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R B Garr

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81. That is a Revolution talking point, while Vermont does

Sun Feb 25, 2018, 02:37 PM

Feb 2018

not have single payer, free tuition or $15/hr minimum wage. I’m so glad smart California voters saw through this manipulation two years ago.

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California Democrats, stop being stupid [View all] scheming daemons Feb 2018 OP

+ 100- My thoughts exactly. MBS Feb 2018 #1

ARe you from California? Do you know our system here? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #179

I have a long and deep acquaintance with California politics. MBS Feb 2018 #225

During the primary, you have two Democrats and two Republicans. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #234

I know how it works, but "deep blue state" MBS Feb 2018 #241

Let people who live in California make this decision. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #248

Are you aware the Russians are attacking Dianne Feinstein? Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #237

Exactly. n/t MBS Feb 2018 #240

And people on DU are attacking her, sideways sometimes but attacking her. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #251

I think you are right. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #253

Just saying California Repug Senator makes me NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #2

:) Won't happen. This may actually HELP Democrats. Hortensis Feb 2018 #31

The top two could help Rohrabacher win though. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2018 #38

Yup, ugh! That district's a right-wing stronghold. Hortensis Feb 2018 #63

I disagree about his right wing it is. it has changed. SleeplessinSoCal Feb 2018 #118

Oh, I hope you're right, even if the electorate Hortensis Feb 2018 #122

+1000 Pachamama Feb 2018 #3

+1000 / Attacking Democrats & The Democratic Party never helps enact a liberal/progressive agenda. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #4

But this is the Democratic Parrty istself accused of attacking the Democratic Parrty Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #13

Their kchamberlin25 Feb 2018 #17

:) Oh, don't worry about this, (horrors another candidate?!!). Hortensis Feb 2018 #47

Feinstein doesn't really represent the thinking of many if not most Californians. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #57

Well maybe the Republican Senator they help elect with this stupidity will suit them better. I am Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #66

It's not going to elect a Republican senator Ken Burch Feb 2018 #139

I hope not...if Feinstein loses the primary and this guy is compromised somehow, we could Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #141

I'm actually neutral on this particular contest. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #149

No and I am not suggesting he is compromised...only that the GOP are very good at finding shit Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #157

You got that right. And you can bet every dollar you have that millions are going to be dumped C Moon Feb 2018 #217

The Russians want Feinstein out because she is effective on the Judiciary Committee Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #236

De Leon is not very liberal. Neither is Feinstein. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #189

If you were from California, you would know that Kevin De Leon has been the Sophia4 Feb 2018 #156

Feinstein has years of experience and is the minority leader of the judiciary...De Leon couldn't Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #158

I have not made up my mind. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #162

Thank you. We have primaries for a reason -- to give voters choices. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #153

Feinstein is from Northern California. So is Kamala Harris. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #152

100% WRONG. She's not even "very conservative" Hortensis Feb 2018 #73

That is a Revolution talking point, while Vermont does R B Garr Feb 2018 #81

Do you have statistics? ehrnst Feb 2018 #185

Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #228

You mran they actually participated in the process. And they were all male you say? Tom Rinaldo Feb 2018 #235

Challenging an incumbent for renomination is not an attack on the party. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #124

If it continues after the primary, and allows a Republican to win, it is. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #126

Bernie wasn't opposing Hillary AFTER the convention. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #128

But many were, and still do. And it was a seed that Sanders helped plant. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #130

OK...so various individuals with various motives refused to support her, some worked against her. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #136

It's a waste of time to focus on placing blame. TheSmarterDog Feb 2018 #161

Welllll.....he sat on it a little while, as I recall. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #184

+1 chwaliszewski Feb 2018 #190

Thank you......what you said.....needed to be said slingsam Feb 2018 #5

Truly not picking a nit here, honest question Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #6

Her Rival is Progressive State Senate Leader Ccarmona Feb 2018 #60

She also voted for Iraq war and an amendment to ban flag burning. David__77 Feb 2018 #109

He doesn't... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #70

no. time for new blood. imo shanny Feb 2018 #7

I agree janterry Feb 2018 #127

I agree. I also wish to point out that CA has its own Russian issues. Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #8

Calexit was never taken seriously, and now a Repug wants to split the coast from the rest padfun Feb 2018 #18

My point was not viability Stinky The Clown Feb 2018 #144

Hillary won CA by 4.5 million votes BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #9

I agree. Take California out and... padfun Feb 2018 #14

"an 85-year old incumbent" left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #26

And people wonder who our rising stars are BeyondGeography Feb 2018 #33

And folks will 'alert' on you ... left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #35

