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10. Union Wokers

Reply to bettyellen (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 12, 2018, 09:17 PM

Feb 2018

Mostly white men and women.

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Lack of Support Among Union Members for Democrats [View all] BlueDog22 Feb 2018 OP

I think they are sorry now but it's toooooooooooooo Iliyah Feb 2018 #1

The question is: "How do we bring these workers back into the fold?" Sophia4 Feb 2018 #159

You make the candidates fit the area...Sherrod Brown is very liberal (love him) but he also speaks Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #166

I'm a union member. Your co-workers, and ANY Republican-voting union members, have to Squinch Feb 2018 #2

NOT useful to refer to those one wants to persuade of something as elleng Feb 2018 #6

Maybe not useful, but true and as I say, the question is now moot. They'll know soon Squinch Feb 2018 #8

Unions can NOT be abolished with quartz007 Feb 2018 #69

I'm talking about the SC decision that is expected to take away the unions' rights to require Squinch Feb 2018 #77

That has to do with PUBLIC sector unions and the fee pay system. alarimer Feb 2018 #170

I think you meant to say Scalia had just died. You accidentally said Alito. (eom) StevieM Feb 2018 #180

Congress cannot abolish unions with a bill either standingtall Feb 2018 #87

The supreme court has a case before it as we speak that will abolish the right of unions Squinch Feb 2018 #97

I think most on here have no idea what right-to-work even entails. tonyt53 Feb 2018 #100

And if we give up all our power then, SURPRISE! all our power is gone. Squinch Feb 2018 #106

right to work laws are horrible standingtall Feb 2018 #124

In the vast majority of places where they have been enacted, unions have disappeared. Squinch Feb 2018 #125

Unions have not totally disappeared in right disappeared standingtall Feb 2018 #131

Not true at all MichMan Feb 2018 #144

Have the aggregate state membership rolls increased or decreased? LanternWaste Feb 2018 #172

Increased ( I did look it up) MichMan Feb 2018 #178

I Agree BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #153

Time to get back to the basics... UnTied Feb 2018 #158

Alito is alive and well MichMary Feb 2018 #168

Yes, sorry. Scalito was always interchangeable Squinch Feb 2018 #175

Also not useful to give them unwarranted respect. nt Atticus Feb 2018 #16

That's it. I'm really tired of tip-toeing around the fact that is as plain as the nose on our faces. Squinch Feb 2018 #20

I hate to agree with you but you are Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #110

THANK you! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #117

True and not just in presidential elections Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #27

Those types are never going to support democrats JI7 Feb 2018 #28

These kind of generalizations are wrong Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #49

If they vote for someone as fucked up as trump they are voted their bigotry JI7 Feb 2018 #51

dump being fucked up and most of his supporters being fucked up Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #62

If they aren't fucked up they would stop supporting him JI7 Feb 2018 #67

That was a generalization LanternWaste Feb 2018 #174

This is a myth, though a very widely spread one. The number of voters who voted for Obama Squinch Feb 2018 #65

And voter suppression . JI7 Feb 2018 #76

And gerrymandering and the FBI and Russia. NOT the mythical poor white guy who's all worried Squinch Feb 2018 #79

Yup, and for those who DID vote on the economy, they went mostly for Hillary JI7 Feb 2018 #86

Totally false statement Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #80

It's nowhere near 9%. Nate is misquoting his underlying study. From the link in your article to Squinch Feb 2018 #95

I disagree. Knocking doors in Ohio for Hillary was way different than knocking for Obama OhioBlue Feb 2018 #143

Yet way too many here want to blame it all on bigotry.... MichMan Feb 2018 #152

Michigan is a lot like Ohio - I knew Trump was full of shit OhioBlue Feb 2018 #156

Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #157

But a lot of that was because Comey and the FBI torpedoed her reputation going back to 2015. StevieM Feb 2018 #181

Some of GOTV was hurt because of Comey, I would agree to that.. but she was already OhioBlue Feb 2018 #187

But she might have been up in Ohio had it not been for the earlier Comey press conference in July. StevieM Feb 2018 #188

Thanks, Bradshaw3. elleng Feb 2018 #30

I hope more understand. That's how we win elections Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #42

Exactly elleng Feb 2018 #47

What if three more people of color and/or women came out to vote because we called out Squinch Feb 2018 #61

No reason you can't appeal to both groups Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #70

There is every reason why you can't appeal to both groups. One group IS women and Squinch Feb 2018 #74

See my response below - your belief is wrong Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #84

Voting for donald... tonedevil Feb 2018 #91

There are a lot of bigots in the country. Will trumps white male support go down after defending JI7 Feb 2018 #94

