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231. You can vote for who you want but a vote for Hillary in the GE is the price for DU membership
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 04:11 PM
Feb 2018

if you were an eligible voter.

From Skinner:
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I despise "conscience" voters whose egos are more important than the lives of their fellow citizens. As if anyone agrees with any candidate 100%

Are the incumbents bad Democrats, or are the so-called "progressives" just taking advantage Hoyt Feb 2018 #1
So called? zipplewrath Feb 2018 #3
It cost us in November. Not saying it's wrong at all, but it cost us. I hope that doesn't happen Hoyt Feb 2018 #5
It will probably happen again. Some want to cause democrats to lose. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #53
Yep blow up the system is what they seem to be about. redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #58
I hear/read you, and totally agree. Hoyt Feb 2018 #59
That is what they do. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #76
Yes, but we can help enlighten those who are mislead into Hortensis Feb 2018 #92
What cost us was the failure of the primary system to select the most electable candidate. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #90
Who is us? oasis Feb 2018 #96
Well, one of the other candidates main platform was reneging on trade agreements. Hoyt Feb 2018 #97
The other candidate didnt get the votes, mostly because of the poor performance of his asshat emulatorloo Feb 2018 #108
Nope, the most electable candidate was nominated. GOP held off on Sanders intentionally stevenleser Feb 2018 #120
lol, when more people vote for a candidate, it's called a win. R B Garr Feb 2018 #121
Those maths again.... ehrnst Feb 2018 #147
Yes, and Democrats voting for the Democrat is R B Garr Feb 2018 #160
Well, President Clinton will be relieved to hear that. lagomorph777 Feb 2018 #149
Well, I suppose HRC could have gone in and single handedly undone voter suppression ehrnst Feb 2018 #154
You were clearly implying that Bernie was cheated by R B Garr Feb 2018 #157
What candidates are you referring to? ehrnst Feb 2018 #148
Thumbs on the scale? Really????? George II Feb 2018 #164
Actual voters showed who was the most electable candidate. What polls are you talking about? ehrnst Feb 2018 #169
Lagomorph, Judicial Watch alone had intensive scandals Hortensis Feb 2018 #183
Oh, and progressives were forced to choose between establishment Dems and new blood/ideas Weed Man Feb 2018 #132
Hillary ran on the most progressive platform the Dems ever had. Yes, she is progressive. ehrnst Feb 2018 #150
+1 Go Vols Feb 2018 #193
Nobody is questioning the right of people to challenge incumbents in a primary Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2018 #6
Ask all 4 zipplewrath Feb 2018 #9
That is weird Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2018 #18
As of February 5, he is. ehrnst Feb 2018 #152
I'm putting my money on the "Restaurant Owner and Felon"... brooklynite Feb 2018 #107
Cardin filed on February 5... ehrnst Feb 2018 #151
Thanks! Sophia4 Feb 2018 #7
So called for sure...I a sick of this shit...in a year when we have nothing these folks waste money Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #75
And if they win the primary? zipplewrath Feb 2018 #78
I always vote for the Democrat...but an incumbent has an advantage thus if they win...the seat could Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #84
Their being awfully quite about it zipplewrath Feb 2018 #87
Supposedly Move On did field a candidate. They said they did. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #99
In what context zipplewrath Feb 2018 #109
Tim Ryan comes from a district that went for Trump but not in a huge way but he feels the need to Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #113
So when did the "smoke filled room" come back? ehrnst Feb 2018 #168
It hasn't zipplewrath Feb 2018 #170
On the part of whom? Can you name examples? ehrnst Feb 2018 #171
I'm talking about this thread zipplewrath Feb 2018 #172
But is it actually happening IRL? ehrnst Feb 2018 #173
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #175
Which primaries? ehrnst Feb 2018 #179
хорошего дня George II Feb 2018 #191
They're probably just running. Orsino Feb 2018 #27
Lipinski, for one, is a VERY bad Democrat. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #66
OK, there's one. Hoyt Feb 2018 #67
I think that seat will be OK as the GOP running but should he win ...it is one vote less for taking Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #77
"These folks cost us in 16...." -- such hypocrisy. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #93
That is not my opinion. My opinion is that the so called progressives should Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #98
Really, establishment? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #103
There will always be some sore losers who defect in the general if their candidate lost the primary. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #104
Could not disagree more. GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #111
Yet you are, apparently, agreeing with what I actually wrote. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #112
There are more actual RW'ers at that JPR website than there are here, so R B Garr Feb 2018 #122
