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Hortensis

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25. Agree 100% about getting Democrats in power.
Thu Dec 28, 2017, 10:57 AM
Dec 2017

I do feel that most Democrats are generally the type we want and would show it in a congress controlled by solid Democratic majorities. Most young voters have literally never seen that, born after the New Deal era that ended around 1978.

For that matter, none of us have in the sense that all through the Democratic-dominated progressive era from the 1930s through the 1970s, the Democratic Party had a lot more conservatives, especially strong southern conservatives, who are now united with other conservatives, causing huge troubles, in the Republican Party. Overall, the Democratic caucuses have never been so liberal as now. People don't know it, though. Yet.

From hanging around here it's hard not to suspect these experts are overestimating Sanders' continued appeal. He's still the capital-P progressive leader, but increasingly less often mentioned, both on this forum and, notably, on the websites of different P-rogressive groups that have split off, which barely mention him, if at all, on their main pages.

My impression is that his 2016 followers are increasingly ready for another leader. I would support a competent, big-thinking, inclusive, liberal progressive whose plans were ambitious enough to appeal to them, but I'm concerned that a very different sort of iconoclast could harness the negative mood in these angry, worried times. Or just a no-go, third party splitter. We'll see.

I could definitely live with a Biden/Harris ticket dlwickham Dec 2017 #1
I know it's waaaay early, but I could see Biden / Harris Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #4
Uncle Teddy Bear, and we all know the veep's role Hortensis Dec 2017 #23
Klobuchar really doesn't do anything for me dlwickham Dec 2017 #34
I had this discussion with another DUer Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #36
how much would she help with the upper midwest though dlwickham Dec 2017 #38
How much appeal will Harris have outside California/the West Coast? Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #45
I think she would really transcend the usual geographical questions dlwickham Dec 2017 #46
Interesting read. W_HAMILTON Dec 2017 #2
I think the argument goes that people would see him as another Obama Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #5
That could be very good after the orange shit stain. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #20
unless Booker gets married between now and then, the gay rumors will hurt him dlwickham Dec 2017 #39
Don't care what others say - right now my picks are Warner/Klobuchar elfin Dec 2017 #3
I like Warner dlwickham Dec 2017 #40
I want a pro-peace candidate. David__77 Dec 2017 #6
The problem with that you have to get people to buy into facts and numbers Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #9
I don't consider opioid addiction a bigger threat than the M.E. or terrorism. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #16
The number of dead as a direct consequence implies otherwise... LanternWaste Dec 2017 #22
Are you serious? Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #15
The political incompetence it takes to want the Dem nominee to propose big tax increases is stevenleser Dec 2017 #27
You can say that again. Rule #1: Never say you're going to raise taxes... Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #32
Yes, Im serious. David__77 Dec 2017 #28
Franken is the only one that gets me excited, in that list. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #7
I love Al, but I hope he goes back to being a media figure Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #8
Boy, are YOU living in a different decade. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #13
It's not like Stewart is gone, and Franken needs work Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #24
Stewart has moved on from political satire. He's producing some movies or something. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #33
Colbert and Kimmel are hardly Millenials Algernon Moncrieff Dec 2017 #35
I didn't say THEY were. I said they are the new generation's holders of political humor... Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #37
I was heartened to hear them talk about Franken... W_HAMILTON Dec 2017 #11
I think you mean she called for Franken's ouster. Not for his support. ?? nt Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #14
Oops, yes, you are right! W_HAMILTON Dec 2017 #17
Yes, I was disappointed that she put her name on the list. I won't vote for her. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #18
They didn't bring it up because this article is from 3 months ago oberliner Dec 2017 #47
I'm hoping for a progressive like Sanders, but will settle for the one.. mvd Dec 2017 #10
Agree 100% about getting Democrats in power. Hortensis Dec 2017 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #12
A Gillibrand/Franken ticket? Or Franken/Gillibrand? JustABozoOnThisBus Dec 2017 #30
IMO, whoever supports UBI will be the winning candidate. CK_John Dec 2017 #19
No they won't. It is a losing issue at the moment. Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #21
Of course Michelle Obama is the only one that could pull it off. CK_John Dec 2017 #42
I don't think anyone could pull it off...country is not ready. But I love Michelle! Demsrule86 Dec 2017 #43
Bleh, little creativity ... mostly establishment candidates with little appeal outside of Persondem Dec 2017 #26
Harris/Waters, or Waters/Harris. Orsino Dec 2017 #29
Not liking Harris at the top of the ticket Amishman Dec 2017 #44
Steyer/Inslee. (eom) StevieM Dec 2017 #31
So nobody noticed this was first published back in September and isn't new? n/t BlueStater Dec 2017 #41
The Franken talk is a dead giveaway oberliner Dec 2017 #48
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