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TomCADem

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38. CS Monitor - US gun industry is thriving. Seven key figures.

Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:08 PM

Feb 2018

The gun industry does not need protection. They are making money hand over fist. They are hardly facing bankruptcy.

https://www.csmonitor.com/Business/2012/1217/US-gun-industry-is-thriving.-Seven-key-figures/31.8-billion

The estimated economic impact of the US firearms industry in 2012, according to data from the National Shooting Sports Foundation. That’s up from $27.8 billion in 2009, due to job creation and new sales taxes. 26,325 new gun-related jobs have been created over the past two years, according to the NSSF.

And while tracking concrete sales numbers of firearms in the United States is tricky, federal officials report that they were higher than ever in 2012. Through the end of November, the FBI recorded 16.5 million background checks for gun purchases in 2012 – the highest figure since the FBI began tracking such data in 1998. And the actual number of guns sold is likely higher, because registrants can buy multiple guns.

Two factors in recent history have had a tendency to send sales soaring. As staff writer Linda Feldmann reported in July, gun sales usually spike in the days following a mass shooting. Background checks rose 41 percent in Colorado in the aftermath of the Aurora movie theater shooting over the summer, and sales spikes followed Columbine and the 2011 rampage in Tucson, Ariz., as well.

The second factor is politics. Sales spiked in anticipation of both of President Obama’s elections, in 2008 and 2012, and stock in firearms manufacturers like Smith & Wesson soared, as buyers feared legislation that would clamp down on Second Amendment rights or restrict their ability to purchase a gun.

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It's Time to End Legal Immunity for the Gun Industry - Where Do Progressives Stand? [View all] TomCADem Feb 2018 OP

Good question that deserves discussion & answers Wwcd Feb 2018 #1

Reuters - Las Vegas shooting victims file lawsuit against bump stock makers - Cowards? TomCADem Feb 2018 #2

Bernie Sanders voted against Motownman78 Feb 2018 #3

Bernie Sanders On AR-15s: Theyre Not For Hunting. Theyre For Killing Human Beings TomCADem Feb 2018 #4

Not kidding Motownman78 Feb 2018 #6

Jesus Fucking Christ. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #8

Increase in accidental deaths follows spike in gun sales, study finds TomCADem Feb 2018 #9

Car manufacturers are only sued Motownman78 Feb 2018 #11

Then Why Change the Law? Why Do They Need Immunity? TomCADem Feb 2018 #16

The law was changed because of this problem: "assault with a deadly lawsuit" Jim Lane Feb 2018 #95

Ah no. Corgigal Feb 2018 #23

I call BS, using the new vernacular Motownman78 Feb 2018 #42

Yeah, Corgigal Feb 2018 #54

Gun manufacturers could install safety devices, limit magazine size, etc. Hoyt Feb 2018 #36

If you want it, then mandate it. Straw Man Feb 2018 #75

Tobacco companies were sued, auto for not providing safety devices, etc. Hoyt Feb 2018 #83

Do you have a source for the auto company being sued for not providing safety devices? TCJ70 Feb 2018 #84

+1, And what about that snotty nose medicine, Sudafed... R B Garr Feb 2018 #103

When is the last time a car killed 58 and injured 500? Initech Feb 2018 #71

2016. Straw Man Feb 2018 #76

That doesn't excuse what happened. Initech Feb 2018 #85

I merely answered your question. Straw Man Feb 2018 #88

If you didn't want a answer maybe you shouldn't have asked. EX500rider Feb 2018 #93

I'm just sick and tired of this damn argument every mass shooting. Initech Feb 2018 #94

Sanders voted to give gun manufacturers immunity. lapucelle Feb 2018 #14

Bernie voted FOR the PLCAA, which exempted the gun industry from civil liability laws pnwmom Feb 2018 #15

Keep fighting that primary! Iggo Feb 2018 #56

Yes. Bernie Is Clearly Saying That AR-15s Are For Killing People... TomCADem Feb 2018 #59

I dont have a problem with the PLCAA... TCJ70 Feb 2018 #5

Why shouldnt the gun industry be liable for damage done by its products, just like anybody else? TomCADem Feb 2018 #7

Do you have examples of other industries being held responsible in the way youre suggesting? TCJ70 Feb 2018 #10

Do Car Makers Enjoy A Federal Law Broadly Immunizing Them From Liability? TomCADem Feb 2018 #21

No. Youre ignoring the context of why the PLCAA came about... TCJ70 Feb 2018 #27

Yes. If I decide to take out a side walk full of people with my Nissan Rogue... phleshdef Feb 2018 #78

You are wrong. Nissan does not have such an exemption. kcr Feb 2018 #107

I'm not confusing anything. I'm talking about the real world end result. phleshdef Feb 2018 #111

Tobacco industry? Opioid manufacturers? Crunchy Frog Feb 2018 #66

Im pretty sure those lawsuits come down to those industries misleading people... TCJ70 Feb 2018 #67

Pretty sure that you're reaching, but I think we'll have to agree to disagree. Crunchy Frog Feb 2018 #68

Exactly. Sudafed is Federally monitored. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #104

So knife makers should be sued for the 1,500+ who get stabbed to death every year? EX500rider Feb 2018 #12

Do Knife Manufacturers Have a Special Federal Law Immunizing Them? TomCADem Feb 2018 #18

They aren't getting swamped with junk lawsuits in a backdoor attempt to bankrupt them like gun manuf EX500rider Feb 2018 #20

Why not? Perhaps Because They Aren't Making Defective, Dangerous Products TomCADem Feb 2018 #22

Gun makers can still be sued for defects. EX500rider Feb 2018 #24

All manufacturers and sellers should be subject to the same liability standards. pnwmom Feb 2018 #19

Gun makers can be sued for defects like every other industry. EX500rider Feb 2018 #26

