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In reply to the discussion: California Democrats, stop being stupid [View all]JCanete
(5,272 posts)216. Just a second note because I don't want to gloss over it. I'm totally willing to accept that
Sanders isn't the greatest, most meticulous and wonkish writer of legislation. That criticism though, is invalid to me. That is democrats focusing on the wrong thing. You want to impress me with wonkishness, tear down Sander's medicare for all plan and promote a better medicare for all plan that doesn't have whatever holes existed in his plan. There is no fucking way that our nation cannot afford this. There is no fucking way that our nation wouldn't be better off with this. Cutting into these bills and proposals and then hoping they bleed out on the operating table, only to be dug up every time we need a reminder of why not to try in the future, is not at all in favor of progress.
CAN BE DONE. That's the reality we should be operating from, because its the actual reality. Political reality is shaped in the course of a campaign. Today's line of possibility should never ever be where we draw what is politically possible. Working within Actual feasibility? Dealing with real facts and real figures? Totally! I agree with you. Bring the numbers. Be responsible. Do it right. Involve the best minds and present the most complete vision. But you can't tell me that there are mechanical limitations that prevent these big ideas from being implemented. You can't tell me that we can't afford it.. You can't tell me that we couldn't implement an appropriate tax on those with so much that could pay for this and make America so much greater for all Americans. I mean, if you'd like to try, feel free, but I've never heard an argument that doesn't ultimately fall back on what will be allowed to happen, rather than what is functional. and what will be allowed to happen is in nobody's hands but our own.
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And people on DU are attacking her, sideways sometimes but attacking her.
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#251
+1000 / Attacking Democrats & The Democratic Party never helps enact a liberal/progressive agenda.
TheSmarterDog
Feb 2018
#4
But this is the Democratic Parrty istself accused of attacking the Democratic Parrty
Tom Rinaldo
Feb 2018
#13
Feinstein doesn't really represent the thinking of many if not most Californians.
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#57
Well maybe the Republican Senator they help elect with this stupidity will suit them better. I am
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#66
I hope not...if Feinstein loses the primary and this guy is compromised somehow, we could
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#141
No and I am not suggesting he is compromised...only that the GOP are very good at finding shit
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#157
You got that right. And you can bet every dollar you have that millions are going to be dumped
C Moon
Feb 2018
#217
The Russians want Feinstein out because she is effective on the Judiciary Committee
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#236
Feinstein has years of experience and is the minority leader of the judiciary...De Leon couldn't
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#158
You mran they actually participated in the process. And they were all male you say?
Tom Rinaldo
Feb 2018
#235
If it continues after the primary, and allows a Republican to win, it is.
TheSmarterDog
Feb 2018
#126
But many were, and still do. And it was a seed that Sanders helped plant.
TheSmarterDog
Feb 2018
#130
OK...so various individuals with various motives refused to support her, some worked against her.
Ken Burch
Feb 2018
#136
Calexit was never taken seriously, and now a Repug wants to split the coast from the rest
padfun
Feb 2018
#18
It could be a GOP and the lightweight...Dem...De Leon but he is massively behind and will lose.
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#71
A new face is open to being attacked and could lose...this is not the year for it.
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#80
That is not the point...she is senior and has clout on the Judiiciary committee...she is the
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#147
We don't have the Senate, the House, the courts or the presidency...it will be sometime before it is
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#145
and we never will if we follow your idea of it is always a bad idea to stand up.
Egnever
Feb 2018
#146
The way to a majority is the big tent...with candidates selected based on their states...a mixture
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#155
The same could be said for party loyalty purity. Voters look elsewhere when their issues aren't
KPN
Feb 2018
#90
This year for sure...what is the point of electing a useless junion senator when
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#74
It is not defeatism...far from it...we have been taking Trump on Feinstien has helped
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#143
the only reason she is standing up at all is because she is under threat of a primary
Egnever
Feb 2018
#160
I like Feinstein but its time to make way for a new generation. And We need term limits
Pepsidog
Feb 2018
#19
Feinstein is not going to win the Democratic primary because there is no Democratic primary.
former9thward
Feb 2018
#20
There IS no Democratic primary. As a Californian Democrat Ill vote against Feinstein.
David__77
Feb 2018
#23
It was a cosmetic vote. In real life (outside the convention) she's way ahead of De Leon....