She did not win the endorsement of the delegates edhopper Feb 2018 #10

Theres no Democratic primary. David__77 Feb 2018 #28

So it will be her against edhopper Feb 2018 #34

It could be, yes. David__77 Feb 2018 #45

so the vote could be split and the GOP wins...completely stupid. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #65

In November, two Democrats and no Republicans will be on the ballot. David__77 Feb 2018 #67

It could be a GOP and the lightweight...Dem...De Leon but he is massively behind and will lose. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #71

It's possible David__77 Feb 2018 #75

A new face is open to being attacked and could lose...this is not the year for it. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #80

I understand your position. David__77 Feb 2018 #101

That is not the point...she is senior and has clout on the Judiiciary committee...she is the Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #147

it's never the right time to stand up in your mind Egnever Feb 2018 #107

We don't have the Senate, the House, the courts or the presidency...it will be sometime before it is Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #145

and we never will if we follow your idea of it is always a bad idea to stand up. Egnever Feb 2018 #146

The way to a majority is the big tent...with candidates selected based on their states...a mixture Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #155

the last time we had majorities was when Obama was elected Egnever Feb 2018 #159

No edhopper Feb 2018 #69

A GOPer could beat De Leon possibly. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #72

No Republican will make it through the primary Mad_Mongol Feb 2018 #230

actually Rs are on the verge of losing shanny Feb 2018 #131

Ideological Purity is Ultra Stupidity and is a Formula for LOSING. LBM20 Feb 2018 #11

The same could be said for party loyalty purity. Voters look elsewhere when their issues aren't KPN Feb 2018 #90

So you are saying that we should always back the incumbent? padfun Feb 2018 #12

This year for sure...what is the point of electing a useless junion senator when Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #74

Your defeatism is troubling Egnever Feb 2018 #110

It is not defeatism...far from it...we have been taking Trump on Feinstien has helped Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #143

the only reason she is standing up at all is because she is under threat of a primary Egnever Feb 2018 #160

BINGO KPN Feb 2018 #93

We are California SHRED Feb 2018 #15

oh good lord Egnever Feb 2018 #16

I like Feinstein but its time to make way for a new generation. And We need term limits Pepsidog Feb 2018 #19

Feinstein is not going to win the Democratic primary because there is no Democratic primary. former9thward Feb 2018 #20

The top two go on to November, even if one gets a majority. David__77 Feb 2018 #25

Thanks for the correction. former9thward Feb 2018 #111

I totally agree! David__77 Feb 2018 #112

Did De Leon supporters really shout "Time's Up" at DiFi? mcar Feb 2018 #21

No need to be concerned with our open primaries denbot Feb 2018 #22

There IS no Democratic primary. As a Californian Democrat Ill vote against Feinstein. David__77 Feb 2018 #23

this will only happen if Feinstein pulls a Lieberman & runs as an independent yurbud Feb 2018 #24

It was a cosmetic vote. In real life (outside the convention) she's way ahead of De Leon.... George II Feb 2018 #27

Orchestrated to destroy the party. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #29

No. It is intended to replace an aging candidate and to make sure no Republican Sophia4 Feb 2018 #54

That is not what this is about, otherwise there would R B Garr Feb 2018 #92

I think there is a large contingent Puzzledtraveller Feb 2018 #85

People need to connect the dots. I would do it here in an elaborate fashion Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #88

California is the leader of the nation. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #96

This is again just misplaced blame. Kicking California R B Garr Feb 2018 #108

So "progressive California" should not get to chose a more progressive representation because... Egnever Feb 2018 #113

Dems in California will be ok Iliyah Feb 2018 #30

More ignoramus purity BS!! Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #32

Please learn about the California election system. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #52

The Russian bots are doing their job Dopers_Greed Feb 2018 #36

THIS Auggie Feb 2018 #53

+1! KPN Feb 2018 #91

This is a vote of Democratic party officials -- not the general public karynnj Feb 2018 #100

Senate Dems were influenced by Russian bots during the Franken thing Dopers_Greed Feb 2018 #195

Truth is... She's too old outinleftfield2 Feb 2018 #37

Its about power haydukelives Feb 2018 #61

It seems that power is addicting. Scruffy1 Feb 2018 #220

THis is what I predicted, too bad I cant FREELY talk about it, maybe some would learn Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #39

But do you know the California election rules? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #49

That post was about talking down the party. R B Garr Feb 2018 #89

In California, with the exception of a few districts, elections are one Democrat Sophia4 Feb 2018 #121

More hypocrisy about hysteria? Hysteria being your word. R B Garr Feb 2018 #135

I know as well and you are correct. Don't say a word leftofcool Feb 2018 #223

This post clearly doesn't understand the CA primary system. TeamPooka Feb 2018 #40

One things Dems excel at is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. nt Binkie The Clown Feb 2018 #41

Please read the California election rules. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #48