In Lipinski's case, the Democratic establishment is squarely on the side of the opponent. ieoeja2 Feb 2018 #212
hindsight being 20/20 and all BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #159
With the exception of outliers like conservative Dem Dan Lipinski... brooklynite Feb 2018 #105
Hoyt saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #129
Dude, we need new blood Weed Man Feb 2018 #131
I suggest we win in 2018 before having "new blood" and the incumbent bloody each Hoyt Feb 2018 #133
Fine, we can win 2018, but with NEW blood. Weed Man Feb 2018 #142
Spare me the "progressive" lecture too. Hoyt Feb 2018 #158
That's the same old song and dance we got all through 2016 that caused division and bled off .... BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #162
Democrats have produced "nothing" in your "lifetime?" ehrnst Feb 2018 #184
That was almost all Obama Egnever Feb 2018 #192
Defending Planned Parenthood? CHIP? IDEA? ehrnst Feb 2018 #194
If you're "a young blood", how can you be "tired of establishment Democrats"? George II Feb 2018 #187
Good question. ehrnst Feb 2018 #188
Want some cheese with that whine? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #207
FMLA, IDEA... the list goes on. ehrnst Feb 2018 #209
You mean like this? ehrnst Feb 2018 #217
Poorly written article looking to create dividsion. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #2
Any Democrat in Congress who voted for the Iraq War should be voted out. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #8
I don't think anyone in congress who voted against a pathway to citizenship should be in office. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #11
Agreed about voting against a path to citizenship! Sophia4 Feb 2018 #17
As a matter of fact we've gained seats in both the House and Senate, and just barely... George II Feb 2018 #73
We should quit spreading this kind of pernicious misinformation R B Garr Feb 2018 #116
I am a Democrat -- lifelong. I belong to a Democratic Club, and have served as Sophia4 Feb 2018 #163
How absurd that you pretend you hurt my feelings. R B Garr Feb 2018 #166
It wasn't just Hillary who lost. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #177
Bernie also lost. Since you are so invested in digging up who lost, R B Garr Feb 2018 #180
Reminds me of someone named Sabrina. ehrnst Feb 2018 #199
JD R B Garr Feb 2018 #204
And gerrymandering. You left that little thing out. ehrnst Feb 2018 #198
I agree lunamagica Feb 2018 #56
ahhh, I've heard this argument before BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #14
Good question mcar Feb 2018 #19
Lets add to that. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #22
The reason that new candidates, new Democrats are challenging incumbent Democrats Sophia4 Feb 2018 #24
So why aren't they going after red seats instead? Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #25
Good question. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #26
I'm technically not allowed to mention this, but Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #29
I'd technically say you are on target BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #31
My guess is you are on to something mcar Feb 2018 #32
Word. NurseJackie Feb 2018 #34
Did most elected Democrats bow to kiss Hillary's ring? Jim Lane Feb 2018 #45
Hillary had the credentials, the history and never campaigned against a Democratic incumbent. LuvLoogie Feb 2018 #69
Hillary never required it not did her supporters. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #115
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #124
You really should try for consistency. It was a "political process" that saw R B Garr Feb 2018 #125
Thank you for proving my point! (n/t) Jim Lane Feb 2018 #127
And you as well. It's clear what your posts are really advocating, so R B Garr Feb 2018 #128
Indeed. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #140
Who mentioned superdelegates? George II Feb 2018 #167
Yup lunamagica Feb 2018 #57
Nailed it... SidDithers Feb 2018 #88
Yep. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #141
Nailed it. Thats exactly what this is about. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #144
It's a very Sarandonesque way of thinking. Maddening, huh? NurseJackie Feb 2018 #35
Uhhhhhhhhhh yep Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #36
Uh, maybe they don't live in those districts? Jim Lane Feb 2018 #51
And once again you fail to grasp how politics works... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #190
Blue_Tires, meet Blue_Tires Jim Lane Feb 2018 #95
The difference here is Tulsi is in the Bernie club so she's safe Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #189
Seems like an odd question Egnever Feb 2018 #130
I just don't get what's so sexy about cannibalization... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #196
I don't understand what you are saying Egnever Feb 2018 #202
no, not every time... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #206
People run where they live. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #195
Sometimes... Not always. Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #197
"Losing an election is a message from the electorate that the voters prefer the opposing candidate" BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #28
Well said! mcar Feb 2018 #33
Who in the hell said THAT? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #37
WELL...... BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #40
sigh Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #41
Again, the candidate who chooses to run is responsible for creating a campaign Sophia4 Feb 2018 #42
your writings tend to go on a bit. BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #63
Exactly, and the actions are the exact opposite of R B Garr Feb 2018 #153
for a second there, I thought I was the only one seeing it that way. Thanks :) BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #155
I would argue that Comey should be listed at the top of that list. StevieM Feb 2018 #61
What you wrote isnt logical. If they are incumbent that means they won their seats emulatorloo Feb 2018 #38
Incumbents won their own seats, but they did not create an environment in which Sophia4 Feb 2018 #47
Thanks. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #48
you know what happened in Alabama? BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #50
I know what happened in Alabama. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #62
so why state it can be repeated everywhere...so much rubbish n/t BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #65
My view is that we need to focus on the future. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #72
focus on the future by trying to reinvent the past mistakes of the purists BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #86
Yes, let's quit advocating for third party candidates who can't win elections. R B Garr Feb 2018 #213
Extremists in primaries are part of why the system breaks down. ehrnst Feb 2018 #143
not sure I can count all the ways in which I disagree with your post...but here is another one BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #49
I stand by my statement. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #55
your arguments are not convincing, they are the same words I heard all through the Primaries BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #60
So, with all of that, do you have any suggestions on how to accomplish any of that? George II Feb 2018 #74
Focus on the future, on how we Democrats are the Party that can integrate Sophia4 Feb 2018 #83
That's all well and good, but in this discussion you also said.... George II Feb 2018 #85
I'm confused..... George II Feb 2018 #79
I hope that I have answered your questions. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #161
So you think that Obama should have been primaried? Really? ehrnst Feb 2018 #182
"It is up to the winner to reach out to the losers to reunite the Party after a primary." ehrnst Feb 2018 #156
If "purity" cuts off one's nose to spite one's face, it should be called out as such. ehrnst Feb 2018 #181
"Losing an election is a message from the electorate lapucelle Feb 2018 #205
Yes. It was. I am in California, and my vote simply did not count. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #222
The Bernie or Bust movement went way beyond California R B Garr Feb 2018 #225
Shunning divisiveness is commendable. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #227
Ah yet more self-serving revisionist history couched in R B Garr Feb 2018 #229
I am reminded of one of my daughters who didn't like one of her classmates. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #232
Your stories about three-year-olds and little girls are as R B Garr Feb 2018 #234
I live in California. When Democrats dare to stand up for the right of Californians Sophia4 Feb 2018 #235
More tortuous denials. Completely self-serving. You should just admit R B Garr Feb 2018 #237
You can vote for who you want but a vote for Hillary in the GE is the price for DU membership seaglass Feb 2018 #231
You'll be happy to hear about this challenge - "new blood" vs a 28 year capitol hill veteran: ehrnst Feb 2018 #218
Well he left to become the Secretary of State...but Kerry voted for the Iraq war...as did most Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #80
Any politician in office who voted against the Brady Bull shoiuld be voted out. lapucelle Feb 2018 #208
Tell us; did you vote to re-elect President Obama in 2012? brooklynite Feb 2018 #224
Yes. Once we were in, we almost had to stay. The very reason I say that anyone Sophia4 Feb 2018 #226
In light of today's tragic and preventable events in FL, lapucelle Feb 2018 #243
I agree. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #244
govtrack has Capuano rated in the middle of the Democrats FarCenter Feb 2018 #15
Solid Progressive. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #23
Sorry, what's the "truth to powoer crowd?" Sounds attractive. nt LAS14 Feb 2018 #46
Bad strategy mcar Feb 2018 #4
They want to run against Republicans, but they have to run against certain Democrats Sophia4 Feb 2018 #10
Not in a Republican district, they don't mcar Feb 2018 #16
That's because they're stupid. Squinch Feb 2018 #12
Primaries are being "stormed" by mostly long shots? Hortensis Feb 2018 #13
Extreme longshots Gothmog Feb 2018 #230
:) Extreme. Well, running's fine and good, and Hortensis Feb 2018 #233
We Need to Stop the Infighting BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #20
How to stop the infighting: Everyone who disagrees with me stands down. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #106
Exactly what KPD said to SDP in 1933. I wonder how much they thought of that on their way to stevenleser Feb 2018 #123
I believe you've misinterpreted my post. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #126
It will be interesting to look back, following the primaries MineralMan Feb 2018 #21
I am personally working and contributing to DEMOCRATS... pbmus Feb 2018 #30
Any group who does this sort of thing...including Our revolution, Democracy for American and/or Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #81
I am for progressives running anywhere mvd Feb 2018 #39
It makes sense to do this in the "country's bluest districts" aikoaiko Feb 2018 #43
I will never support a candidate backed by Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress or Our Revolution seaglass Feb 2018 #44
Weird that, two groups want to UNSEAT democrats. Not just one anymore, two. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #52
Squabbling BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #71
Great to hear. Nothing wrong with competing ideas being debated in public. jalan48 Feb 2018 #54
Bad to hear...could cost us the house...we have limited resources which need to be spent unseating Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #82
I believe in Democracy. This is how it works. jalan48 Feb 2018 #100
We won't have a Democracy if we don't start winning elections. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #114
Hitting the snooze button is no longer an option-time to get involved! jalan48 Feb 2018 #117
Nope, Democracy isn't an excuse to turn off your brain. Democracy includes coalition building stevenleser Feb 2018 #119
Let's have robust primaries. It will help us to better gage what the voters want. As opposed to top jalan48 Feb 2018 #139
Robust primaries?? Does that mean multiple candidates R B Garr Feb 2018 #174
Hopefully it's about issues, not name calling. jalan48 Feb 2018 #178
At what point in my life did anyone but me vote? Hortensis Feb 2018 #228
Short of making all the primaries closed, what's the solution? Only one candidate? jalan48 Feb 2018 #238
The choice isn't and never was one or none, black or white. Hortensis Feb 2018 #239
Who decides who is honest and worthy? jalan48 Feb 2018 #240
You were supposed to say YES, Hortensis Feb 2018 #241
Having a number of Democrats running in a primary doesn't bother me at all. jalan48 Feb 2018 #242
Even if every one of these candidates wins it will not get them the change they say they want. StevieM Feb 2018 #64
Crowley has already switched on health care. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #68
Changing the mind of a Democrat from Queens won't get single payer. StevieM Feb 2018 #70
You completely miss the point. Changing the mind of ANY one Democrat won't get it. Jim Lane Feb 2018 #89
I guess the question is whether it is a good idea to run single-payer supporting candidates StevieM Feb 2018 #94
I for one am glad to see this kurtcagle Feb 2018 #91
Good, isn't that what everyone told us to do? vi5 Feb 2018 #101
Have you notice ...Democrats have no power in Washington...timing is everything. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #137
at what juncture in the last 30 years of politics would you have made a different argument, really? JCanete Feb 2018 #176
Anytime...I can 't remember a time we had nothing...maybe the first two years in the Reagan Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #186
Nailed it Egnever Feb 2018 #203
Interesting GaryCnf Feb 2018 #102
Why has 'progressive' become a bad word? left-of-center2012 Feb 2018 #110
Probably because they enabled the seating of George W. Bush and Donald Trump nt stevenleser Feb 2018 #118
+1000 Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #136
Some threads are worth saidsimplesimon Feb 2018 #134
Progressive is a great word and political ideology...but when some confuse progressive with Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #135
Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Feb 2018 #146
Love the Alinksy quote. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #211
Yeah, like Democrats Cha Feb 2018 #201
Exactly, the "Young Turks" wing (not Democrats any of them) costs us elections. We pay a heavy Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #210
Imo, serious judgement and behavior issues among a minority. Hortensis Feb 2018 #165
I honestly find the responses in this thread shocking Egnever Feb 2018 #138
+1 Nevernose Feb 2018 #185
Who is suggesting that? ehrnst Feb 2018 #215
Who are the candidates running for Mayor in Burlington Vermont this year? George II Feb 2018 #220
Maybe if a person doesnt like the outcome of a given primary, maybe that is the problem here Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #223
When have primaries ever NOT determined what a majority of citizens want? George II Feb 2018 #216
When they have been supplanted by caucuses.... ehrnst Feb 2018 #219
Precisely - caucuses result in bullying, intimidation, and "mob rule". Primaries are the way to go.. George II Feb 2018 #221
It sounds like you feel like you're being oppressed. ehrnst Feb 2018 #214
There is evidently a Texas primary contest that fits this thread Gothmog Feb 2018 #145
Oh? Good of them to join us. FINALLY. JNelson6563 Feb 2018 #200
A former business associate of my wife reached out about her campaign for a House seat... brooklynite Feb 2018 #236
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