ProdigalJunkMail	Jul 2012	#119
I thought the same thing. People think that if they had done that, that would make it okay.	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#130
Who said it was okay? Who said leaving a baby in a crowded theatre full of gunfire was OKAY?	TalkingDog	Jul 2012	#206
It goes w/o saying he was in panic mode, just like everyone else. That's another way of trying	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#207
I agree.	Alduin	Jul 2012	#149
Thank you! I totally agree!!	Carolina	Jul 2012	#151
Kids that age at that movie at that time?	FreeJoe	Jul 2012	#122
thunk	alphafemale	Jul 2012	#154
NO	Sherman A1	Jul 2012	#203
Panic is a motherfucker.	Iggo	Jul 2012	#135
I think you put it best Iggo. None of us know what we would do in a panic. I would sure hope	southernyankeebelle	Jul 2012	#142
We might not know what somebody else would do, but we know what this guy did.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#145
Yes your right. So what does that do? What is going to change for him? He already feels terrible	southernyankeebelle	Jul 2012	#193
That woman isn't married to him yet.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#200
No discuss all you want. I don't care. All am saying it isn't going to change what happened.	southernyankeebelle	Jul 2012	#204
Ya know what is REALLY disgusting?	99Forever	Jul 2012	#146
Well, yes, until one is in danger, one is not going to find if he or she has courage or not.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#147
Precisely.	99Forever	Jul 2012	#150
yes, fight or flight is the most basic of human responses but	Carolina	Jul 2012	#152
Were you there?	99Forever	Jul 2012	#164
His was holding his infant. He put the infant down and escaped.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#171
I expect people to...	99Forever	Jul 2012	#185
Did ANYONE else at the theatere throw down their babies to be trompled on, and run for the hills?	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#192
Another...	99Forever	Jul 2012	#199
no, but I have had a baby and	Carolina	Jul 2012	#224
Says it all:	99Forever	Jul 2012	#226
Cowardice: Failing to have courage in a dangerous situation. If a lot of people acted that way...	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#183
You say...	99Forever	Jul 2012	#188
+100,000. I'd hope that I don't panic when shit happens.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#222
They are trying to convince themselves this would never happen to them	treestar	Jul 2012	#218
Well, if we are going with psychoanalysis. And what would be reasons for defending the guy?	LisaL	Jul 2012	#229
A realization that humans are flawed	treestar	Jul 2012	#236
In my view, "the most heroic" thing would be go wrestle the gunman, or start saving strangers.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#240
You're moving a goal post	treestar	Jul 2012	#244
It's called panic - and it's probably driven by Adrenalin.	hedgehog	Jul 2012	#155
hmmm	arely staircase	Jul 2012	#156
um. two kids under 5 yo in a theatre after midnight? or did we already have that flame-fest?	KG	Jul 2012	#163
Sounds like both parents make poor decisions.	eilen	Jul 2012	#166
or get a baby-sitter if they really wanted to see the movie now.	spooky3	Jul 2012	#169
The mother did manage to save both her kids, while getting wounded.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#178
Their mother appears to be quite brave. She didn't run out of the theater without her children.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#179
that was exactly my question.	spooky3	Jul 2012	#168
yeah, one cable news has so many comments about the approprietness of two babies	Liberal_in_LA	Jul 2012	#231
Brave Sir Robin...	EX500rider	Jul 2012	#170
" felt remorse and a bit of self-loathing " leave him alone. is my answer. i am sorry we have the	seabeyond	Jul 2012	#174
Again, if someone wants to be left alone, it's not a good idea to go on TV and give interviews.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#181
i dont feel the need.... to beat him up. i have never been much into the bullying	seabeyond	Jul 2012	#184
To call out something for what it is, is not bullying. Bullying is picking on an innocent victim...	Honeycombe8	Jul 2012	#189
If you go on TV and give interviews, you should expect that people will discuss it.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#191
This is an opportunity for everyone who HASN'T been in that situation to feel self-righteous.	Zalatix	Jul 2012	#241
personally, i find it disgusting and endemic of who we have become	seabeyond	Jul 2012	#245
At least he turned back	tawadi	Jul 2012	#175
He drove away and she had to call him before he turned back.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#176
Won't judge	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2012	#194
+1 (nt)	NYC_SKP	Jul 2012	#238
So, in who's interest is it to take a victim...	99Forever	Jul 2012	#205
the Guy is a MEdia Whore which is the problem , and the fake crying all the time	JI7	Jul 2012	#209
Yeah right.	99Forever	Jul 2012	#219
Sorry but this dude is a total punk.	MrSlayer	Jul 2012	#208
I hope that his fiancee is now his former fiancee.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#211
He actually proposed to her after the shooting. And she accepted.	LisaL	Jul 2012	#214
Wow	tawadi	Jul 2012	#215
Then she's a fool.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#216
.	boston bean	Jul 2012	#212
I know how I'd likely react	nadinbrzezinski	Jul 2012	#220
I understand.	Beacool	Jul 2012	#225
I dub him 'Sir Robin'	Cherchez la Femme	Jul 2012	#239

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