Harris won't be up until 2022 Retrograde Feb 2018 #129

Yep, and some would have thought there would never be horseless carriage...... nolabels Feb 2018 #167

Guess who has been busy tearing Harris down. The JPR R B Garr Feb 2018 #194

Feinstein is a powerful person in our Senate, a new Senator will have no power. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #51

There are other senators who can fill in missingm Feb 2018 #62

These apparently dim CA Dems... BobTheSubgenius Feb 2018 #42

The election system in our state is different from the systems in other states. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #46

As others have noted, the system is different in California. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #43

I wonder if Vermont politicians will also be attacked and harassed. R B Garr Feb 2018 #44

The Democratic party needs to trend younger. demmiblue Feb 2018 #50

Hummmm . . . peggysue2 Feb 2018 #55

Generals and Admirals are often retired in the middle of wars FarCenter Feb 2018 #83

No, changed circumstances just means a hypocritical political R B Garr Feb 2018 #97

No one is attacking "Vermont Senators" except you NT hueymahl Feb 2018 #201

Right, they are attacking California Senators instead R B Garr Feb 2018 #204

Feinstein has proven herself in this matter peggysue2 Feb 2018 #99

Excellent points. Feinstein has enough clout and seniority R B Garr Feb 2018 #114

National Democrats, stop being stupid... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #56

Feinstein is too conservative for California, but her opponent and she will probably Sophia4 Feb 2018 #58

She has been elected for years...De Leon shouldn't have run...and I will remember him if he ever Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #76

That is a different story edhopper Feb 2018 #77

I an worried that he could end up on the ballot with the GOP...incumbents have an advantage. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #79

True edhopper Feb 2018 #82

always the drumbeat to never ever ever challenge the incumbent. Sounds like JCanete Feb 2018 #87

You are concerned with your version of democracy...the purification process and the primary with Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #154

you are making up a scenario where competition for the democratic frontrunner is bad for us. AND JCanete Feb 2018 #168

Then incumbents should reciprocate and start demanding R B Garr Feb 2018 #191

promises are unrealistic when they are presented by the democratic party as middling measures. JCanete Feb 2018 #196

Some things are just political cycles like complacency. R B Garr Feb 2018 #199

political reality is shaped. It is created. Fuck. Ask trump. The difference is that Trumps reality JCanete Feb 2018 #200

Then why hasnt this been done in Vermont. R B Garr Feb 2018 #205

Yes. I hate this question because, frankly, it is dumb and deflecting of whether or not it should be JCanete Feb 2018 #207

Actually what is tragic is trashing Democrats over pointing R B Garr Feb 2018 #209

That isn't it at all. Its to tell democrats "Fucking fight for this already and we will JCanete Feb 2018 #213

Sorry, but this is just more demagoguery piled higher R B Garr Feb 2018 #229

wait...please do discuss Sanders treatment of HIllary's universal health care. What are you talking JCanete Feb 2018 #242

If all this is true, that still doesn't explain why Vermont doesn't have R B Garr Feb 2018 #247

I didn't do that, and I agree that that is a direction I don't want to take this conversation. JCanete Feb 2018 #249

Just a second note because I don't want to gloss over it. I'm totally willing to accept that JCanete Feb 2018 #216

Most Californians are too smart to fall for this manipulation. R B Garr Feb 2018 #94

We used to have free or nearly free college tuition, and I am a strong supporter Sophia4 Feb 2018 #98

If it is so easy as you say, then the Revolution R B Garr Feb 2018 #104

It is time for Feinstein to leave the Senate. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #117

More hypocrisy? By these authoritarian standards, R B Garr Feb 2018 #133

Yes. The stress is very great if a senator or president does a really good job. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #134

Then I am sure you will be pushing for the very liberal R B Garr Feb 2018 #137

My view is general. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #140

This is very tortured logic, since President is the R B Garr Feb 2018 #142

I speak out against ageism too, but running for senator or president when your term Sophia4 Feb 2018 #148

Such obvious double standards. Unless we are actively R B Garr Feb 2018 #164

But I say in my humble opinion that someone running for a four- or six-year term who Sophia4 Feb 2018 #178

If certain someones are exempt from this arbitrary R B Garr Feb 2018 #181

There is effectively zero Republican candidates running. herding cats Feb 2018 #59

As a supporter of Bernie during the primary elmac Feb 2018 #64

Yet their tactics are belittling and other aggressive tactics, R B Garr Feb 2018 #86

Shame hueymahl Feb 2018 #202

Exactly. Stop attacking Democrats. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #206