George II
Feb 2018
#27
No. It is intended to replace an aging candidate and to make sure no Republican
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#54
People need to connect the dots. I would do it here in an elaborate fashion
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#88
So "progressive California" should not get to chose a more progressive representation because...
Egnever
Feb 2018
#113
THis is what I predicted, too bad I cant FREELY talk about it, maybe some would learn
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#39
In California, with the exception of a few districts, elections are one Democrat
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#121
One things Dems excel at is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. nt
Binkie The Clown
Feb 2018
#41
Yep, and some would have thought there would never be horseless carriage......
nolabels
Feb 2018
#167
Feinstein is a powerful person in our Senate, a new Senator will have no power.
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#51
The election system in our state is different from the systems in other states.
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#46
Feinstein is too conservative for California, but her opponent and she will probably
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#58
She has been elected for years...De Leon shouldn't have run...and I will remember him if he ever
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#76
I an worried that he could end up on the ballot with the GOP...incumbents have an advantage.
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#79
You are concerned with your version of democracy...the purification process and the primary with
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#154
you are making up a scenario where competition for the democratic frontrunner is bad for us. AND
JCanete
Feb 2018
#168
promises are unrealistic when they are presented by the democratic party as middling measures.
JCanete
Feb 2018
#196
political reality is shaped. It is created. Fuck. Ask trump. The difference is that Trumps reality
JCanete
Feb 2018
#200
Yes. I hate this question because, frankly, it is dumb and deflecting of whether or not it should be
JCanete
Feb 2018
#207
That isn't it at all. Its to tell democrats "Fucking fight for this already and we will
JCanete
Feb 2018
#213
wait...please do discuss Sanders treatment of HIllary's universal health care. What are you talking
JCanete
Feb 2018
#242
I didn't do that, and I agree that that is a direction I don't want to take this conversation.
JCanete
Feb 2018
#249
Just a second note because I don't want to gloss over it. I'm totally willing to accept that
JCanete
Feb 2018
#216
We used to have free or nearly free college tuition, and I am a strong supporter
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#98
Yes. The stress is very great if a senator or president does a really good job.
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#134
I speak out against ageism too, but running for senator or president when your term
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#148
But I say in my humble opinion that someone running for a four- or six-year term who
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#178
I think that's a reasonable expectation. I was simply saying worst cdase, there would be one dem
JCanete
Feb 2018
#239
Feinstein is an excellent choice and failing to endorse her is shooting ourselves in the foot.
johnpowdy
Feb 2018
#102
losing her on judiciary would be a blow...I hear Russian and GOP trolls agree with you though.
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#243
Assuming Leahy and Durbin keep their other posts, wouldn't Whitehouse replace her?
FarCenter
Feb 2018
#246
No idea...but she is knowledgeable and experienced and we need her...a junior Senator for Dianne...
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#250
I hope everyone realizes that anyone who defeats her does not automatically assume the...
NurseJackie
Feb 2018
#125
I truly believe we need to move the party back leftward, where it once was, but
Dark n Stormy Knight
Feb 2018
#115
In California, due to the "top-two" primary, there won't BE a Republican on the November ballot.
Ken Burch
Feb 2018
#119
Nah. We're good. We're gonna have a primary and we're keeping this seat either way.
Nailzberg
Feb 2018
#150
Trump, the most unAmerican president this nation has ever been cursed with...
jcmaine72
Feb 2018
#170
Would she vote for impeachment? What does she think of impeachment at this stage? nt
Honeycombe8
Feb 2018
#183
I'm not sure. I haven't seen any evidence of that. Did she say that, at some point?
Honeycombe8
Feb 2018
#224
"too conservative" That is a false flag. There is very little difference on the issues between
still_one
Feb 2018
#215
I suspect Feinstein will win, but of course with the media pushing it, and the usual suspects, the
still_one
Feb 2018
#214
If u have 2 qualified candidates in a primary u don't endorse... Why is that hard for u folks?
dembotoz
Feb 2018
#218
Looks like both the SEIU and California Nurses Association supported de Leon
FarCenter
Feb 2018
#233
The last Election had 2 Democratic politicians going for Barbara Boxer's seat.
Caliman73
Feb 2018
#238