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StevieM

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188. But she might have been up in Ohio had it not been for the earlier Comey press conference in July.

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:39 PM

Feb 2018

The polls there were tight until a couple of weeks before the election. They may have moved towards Trump in the few days before the final Comey intervention, but they could always have moved back.

To be fair, blowing Donald Trump out of the water isn't exactly the biggest accomplishment in the world. But without Comey I think she would have done it, Putin's alliance with Trump not withstanding.

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Lack of Support Among Union Members for Democrats [View all] BlueDog22 Feb 2018 OP

I think they are sorry now but it's toooooooooooooo Iliyah Feb 2018 #1

The question is: "How do we bring these workers back into the fold?" Sophia4 Feb 2018 #159

You make the candidates fit the area...Sherrod Brown is very liberal (love him) but he also speaks Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #166

I'm a union member. Your co-workers, and ANY Republican-voting union members, have to Squinch Feb 2018 #2

NOT useful to refer to those one wants to persuade of something as elleng Feb 2018 #6

Maybe not useful, but true and as I say, the question is now moot. They'll know soon Squinch Feb 2018 #8

Unions can NOT be abolished with quartz007 Feb 2018 #69

I'm talking about the SC decision that is expected to take away the unions' rights to require Squinch Feb 2018 #77

That has to do with PUBLIC sector unions and the fee pay system. alarimer Feb 2018 #170

I think you meant to say Scalia had just died. You accidentally said Alito. (eom) StevieM Feb 2018 #180

Congress cannot abolish unions with a bill either standingtall Feb 2018 #87

The supreme court has a case before it as we speak that will abolish the right of unions Squinch Feb 2018 #97

I think most on here have no idea what right-to-work even entails. tonyt53 Feb 2018 #100

And if we give up all our power then, SURPRISE! all our power is gone. Squinch Feb 2018 #106

right to work laws are horrible standingtall Feb 2018 #124

In the vast majority of places where they have been enacted, unions have disappeared. Squinch Feb 2018 #125

Unions have not totally disappeared in right disappeared standingtall Feb 2018 #131

Not true at all MichMan Feb 2018 #144

Have the aggregate state membership rolls increased or decreased? LanternWaste Feb 2018 #172

Increased ( I did look it up) MichMan Feb 2018 #178

I Agree BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #153

Time to get back to the basics... UnTied Feb 2018 #158

Alito is alive and well MichMary Feb 2018 #168

Yes, sorry. Scalito was always interchangeable Squinch Feb 2018 #175

Also not useful to give them unwarranted respect. nt Atticus Feb 2018 #16

That's it. I'm really tired of tip-toeing around the fact that is as plain as the nose on our faces. Squinch Feb 2018 #20

I hate to agree with you but you are Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #110

THANK you! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #117

True and not just in presidential elections Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #27

Those types are never going to support democrats JI7 Feb 2018 #28

These kind of generalizations are wrong Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #49

If they vote for someone as fucked up as trump they are voted their bigotry JI7 Feb 2018 #51

dump being fucked up and most of his supporters being fucked up Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #62

If they aren't fucked up they would stop supporting him JI7 Feb 2018 #67

That was a generalization LanternWaste Feb 2018 #174

This is a myth, though a very widely spread one. The number of voters who voted for Obama Squinch Feb 2018 #65

And voter suppression . JI7 Feb 2018 #76

And gerrymandering and the FBI and Russia. NOT the mythical poor white guy who's all worried Squinch Feb 2018 #79

Yup, and for those who DID vote on the economy, they went mostly for Hillary JI7 Feb 2018 #86

Totally false statement Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #80

It's nowhere near 9%. Nate is misquoting his underlying study. From the link in your article to Squinch Feb 2018 #95

I disagree. Knocking doors in Ohio for Hillary was way different than knocking for Obama OhioBlue Feb 2018 #143

Yet way too many here want to blame it all on bigotry.... MichMan Feb 2018 #152

Michigan is a lot like Ohio - I knew Trump was full of shit OhioBlue Feb 2018 #156

Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #157

But a lot of that was because Comey and the FBI torpedoed her reputation going back to 2015. StevieM Feb 2018 #181

Some of GOTV was hurt because of Comey, I would agree to that.. but she was already OhioBlue Feb 2018 #187

But she might have been up in Ohio had it not been for the earlier Comey press conference in July. StevieM Feb 2018 #188

Thanks, Bradshaw3. elleng Feb 2018 #30

I hope more understand. That's how we win elections Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #42

Exactly elleng Feb 2018 #47

What if three more people of color and/or women came out to vote because we called out Squinch Feb 2018 #61

No reason you can't appeal to both groups Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #70