See my response. No it's not. Squinch Feb 2018 #96

You CANNOT appeal to minorities by coddling bigots EffieBlack Feb 2018 #119

There's a huge difference between....... WillowTree Feb 2018 #186

They ARE stupid EffieBlack Feb 2018 #116

Thanks. You are so right. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #160

Thanks, Sophia4. elleng Feb 2018 #171

Agree. "DEPLORABLE" didn't help much, either. JustABozoOnThisBus Feb 2018 #163

Right. elleng Feb 2018 #173

I've been trying to make that point with people for the longest time. WillowTree Feb 2018 #185

The issue is that RTW hasn't affected them at all MichMan Feb 2018 #15

That is one industry, and that's unusual. Look at every other RTW state and every other Squinch Feb 2018 #22

I Agree BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #26

The evidence is out there for all to see. The reason for the loss of wages and security for Squinch Feb 2018 #34

You seem to think all unions and industries are similar MichMan Feb 2018 #151

You seem to think that is representative. It isn't. Squinch Feb 2018 #176

Except union membership actually went up in Michigan MichMan Feb 2018 #179

Again, you seem to think that is representative. It isn't. Squinch Feb 2018 #184

You are wrong. And yes, it does matter to them. tonyt53 Feb 2018 #102

Sigh, I'm not defending RTW MichMan Feb 2018 #149

Agreed 1000 percent!!! blueinredohio Feb 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author INdemo Feb 2018 #109

The reason I resent them so much is that I am a union member, and they are taking Squinch Feb 2018 #114

AGREE People want FREE union benefits. don't want to pay dues. courts are breaking unions all over! bluestarone Feb 2018 #129

They need to abolish exclusive representation laws asap MichMan Feb 2018 #150

absolutely bluestarone Feb 2018 #169

They did help that happen. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #167

The big union reps have been having many union rallies BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #3

Yes, I suspect due to fucking Reagun is a big part of the problem, elleng Feb 2018 #7

Reagan has been out of office nearly 30 years MichMan Feb 2018 #147

Mostly white males who, frankly and sadly, mostly vote repug (white male progressives are with us). brush Feb 2018 #4

Are they mostly men? Are they more sympathetic to corporate owners than their neighbors? Hoping for bettyellen Feb 2018 #5

Union Wokers BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #10

So, mostly white and mostly men? Im going to guess they like Trump in immigration and taxes? bettyellen Feb 2018 #24

they come back to the fold when their $15/hr job disappears and they are making $8/hr, until the beachbum bob Feb 2018 #9

Too Late BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #13

My estimate is within a year of this SC decision. What's yours? Squinch Feb 2018 #14

The visceral hate for a smart successful woman Freddie Feb 2018 #11

+1,000 !! CountAllVotes Feb 2018 #90

Well, that depends..... spicysista Feb 2018 #12

Kerry BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #18

Get more hispanic voters, target educated white women with careers JI7 Feb 2018 #32

Black voters EffieBlack Feb 2018 #122

yup, the base of the party and the ones targeted for voter suppression by republicans JI7 Feb 2018 #141

Bill Clinton, Kerry and Obama all lost the white male vote JI7 Feb 2018 #33

Since these people have voted democratic in the past..... spicysista Feb 2018 #59

The problem as I see it... tonedevil Feb 2018 #85

+1 leftstreet Feb 2018 #142

The people in this thread criticizing the OP's premise must like being in the minority. Calista241 Feb 2018 #17

It Doesn't Bother Me BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #21

No. That's not why we lost in 16. We lost because of gerrymandering, voter suppression, Squinch Feb 2018 #31

Plan of Action BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #36

That message IS the plan of action. That IS what we do. Squinch Feb 2018 #58

I Know Trump Voters BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #63

I haven't attacked you at all. I have called union voters who vote for Trump(R) by their Squinch Feb 2018 #68

Do you have ANY idea how insulting it is for loyal black voters, who have voted Democratic election EffieBlack Feb 2018 #128

You're right. dawg Feb 2018 #136

EXACTLY!!! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #137

Russian interference and Comey is why we lost. And we still got millions more votes JI7 Feb 2018 #35

Comey BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #38

Comey pulled a great injustice. eom sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #154

Agreed. Comey did much more damage than Putin IMO. (eom) StevieM Feb 2018 #182

Millions of extra votes in California, New York and Mass dont mean shit. Calista241 Feb 2018 #165

Democrats have never been in the minority. Squinch Feb 2018 #23

Democrats got millions more votes. JI7 Feb 2018 #29

Stop selling them out. shanny Feb 2018 #19

They supported trump so they sold themselves out. And they voted for Reagan also JI7 Feb 2018 #39

