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doc03

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31. Yes you can lose a pension if it is not a Defined Benefit Pension insured by
Mon Dec 25, 2017, 08:46 PM
Dec 2017

the PBGC. Before Reagan a DB pension was considered a liability and a company couldn't touch the money. But under Reagan
they were changed to an asset. That gave birth to corporate raiders like Wilber Ross.
I have an example of that myself. In 1995 I worked at Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel. We went on strike that year to get a new DB
pension to replace the one we lost during a 1985 bankruptcy. The owner didn't want to give us a DB pension, he said it would cost him $185 million. But after 10 1/2 months strike he agreed to settle. Now he didn't come up with $185 million himself. What he did was
made a hostile takeover of a company called Handy and Harmon. Handy and Harmon had an over funded DB plan. He merged our new plan into theirs. Therefore basically stealing the money that belonged to the employees of Handy and Harmon to give us a pension. It is a long story but Wheeling Pittsburgh Steel liquidated in 2003 but I still receive my pension check from Handy and Harmon Corp.

That is what Wilbur Ross did to make his billions. He bought up troubled steel companies. He came in raided their pensions (legacy
costs), sold off any valuable property and opened the company back up with half the labor costs since they no longer had any legacy costs. Then he flipped the company for a nice little profit. Now we find out he also laundered the money and took it out of the country.

How did they lose their pensions? MichMan Dec 2017 #1
Working for a set time is common in the education industry n2doc Dec 2017 #7
They worked in an aircraft manufacturing plant MichMan Dec 2017 #8
I don't know the details n2doc Dec 2017 #10
Lots of workers would opt for a 401k match but they just don't have the means to do so. CTyankee Dec 2017 #12
Yes. klook Dec 2017 #32
I never worked anywhere that offered a pension plan until recently- dawg day Dec 2017 #33
It was unhappy for me that my brother (who was co-inheritor of my parents' estate) CTyankee Dec 2017 #37
It takes much less than that to be vested shanti Dec 2017 #17
I remember some unions bargained pensions away NotASurfer Dec 2017 #11
That's the wrong question maxrandb Dec 2017 #14
A lot of places don't offer pensions anymore. That has been since the 80's MiniMe Dec 2017 #16
401k's came in with the 1978 Revenue Act. former9thward Dec 2017 #29
Interesting read, but looking at the timeline at the link, MiniMe Dec 2017 #34
I agree; used to work in pension industry spooky3 Dec 2017 #18
In cases of bankruptcy sarah FAILIN Dec 2017 #22
Employers can under some circumstances terminate spooky3 Dec 2017 #24
Republic Steel did: dawg day Dec 2017 #35
I was puzzled by the guy working 29 years and then no pension. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #19
Look up Bethlehem Steel pensions... Hekate Dec 2017 #23
PBS Frontline did a good documentary on this spooky3 Dec 2017 #25
Except, if the Bethleham Steel retirees had a 401k, they wouldn't have lost all their retirement $$ MichMan Dec 2017 #27
Are you a blue collar worker with a high school/community college education? Just curious. nt Hekate Dec 2017 #28
Always worked in manufacturing plants MichMan Dec 2017 #30
THIS is why Social Security is increasingly important. Cut or take THAT away too and ... CousinIT Dec 2017 #2
excellent post NJCher Dec 2017 #5
I thought WalMart did away w/the greeters. I haven't seen one for years. Honeycombe8 Dec 2017 #3
I'm always amazed Brainstormy Dec 2017 #4
Yep. Yonnie3 Dec 2017 #9
Didn't Charles Dickens describe it as... yallerdawg Dec 2017 #6
GOP Solution: Don't be old and non-rich ck4829 Dec 2017 #13
Its even worse that you think... BSdetect Dec 2017 #15
I can't see the whole story due to the paywall but... VMA131Marine Dec 2017 #20
Social Security was implemented to supplement your retirement income. Xolodno Dec 2017 #21
Our healthcare and retirement are at the mercy of corrupt and greedy corporations. nt Irish_Dem Dec 2017 #26
Yes you can lose a pension if it is not a Defined Benefit Pension insured by doc03 Dec 2017 #31
Pension? What is a pension? Ferrets are Cool Dec 2017 #36
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