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In reply to the discussion: Progressives storm Democratic primaries [View all]ehrnst
(32,640 posts)181. If "purity" cuts off one's nose to spite one's face, it should be called out as such.
"Losing an election is a message from the electorate that the voters prefer the opposing candidate."
That applies to those outside the Democratic party as well as those inside it, and not just in general elections. Right?
It's the politicians now occupying seats, now representing the Party, who are responsible for making sure Democrats are in the majority and that what they do appeals to voters. They have not succeeded in accomplishing that goal.
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Which politicians are those? Would that blame extend to Senators appointed by party leaders for outreach?
It is up to the winner to reach out to the losers to reunite the Party after a primary.
Democrats do this. Who are you talking about?
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Are the incumbents bad Democrats, or are the so-called "progressives" just taking advantage
Hoyt
Feb 2018
#1
It cost us in November. Not saying it's wrong at all, but it cost us. I hope that doesn't happen
Hoyt
Feb 2018
#5
What cost us was the failure of the primary system to select the most electable candidate.
lagomorph777
Feb 2018
#90
The other candidate didnt get the votes, mostly because of the poor performance of his asshat
emulatorloo
Feb 2018
#108
Nope, the most electable candidate was nominated. GOP held off on Sanders intentionally
stevenleser
Feb 2018
#120
Well, I suppose HRC could have gone in and single handedly undone voter suppression
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#154
Actual voters showed who was the most electable candidate. What polls are you talking about?
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#169
Oh, and progressives were forced to choose between establishment Dems and new blood/ideas
Weed Man
Feb 2018
#132
Hillary ran on the most progressive platform the Dems ever had. Yes, she is progressive.
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#150
Nobody is questioning the right of people to challenge incumbents in a primary
Proud Liberal Dem
Feb 2018
#6
So called for sure...I a sick of this shit...in a year when we have nothing these folks waste money
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#75
I always vote for the Democrat...but an incumbent has an advantage thus if they win...the seat could
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#84
Tim Ryan comes from a district that went for Trump but not in a huge way but he feels the need to
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#113
I think that seat will be OK as the GOP running but should he win ...it is one vote less for taking
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#77
That is not my opinion. My opinion is that the so called progressives should
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#98
There will always be some sore losers who defect in the general if their candidate lost the primary.
Jim Lane
Feb 2018
#104
In Lipinski's case, the Democratic establishment is squarely on the side of the opponent.
ieoeja2
Feb 2018
#212
That's the same old song and dance we got all through 2016 that caused division and bled off ....
BoneyardDem
Feb 2018
#162
If you're "a young blood", how can you be "tired of establishment Democrats"?
George II
Feb 2018
#187
I don't think anyone in congress who voted against a pathway to citizenship should be in office.
NCTraveler
Feb 2018
#11
As a matter of fact we've gained seats in both the House and Senate, and just barely...
George II
Feb 2018
#73
I am a Democrat -- lifelong. I belong to a Democratic Club, and have served as
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#163
The reason that new candidates, new Democrats are challenging incumbent Democrats
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#24
Hillary had the credentials, the history and never campaigned against a Democratic incumbent.
LuvLoogie
Feb 2018
#69
"Losing an election is a message from the electorate that the voters prefer the opposing candidate"
BoneyardDem
Feb 2018
#28
for a second there, I thought I was the only one seeing it that way. Thanks :)
BoneyardDem
Feb 2018
#155
What you wrote isnt logical. If they are incumbent that means they won their seats
emulatorloo
Feb 2018
#38
Incumbents won their own seats, but they did not create an environment in which
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#47
Yes, let's quit advocating for third party candidates who can't win elections.
R B Garr
Feb 2018
#213
not sure I can count all the ways in which I disagree with your post...but here is another one
BoneyardDem
Feb 2018
#49
your arguments are not convincing, they are the same words I heard all through the Primaries
BoneyardDem
Feb 2018
#60
So, with all of that, do you have any suggestions on how to accomplish any of that?
George II
Feb 2018
#74
"It is up to the winner to reach out to the losers to reunite the Party after a primary."
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#156
If "purity" cuts off one's nose to spite one's face, it should be called out as such.
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#181
I live in California. When Democrats dare to stand up for the right of Californians
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#235
You can vote for who you want but a vote for Hillary in the GE is the price for DU membership
seaglass
Feb 2018
#231
You'll be happy to hear about this challenge - "new blood" vs a 28 year capitol hill veteran:
ehrnst
Feb 2018
#218
Well he left to become the Secretary of State...but Kerry voted for the Iraq war...as did most
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#80
Any politician in office who voted against the Brady Bull shoiuld be voted out.
lapucelle
Feb 2018
#208
Yes. Once we were in, we almost had to stay. The very reason I say that anyone
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#226
They want to run against Republicans, but they have to run against certain Democrats
Sophia4
Feb 2018
#10
Exactly what KPD said to SDP in 1933. I wonder how much they thought of that on their way to
stevenleser
Feb 2018
#123
Any group who does this sort of thing...including Our revolution, Democracy for American and/or
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#81
I will never support a candidate backed by Justice Democrats, Brand New Congress or Our Revolution
seaglass
Feb 2018
#44
Weird that, two groups want to UNSEAT democrats. Not just one anymore, two.
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#52
Bad to hear...could cost us the house...we have limited resources which need to be spent unseating
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#82
Nope, Democracy isn't an excuse to turn off your brain. Democracy includes coalition building
stevenleser
Feb 2018
#119
Let's have robust primaries. It will help us to better gage what the voters want. As opposed to top
jalan48
Feb 2018
#139
Short of making all the primaries closed, what's the solution? Only one candidate?
jalan48
Feb 2018
#238
Even if every one of these candidates wins it will not get them the change they say they want.
StevieM
Feb 2018
#64
You completely miss the point. Changing the mind of ANY one Democrat won't get it.
Jim Lane
Feb 2018
#89
I guess the question is whether it is a good idea to run single-payer supporting candidates
StevieM
Feb 2018
#94
Have you notice ...Democrats have no power in Washington...timing is everything.
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#137
at what juncture in the last 30 years of politics would you have made a different argument, really?
JCanete
Feb 2018
#176
Anytime...I can 't remember a time we had nothing...maybe the first two years in the Reagan
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#186
Probably because they enabled the seating of George W. Bush and Donald Trump nt
stevenleser
Feb 2018
#118
Progressive is a great word and political ideology...but when some confuse progressive with
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#135
Exactly, the "Young Turks" wing (not Democrats any of them) costs us elections. We pay a heavy
Demsrule86
Feb 2018
#210
Maybe if a person doesnt like the outcome of a given primary, maybe that is the problem here
Eliot Rosewater
Feb 2018
#223
Precisely - caucuses result in bullying, intimidation, and "mob rule". Primaries are the way to go..
George II
Feb 2018
#221
A former business associate of my wife reached out about her campaign for a House seat...
brooklynite
Feb 2018
#236