There is every reason why you can't appeal to both groups. One group IS women and Squinch Feb 2018 #74

See my response below - your belief is wrong Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #84

Voting for donald... tonedevil Feb 2018 #91

There are a lot of bigots in the country. Will trumps white male support go down after defending JI7 Feb 2018 #94

See my response. No it's not. Squinch Feb 2018 #96

You CANNOT appeal to minorities by coddling bigots EffieBlack Feb 2018 #119

There's a huge difference between....... WillowTree Feb 2018 #186

They ARE stupid EffieBlack Feb 2018 #116

Thanks. You are so right. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #160

Thanks, Sophia4. elleng Feb 2018 #171

Agree. "DEPLORABLE" didn't help much, either. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #163

Right. elleng Feb 2018 #173

I've been trying to make that point with people for the longest time. WillowTree Feb 2018 #185

The issue is that RTW hasn't affected them at all MichMan Feb 2018 #15

That is one industry, and that's unusual. Look at every other RTW state and every other Squinch Feb 2018 #22

I Agree BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #26

The evidence is out there for all to see. The reason for the loss of wages and security for Squinch Feb 2018 #34

You seem to think all unions and industries are similar MichMan Feb 2018 #151

You seem to think that is representative. It isn't. Squinch Feb 2018 #176

Except union membership actually went up in Michigan MichMan Feb 2018 #179

Again, you seem to think that is representative. It isn't. Squinch Feb 2018 #184

You are wrong. And yes, it does matter to them. tonyt53 Feb 2018 #102

Sigh, I'm not defending RTW MichMan Feb 2018 #149

Agreed 1000 percent!!! blueinredohio Feb 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Feb 2018 #109

The reason I resent them so much is that I am a union member, and they are taking Squinch Feb 2018 #114

AGREE People want FREE union benefits. don't want to pay dues. courts are breaking unions all over! bluestarone Feb 2018 #129

They need to abolish exclusive representation laws asap MichMan Feb 2018 #150

absolutely bluestarone Feb 2018 #169

They did help that happen. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #167

The big union reps have been having many union rallies BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3

Yes, I suspect due to fucking Reagun is a big part of the problem, elleng Feb 2018 #7

Reagan has been out of office nearly 30 years MichMan Feb 2018 #147

Mostly white males who, frankly and sadly, mostly vote repug (white male progressives are with us). brush Feb 2018 #4

Are they mostly men? Are they more sympathetic to corporate owners than their neighbors? Hoping for bettyellen Feb 2018 #5

Union Wokers BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #10

So, mostly white and mostly men? Im going to guess they like Trump in immigration and taxes? bettyellen Feb 2018 #24

they come back to the fold when their $15/hr job disappears and they are making $8/hr, until the beachbum bob Feb 2018 #9

Too Late BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #13

My estimate is within a year of this SC decision. What's yours? Squinch Feb 2018 #14

The visceral hate for a smart successful woman Freddie Feb 2018 #11

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Feb 2018 #90

Well, that depends..... spicysista Feb 2018 #12

Kerry BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #18

Get more hispanic voters, target educated white women with careers JI7 Feb 2018 #32

Black voters EffieBlack Feb 2018 #122

yup, the base of the party and the ones targeted for voter suppression by republicans JI7 Feb 2018 #141

Bill Clinton, Kerry and Obama all lost the white male vote JI7 Feb 2018 #33

Since these people have voted democratic in the past..... spicysista Feb 2018 #59

The problem as I see it... tonedevil Feb 2018 #85

+1 leftstreet Feb 2018 #142

The people in this thread criticizing the OP's premise must like being in the minority. Calista241 Feb 2018 #17

It Doesn't Bother Me BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #21

No. That's not why we lost in 16. We lost because of gerrymandering, voter suppression, Squinch Feb 2018 #31

Plan of Action BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #36

That message IS the plan of action. That IS what we do. Squinch Feb 2018 #58

I Know Trump Voters BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #63

I haven't attacked you at all. I have called union voters who vote for Trump(R) by their Squinch Feb 2018 #68

Do you have ANY idea how insulting it is for loyal black voters, who have voted Democratic election EffieBlack Feb 2018 #128

You're right. dawg Feb 2018 #136

EXACTLY!!! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #137

Russian interference and Comey is why we lost. And we still got millions more votes JI7 Feb 2018 #35

Comey BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #38

Comey pulled a great injustice. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #154

Agreed. Comey did much more damage than Putin IMO. (eom) StevieM Feb 2018 #182

Millions of extra votes in California, New York and Mass dont mean shit. Calista241 Feb 2018 #165