I don't want them to have any protection. They are careless about what they make and the danger it Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #29

Long as it it legal to make and sell guns they aren't breaking any laws.. EX500rider Feb 2018 #31

Same was true of tobacco....They need to be responsible for the deaths they cause. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #43

Should tide be sued because people ate the pods? TCJ70 Feb 2018 #47

No. That is not where it ends...because if Tide had made their product more deadly if it was misused Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #80

Are you afraid of dying by falling? Poison? Car crash? EX500rider Feb 2018 #92

Actually, if they don't change the design? Yes, they should. kcr Feb 2018 #108

If tide made the pods extra poisonous knowing people ate them...than yes. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #109

All cigarettes are know to cause cancer.... EX500rider Feb 2018 #48

Not everyone who smokes gets cancer first of all and guns are an evil in our society...the murder Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #110

Tobacco, used as directed, causes death. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #64

And what percentage of smokers got cancer? EX500rider Feb 2018 #91

There is no way to know that but putting guns in the hands of murderous people is just plain stupid. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #112

Tobacco companies have generally NOT been held responsible for the deaths they cause. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #97

Then the snowflakes don't need special protections. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #89

Really? And how many of the 300 million+ guns is that true? EX500rider Feb 2018 #90

Then Repeal The Immunity If They Don't Need It TomCADem Feb 2018 #30

But they do need it because they were getting junk lawsuits in a attempt to bankrupt them. EX500rider Feb 2018 #33

CS Monitor - US gun industry is thriving. Seven key figures. TomCADem Feb 2018 #38

Yes, because they have protection from junk lawsuits. EX500rider Feb 2018 #40

I know why...and I disagree with the law. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #44

Maybe You Should Care About The Folks Who Died... TomCADem Feb 2018 #45

Car manufactures weren't under a attempt to junk sue them bankrupt EX500rider Feb 2018 #86

Except the ability to use a gun for violence is at least partially within their control mythology Feb 2018 #81

You want any"safety"features they will have to be made into laws/regs, just like the auto industry. EX500rider Feb 2018 #87

What about promoting modifications to... TomCADem Feb 2018 #101

They could but probably a job for the BATF...they just need to make them illegal. EX500rider Feb 2018 #102

The Brady Campaign says you're wrong. pnwmom Feb 2018 #17

The Brady Campaign... TCJ70 Feb 2018 #28

K & R Thank you for posting Wwcd Feb 2018 #73

We know where Democrats stand. lapucelle Feb 2018 #13

I'm ok with PLCAA. aikoaiko Feb 2018 #25

I want every gun store bankrupted...never was a gun grabber but iI have changed my mind...sick of Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #32

A kid is more likely to die Motownman78 Feb 2018 #46

... and that's why the law was put in place. Baconator Feb 2018 #114

Why Should Gun Manufacturers Be Treated Differently? TomCADem Feb 2018 #35

Because anti-gun groups were using lawsuits to attempt to bankrupt aikoaiko Feb 2018 #39

Should Opioid Makers Also Receive a Broad Immunity to Lawsuits? TomCADem Feb 2018 #50

Yes, if the goal of anti-medicine groups lawsuits was to bankrupt the Rx company aikoaiko Feb 2018 #53

No industry is immune from liability for deceptive practices Jim Lane Feb 2018 #99

+1, even Sudafed. It is Federally regulated. Drug dealers R B Garr Feb 2018 #105

This Immunity is Nothing Short of an Outrage--Every Pol Who Voted For It Needs to Be Voted Out dlk Feb 2018 #34

End immunity and then sue the entire industry into oblivion samir.g Feb 2018 #37

Which is exactly why the law came into being. EX500rider Feb 2018 #41

ABC: Alabama files lawsuit against opioid manufacturer TomCADem Feb 2018 #49

I don't think opioids are a Constitutional right. EX500rider Feb 2018 #55

If They Are Constitutionally Protected, Then Why Have Congressional Immunity? TomCADem Feb 2018 #57

The junk lawsuits weren't at the Supreme Court level. EX500rider Feb 2018 #58

Then if gun manufacturers lose, then they can appeal... TomCADem Feb 2018 #60

Well now they don't have to since PLCCA was passed. EX500rider Feb 2018 #69

So, It Was Passed To Save Them $ On Appeal? TomCADem Feb 2018 #70

The gravamen of the Alabama opioid suit is "deceptive marketing practices" Jim Lane Feb 2018 #100

Let it go to SCOTUS then samir.g Feb 2018 #51

There is little doubt how they would rule. EX500rider Feb 2018 #52

Unless defective, I am not for suing gun companies. Just like I am not for..... USALiberal Feb 2018 #61

I stand with the PLCAA. Sorry. (As well as the aircraft manufacturers and vaccine makers.) X_Digger Feb 2018 #62

Las Vegas shooting victims file lawsuit against bump stock makers - Cowards? TomCADem Feb 2018 #63

You mean the lawsuits started by the brady bunch? Or Bloomberg? X_Digger Feb 2018 #65

This message was self-deleted by its author CentralMass Feb 2018 #72

Absolutely gopiscrap Feb 2018 #74

Just out of curiosity, what if somebody uses a Rock Island Arsenal gun in a crime? Pope George Ringo II Feb 2018 #77

Gun companies should be held liable for defective products like every other manufacturer. Vinca Feb 2018 #79

None of those lawsuits, pre PLCAA, were ever successful. Calista241 Feb 2018 #82

I know where this loud and proud LIBERAL stands! ananda Feb 2018 #96

I think there's room to prosecute for certain irresponsible marketing, and irresponsible sales. AtheistCrusader Feb 2018 #98

Ive thought for years Meowmee Feb 2018 #106

I agree. nt LexVegas Feb 2018 #113