EXACTLY THIS!!! LovingA2andMI Feb 2018 #103

That is not how it works potone Feb 2018 #68

We can't even primary incumbents now? Ace Rothstein Feb 2018 #78

Right? Egnever Feb 2018 #116

Excuse me, did you say "is becoming"? Jim Lane Feb 2018 #252

As has been pointed out here, your concern doesn't even reflect the way JCanete Feb 2018 #84

You seem confused... Mad_Mongol Feb 2018 #231

I think that's a reasonable expectation. I was simply saying worst cdase, there would be one dem JCanete Feb 2018 #239

It's an OPEN primary -- and the top two are in the general election karynnj Feb 2018 #95

Feinstein is an excellent choice and failing to endorse her is shooting ourselves in the foot. johnpowdy Feb 2018 #102

I disagree. Feinstein should be voted out. David__77 Feb 2018 #106

losing her on judiciary would be a blow...I hear Russian and GOP trolls agree with you though. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #243

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Feb 2018 #245

Assuming Leahy and Durbin keep their other posts, wouldn't Whitehouse replace her? FarCenter Feb 2018 #246

No idea...but she is knowledgeable and experienced and we need her...a junior Senator for Dianne... Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #250

A Democrat will win this Senate seat, so I fail to see the problem. Tatiana Feb 2018 #105

I hope everyone realizes that anyone who defeats her does not automatically assume the... NurseJackie Feb 2018 #125

Thank you. peggysue2 Feb 2018 #138

Exactly, thank you NJ. The irony of the Vermont style R B Garr Feb 2018 #192

So there's nobody else among Democratic KPN Feb 2018 #198

I truly believe we need to move the party back leftward, where it once was, but Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2018 #115

Do you really think California is going to vote in a republican? Egnever Feb 2018 #120

Lol, no. Dark n Stormy Knight Feb 2018 #123

In California, due to the "top-two" primary, there won't BE a Republican on the November ballot. Ken Burch Feb 2018 #119

I like Feinstein but calm down RandySF Feb 2018 #132

Nah. We're good. We're gonna have a primary and we're keeping this seat either way. Nailzberg Feb 2018 #150

The rest of our nation should be so "stupid". jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #151

In RW states, the California primary Progressive dog Feb 2018 #165

We can't win in those racist hate pockets anyway. jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #166

I strongly disagree, Progressive dog Feb 2018 #169

Trump, the most unAmerican president this nation has ever been cursed with... jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #170

That is sick nt Progressive dog Feb 2018 #172

No, that is the truth. n/t jcmaine72 Feb 2018 #173

You obviously have never visited any place rural Progressive dog Feb 2018 #180

This is why we lose 2left4u Feb 2018 #188

"Always look backward." moondust Feb 2018 #163

Agreed Gothmog Feb 2018 #171

Nope. Good for them. N/T alarimer Feb 2018 #174

We will likely get to choose between two Democrats. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #175

im donating to her now... samnsara Feb 2018 #176

Shooting ourselves in the foot? pecosbob Feb 2018 #177

Any OTHER way to lead this this than 'stop being stupid?' elleng Feb 2018 #182

Would she vote for impeachment? What does she think of impeachment at this stage? nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #183

Yes. Of course she would vote for impeachment. underthematrix Feb 2018 #203

I'm not sure. I haven't seen any evidence of that. Did she say that, at some point? Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #224

I'm a Californian and I agree. iluvtennis Feb 2018 #186

We need new blood in our party hueymahl Feb 2018 #187

K&R and Jesus H. Christ! bunt homer Feb 2018 #193

She may be one of the oldest Senators, Mr.Bill Feb 2018 #197

Learn what youre talking about. TDale313 Feb 2018 #208

i disagree. garybeck Feb 2018 #210

Well, I guess you wanted to get people's attention by calling us Upthevibe Feb 2018 #211

i agree with you and disagree with the OP. n/t garybeck Feb 2018 #212

"too conservative" That is a false flag. There is very little difference on the issues between still_one Feb 2018 #215

I suspect Feinstein will win, but of course with the media pushing it, and the usual suspects, the still_one Feb 2018 #214

If u have 2 qualified candidates in a primary u don't endorse... Why is that hard for u folks? dembotoz Feb 2018 #218

Will support Old Crank Feb 2018 #219

The fact that Russian Bots are going after her on twitter should be a red flag ehrnst Feb 2018 #221

California has always been ahead of the curve randr Feb 2018 #222

I don't have a problem JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #226

Agree 100% nt lillypaddle Feb 2018 #227

Mean while conservatives are changing all the rules to favor them. lancelyons Feb 2018 #232

Looks like both the SEIU and California Nurses Association supported de Leon FarCenter Feb 2018 #233

The last Election had 2 Democratic politicians going for Barbara Boxer's seat. Caliman73 Feb 2018 #238

None of the top Governor Dems in the running are getting the party endorsement ehrnst Feb 2018 #244