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Mon Feb 12, 2018, 06:26 PM

 

Ok, I'm not sure where I come down on the Gillibrand vs. Franken thing. [View all]

That's why I've pretty much said nothing about it until now.

I was torn between the idea of letting the Ethics Committee investigate the allegations regarding AL, on the one hand, and the imperative of believing victims of sexual harassment and abuse on the other.

But last night, while I still think AL probably should have resigned once more than one accuser came forward, Gillibrand lost me when she defended her insistence on pushing for Franken's resignation as necessary to defend her "right to speak out".

Her right to speak out?

It would be one thing to say that the victims of any form of sexual harassment or abuse have a right to speak out, but HER right to speak out, not as a person who herself has been a victim-to anyone's public knowledge-but to insist that her only choices were to either insist that AL resign or to be silent?

Why would she make THIS, of all possible things, about her?

Shouldn't she be centering those making the allegations, rather than her own right to speak?

And was there no way to center those making the allegations rather than pushing for AL to resign immediately?

I could respect it if she had said "AL should go because what matters is believing victims".

But she didn't seem to do that...did she?

AL was almost going to end up resigning anyway, so was Gillibrand apparent insistence on making this about herself really worth making him go maybe four or five months earlier than he otherwise would have gone?

I'm still conflicted on this one, but much less sympathetic to Gillibrand's own position on the matter than I would have been before Sunday night.


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