Democrats have never been in the minority. Squinch Feb 2018 #23

Democrats got millions more votes. JI7 Feb 2018 #29

Stop selling them out. shanny Feb 2018 #19

They supported trump so they sold themselves out. And they voted for Reagan also JI7 Feb 2018 #39

My point exactly. shanny Feb 2018 #57

If they have a shit about unions they would not supported Reagan and trump JI7 Feb 2018 #64

Circular. Fail. shanny Feb 2018 #83

It's like people worried about child sexual abuse voting for Roy Moore JI7 Feb 2018 #88

They left the fold after civil rights so you bring them back by not supporting civil rights anymore JI7 Feb 2018 #25

Factually untrue Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #37

The OP is talking about white men. JI7 Feb 2018 #43

Nope BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #45

White men that voted trump. That's what the OP is talking about JI7 Feb 2018 #48

I know that's who he is talking about Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #56

Democrats did well because of strong turnout of POC, and other base of the party. Beggibg bigoted m JI7 Feb 2018 #60

Thank You BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #99

Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #44

They voted for trump because they agreed with his bigotry, that's why they still approve of the job JI7 Feb 2018 #50

Blinded BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #52

I'm a brown person who has no interest in coddling bigoted white men JI7 Feb 2018 #55

Alabama showed us how to do it: huge GOTV among women and people of color, and we can't lose. Squinch Feb 2018 #98

Not Entirely BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #104

We won virginia also. With the same voters as in Alabama. JI7 Feb 2018 #107

Low Turn Out Election BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #113

LOL! So I guess we have to assume that GOTV among women and people of color just Squinch Feb 2018 #127

Alabama shows we shouldn't beg White Men for Votes considering such a large majority voted for a JI7 Feb 2018 #155

Their decision has to come back and bite them on the economic a$$. Tatiana Feb 2018 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #41

I belonged to a school secretaries' union. GreenEyedLefty Feb 2018 #53

True BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #54

Why? Our party abandoned many unions in the early 90's. X_Digger Feb 2018 #66

I think its really fucked up that people voted for scum like trump and roy moore JI7 Feb 2018 #71

Why would any union member support Republicans? mcar Feb 2018 #72

Because they aren't voting based on their union and jobs JI7 Feb 2018 #78

I agree mcar Feb 2018 #81

Yup, we have an administration defending men that beat up women JI7 Feb 2018 #92

Yeah, we need to reach out and understand them mcar Feb 2018 #93

Im thinking union members will long for the days when they got overtime pay when a kennedy Feb 2018 #73

And black voters were not going to show up for Doug Jones and Ralph Northam RandySF Feb 2018 #75

In South, you are talking about bigots and xenophobes. Nothing worse than Archie Bunker Hoyt Feb 2018 #82

Unlike the model of progressive governance and pro union government we see in Wisconsin? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #134

You do have a point. Hoyt Feb 2018 #161

The AFL CIO supported Nixon in 72 because of the anti-Vietnam War stance of many Democrats. jalan48 Feb 2018 #89

OK I have read all the replies on this thread. doc03 Feb 2018 #101

NAFTA BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #123

We have an asshole in this Congressional District named Bill Johnson. He came about doc03 Feb 2018 #130

anti-Hillary propaganda worked on more than just repuke assholes Skittles Feb 2018 #103

Very True BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #105

And there's at least one poster in this very thread who was one of the people spreading it. Squinch Feb 2018 #108

oh there are quite a few DUers who bought a lot of garbage about Hillary Skittles Feb 2018 #126

It's not just propaganda it's white men angry at losing privilege JI7 Feb 2018 #111

That's a good point. It explains why a phony scandal about an email server could be taken so far. StevieM Feb 2018 #183

We should make an effort but should definitely not bust our asses trying to win them back EffieBlack Feb 2018 #112

I Agree BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #115

I'm from a union family. SharonClark Feb 2018 #118

Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #121

Culture Wars Nevernose Feb 2018 #120

At only 10.7% of workers, are unions much of a factor anymore? FarCenter Feb 2018 #132

10 Percent BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #138

The one thing that binds all trump voters is their hate for Hillary. LuvLoogie Feb 2018 #133

Social Conservatives are the Worst BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #139

Southern white guy here. Worked my entire career in a Union company GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #135

"racism pure and simple." moondust Feb 2018 #145

Yep. And to hell with trying to understand them... GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #146

Stop listening to AM talk radio and watching Fox News tenderfoot Feb 2018 #140

Convince them to not be bigots Bradical79 Feb 2018 #148

Thank you for stating some facts in the face of all the old, tired, disproven myths that Squinch Feb 2018 #177

A bunch of white men betrayed their union, their party, their country samir.g Feb 2018 #162

If they vote for Trump again who has done nothing for any of of them...than it is about racism...and Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #164