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appal_jack

(3,813 posts)
25. I agree with you on women's rights
Tue Jul 24, 2012, 09:10 PM
Jul 2012

I believe that, given the way that powerful interests try to trample our rights, an ideal Constitution should enshrine rights as broadly and explicitly as possible. The Bill of Rights is an excellent start, but as implemented today, it fails to go far enough. While many of the Founding Fathers assumed that the Bill of Rights might not even be necessary since all citizens would naturally support freedom, on this issue they were wrong. The Fourteenth Amendment improved matters, yet we still do not enjoy the full fruits of liberty that America promises.



So the parts you like have stayed the same, and the parts you don't like have changed... villager Jul 2012 #1
No, that's not what I'm saying at all. appal_jack Jul 2012 #4
well, I certainly appreciate the invitation to discuss! villager Jul 2012 #5
Well, I do own some weapons that you would like to ban... appal_jack Jul 2012 #8
Hey, app! Here's to where we overlap... villager Jul 2012 #19
cheers! (n/t) appal_jack Jul 2012 #22
Arms are not even a little bit regulated. not anywhere near as regulated as they need to become. robinlynne Jul 2012 #29
You are correct. TheWraith Jul 2012 #2
Supreme Court decision summary: elleng Jul 2012 #3
Well, if Scalia is saying it, it must be true! villager Jul 2012 #6
'Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion. elleng Jul 2012 #33
Exactly. villager Jul 2012 #39
So Tony can conduct an extensive review... orwell Jul 2012 #10
I disagree with Scalia on healthcare appal_jack Jul 2012 #16
AND 'Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion. elleng Jul 2012 #34
Scalia? seriously? undoubtedly? Scalia puts words into Thomas Jefferson's mouth? robinlynne Jul 2012 #30
'Justice Scalia wrote the majority opinion. elleng Jul 2012 #32
what do you say to people like me who think the whole 2nd amendment should be abandoned? CTyankee Jul 2012 #7
We say, "See Article 5 and go buck-wild." PavePusher Jul 2012 #9
Oh, I don't need your advice, Pave. Just pointing out how out of touch WE really are here. CTyankee Jul 2012 #12
do you think it is the second ammendment that is allowing the rest of the world to pass us by Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #15
No, I don't and it isn't. I was just using this as a point. It is more than that as Justice Ginsburg CTyankee Jul 2012 #20
if you don't and it isn't why did you see the need to go on? as for your questions Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #28
What happened in Aurora is itself an insult to civility for god's sake! CTyankee Jul 2012 #53
great point. robinlynne Jul 2012 #42
Geez CTYankee, why'd you ask for it then? Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #18
I told him why we have an unworkable constitution today. It was what we had in the past and CTyankee Jul 2012 #23
I disagree with your premise that our constitution is unworkable. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #27
Are you a progressive? a liberal? robinlynne Jul 2012 #43
Why is that? kctim Jul 2012 #55
Yeah, women's rights are "whims of a few" (over 50% of the population!) CTyankee Jul 2012 #63
God ole mob rule Dokkie Jul 2012 #65
what the hell are you talking about? CTyankee Jul 2012 #66
You suggesting because Dokkie Jul 2012 #67
you said "whims of the few." I was pointing out that women make up a slight majority. You have CTyankee Jul 2012 #69
I say start a repeal movement. Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #11
Justice Ginsburgh said that if she were to advise a new democracy she would recommend the CTyankee Jul 2012 #17
I agree with you on women's rights appal_jack Jul 2012 #25
You have so rightly described the problem, appal jack! The lack of specificity in our CTyankee Jul 2012 #26
Gender specific rights? Dokkie Jul 2012 #64
silly. I have one grandson and will have another in mid January. Why wouldn't I want for them CTyankee Jul 2012 #68
I say write your Senators and Representatives and ask them to initiate an amendment to repeal it slackmaster Jul 2012 #21
Of course. See my other posts in this threads about the deficiencies in our Constitution and CTyankee Jul 2012 #24
I think the US Consititution is rather imperfect, but very perfectable appal_jack Jul 2012 #52
Let's at least agree it's a terribly worded amendment. :) reformist2 Jul 2012 #13
I just don't see that. :-) nt Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #14
great, if you are NOT in the militia you can't have a gun. thanks! nt msongs Jul 2012 #31
um, nope, try again appal_jack Jul 2012 #35
Incorrect. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #37
Excellent. Lizzie Poppet Jul 2012 #36
Thanks! appal_jack Jul 2012 #46
It is worth emphasizing what you said about "Democratic leaders such as Bill Clinton" AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #38
Agreed, my friend (n/t) appal_jack Jul 2012 #40
the right to self defense with a firearm is not mentioned at all in the constitution. robinlynne Jul 2012 #45
Glad to see that as your position. Do you who John Locke was? Do you understand the philosophy AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #48
Here's the thing.... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author robinlynne Jul 2012 #44
But there is the Ninth Amendment too... appal_jack Jul 2012 #47
The Ninth Amendment... Jeff In Milwaukee Jul 2012 #54
Excellent historical addition to the discussion. n/t appal_jack Jul 2012 #58
The entire Amendment follows the word "militia." Of which we have none. DirkGently Jul 2012 #49
Nonsense, largely appal_jack Jul 2012 #50
Specifics? No. 2 says the National Guard is the militia. DirkGently Jul 2012 #51
the word "being" seems to connect the latter clause to the first treestar Jul 2012 #56
Cherry-picking nt LiberalEsto Jul 2012 #57
Great post.. X_Digger Jul 2012 #59
Thanks. Excellent points. n/t appal_jack Jul 2012 #62
Nope, I'll pass. Hell Hath No Fury Jul 2012 #60
Hell Hath No Attention Span (n/t) appal_jack Jul 2012 #61
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