My point exactly. shanny Feb 2018 #57

If they have a shit about unions they would not supported Reagan and trump JI7 Feb 2018 #64

Circular. Fail. shanny Feb 2018 #83

It's like people worried about child sexual abuse voting for Roy Moore JI7 Feb 2018 #88

They left the fold after civil rights so you bring them back by not supporting civil rights anymore JI7 Feb 2018 #25

Factually untrue Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #37

The OP is talking about white men. JI7 Feb 2018 #43

Nope BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #45

White men that voted trump. That's what the OP is talking about JI7 Feb 2018 #48

I know that's who he is talking about Bradshaw3 Feb 2018 #56

Democrats did well because of strong turnout of POC, and other base of the party. Beggibg bigoted m JI7 Feb 2018 #60

Thank You BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #99

Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #44

They voted for trump because they agreed with his bigotry, that's why they still approve of the job JI7 Feb 2018 #50

Blinded BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #52

I'm a brown person who has no interest in coddling bigoted white men JI7 Feb 2018 #55

Alabama showed us how to do it: huge GOTV among women and people of color, and we can't lose. Squinch Feb 2018 #98

Not Entirely BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #104

We won virginia also. With the same voters as in Alabama. JI7 Feb 2018 #107

Low Turn Out Election BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #113

LOL! So I guess we have to assume that GOTV among women and people of color just Squinch Feb 2018 #127

Alabama shows we shouldn't beg White Men for Votes considering such a large majority voted for a JI7 Feb 2018 #155

Their decision has to come back and bite them on the economic a$$. Tatiana Feb 2018 #40

This message was self-deleted by its author BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #41

I belonged to a school secretaries' union. GreenEyedLefty Feb 2018 #53

True BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #54

Why? Our party abandoned many unions in the early 90's. X_Digger Feb 2018 #66

I think its really fucked up that people voted for scum like trump and roy moore JI7 Feb 2018 #71

Why would any union member support Republicans? mcar Feb 2018 #72

Because they aren't voting based on their union and jobs JI7 Feb 2018 #78

I agree mcar Feb 2018 #81

Yup, we have an administration defending men that beat up women JI7 Feb 2018 #92

Yeah, we need to reach out and understand them mcar Feb 2018 #93

Im thinking union members will long for the days when they got overtime pay when a kennedy Feb 2018 #73

And black voters were not going to show up for Doug Jones and Ralph Northam RandySF Feb 2018 #75

In South, you are talking about bigots and xenophobes. Nothing worse than Archie Bunker Hoyt Feb 2018 #82

Unlike the model of progressive governance and pro union government we see in Wisconsin? GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #134

You do have a point. Hoyt Feb 2018 #161

The AFL CIO supported Nixon in 72 because of the anti-Vietnam War stance of many Democrats. jalan48 Feb 2018 #89

OK I have read all the replies on this thread. doc03 Feb 2018 #101

NAFTA BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #123

We have an asshole in this Congressional District named Bill Johnson. He came about doc03 Feb 2018 #130

anti-Hillary propaganda worked on more than just repuke assholes Skittles Feb 2018 #103

Very True BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #105

And there's at least one poster in this very thread who was one of the people spreading it. Squinch Feb 2018 #108

oh there are quite a few DUers who bought a lot of garbage about Hillary Skittles Feb 2018 #126

It's not just propaganda it's white men angry at losing privilege JI7 Feb 2018 #111

That's a good point. It explains why a phony scandal about an email server could be taken so far. StevieM Feb 2018 #183

We should make an effort but should definitely not bust our asses trying to win them back EffieBlack Feb 2018 #112

I Agree BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #115

I'm from a union family. SharonClark Feb 2018 #118

Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #121

Culture Wars Nevernose Feb 2018 #120

At only 10.7% of workers, are unions much of a factor anymore? FarCenter Feb 2018 #132

10 Percent BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #138

The one thing that binds all trump voters is their hate for Hillary. LuvLoogie Feb 2018 #133

Social Conservatives are the Worst BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #139

Southern white guy here. Worked my entire career in a Union company GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #135

"racism pure and simple." moondust Feb 2018 #145

Yep. And to hell with trying to understand them... GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #146

Stop listening to AM talk radio and watching Fox News tenderfoot Feb 2018 #140

Convince them to not be bigots Bradical79 Feb 2018 #148

Thank you for stating some facts in the face of all the old, tired, disproven myths that Squinch Feb 2018 #177

A bunch of white men betrayed their union, their party, their country samir.g Feb 2018 #162

If they vote for Trump again who has done nothing for any of of them...than it is about racism...and Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #164