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Response to bigtree (Reply #40)

Wed Feb 14, 2018, 02:14 PM

50. I don't disagree with anything you wrote

It's not so much some individuals who play multi-dimensional chess, politics itself IS multi-dimensional chess. I knew when I chose the subject line for this OP that it pulled a thread out of a woven tapestry seemingly to the exclusion of another. It's hard to do nuance in a subject line and still have a thread actually clicked on, but I was trying to emphasize a perspective that IMO is not getting as much attention across the board as it needs to.

Clearly all of us, from 18 year olds registering for the first time with little prior political interest, to our national congressional leadership, have to do all that is humanly possible to defend Meuller's probe from being shut down or neutered in any way at any time. I agree that our continuing democracy may rest on the integrity and the thoroughness of that investigation. So I am more than happy that Democrats like Peter Schiff and others do not allow any and all efforts to hinder Mueller escape a fierce rebuttal. Investigative journalists as well must not take their eyes off of the Russia investigation ball and all of the related corruption that goes with it. And all of us must keep the anger against Trump, and the reasons for that anger, stoked among those who are open to feeling it - it is a powerful driving force for our get out the vote efforts come November.

I strongly agree with all of your paragraph that begins: "Problem is, it's hard to promote this sort of shadow government..." And yes, corruption is the issue. But many eyes glaze over at the mention of it, some out of a sense of ingrained cynicism that "all of them do it". It does take forceful high level repetition to break through and grab people by the neck to look at specific instances of corruption to become motivated enough to do something about it. Scandals have plagued the Trump government from day one (before that actually) and there is no reason for any sane person to expect that not to continue to be the case. If anything there is an overload of scandals that makes it hard for many people to let the impact of any one of them truly sink in.

Mueller indictments have the power to actually break through and reach people, but the timing of those is mostly dictated by his investigation itself and not by politics. The media is already on 24/7 coverage of Presidential corruption to an extent that I have not seen since Watergate. All of this has had a strong impact and will continue to do so, but at this point it is hard to think of any silver bullet outside of dramatic Mueller findings that will significantly further alter opinions regarding Trump's behavior, short of him shooting someone in Times Square - if that.

When Democrats control a branch of Congress a lot of that can change. Constant Republican hearings on Benghazi under the political guidance of partisan actors did shift some opinions on Hillary Clinton in a negative direction. The same would happen if Democrats chaired at least some of the committees with governmental oversight. But for that to happen we have to first take back one or both houses of Congress. There is something of a chicken/egg circle quality to this. My major point is that the moving piece to this puzzle that remains a bit too much in the shadows is the political agenda of Republicans in Congress, above and beyond the specific grave threats posed by Trump. With Congressional elections looming, given the political mostly truism that "all politics is local" and the fact that many people give their incumbent Congressional Representatives the benefit of the doubt when it comes to giving them their vote, we need to more sharply attack the entire Republican Party.

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