Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:24 PM
KoKo (84,711 posts)
Hillary PAC has launched a Video...this is where her Campaign Wants Her to Go...What do you all think? Can she be successful with a "Two Prong Attack?" Speeches she gives that rake in the money promoting Wall Street while Bill tours with a Country Singer on a Road Show riding in back of the "Red Truck" (he also used in '08) giving Stump Speeches talking about "The Man from Hope" who brought prosperity to Wall Street while he Deregulated Wall Street, Passed NAFTA, Telecom Reform, etc. Giving Away the Middle Class and leaving the Poor with "Welfare Reform." If they are targeting the former "Sun Belt" then I wonder if they've lost their minds because we aren't doing so well. And the Oil Price Drop hurts the Southwest and Montana who've been riding high on the Shale Oil Boom. Here's Hillary Pac's November Contribution to get the "Grassroots Campaign" for her Presidency involved: ----------- "STAND WITH HILLARY PAC Launches a Grass Roots Campaign to Take Back the South (Sun Belt) for Dems" LYRICS to the SONG FOLLOW THE VIDEO Published on Nov 16, 2014 http://www.SWH2016.com https://www.facebook.com/standwithhil... Looking back in time, learning hindsight’s always right. We came together in ‘08, a defining moment we all can celebrate. And now it’s 20-16 and this time I’m a thinking, Guys, put your boots on and let’s smash this ceiling. Oh I been thinkin’ about one great lady Like the women in my life, She’s a mother, a daughter, and through it all she’s a loving wife. Oh, there is something about her…this great lady. Caring, hard working once a First lady She fights for country n my family. Now it’s time for us to Stand Up with Hillary Hillary. Stand with Hillary Don’t matter if you’re living across this great land in a red or a blue state. Cuz Our American Dream is at stake, and there’s some hard choices, that need to be made. We’re needing a leader who’s tough and ready, whose got vision. For me it’s Hillary. And that’s my final decision. Oh I been thinking about one great lady Like the women in my life She’s a mother, a daughter, and through it all she’s loving wife Oh there is something about her…this great lady Caring, Hard Working once a First lady She fights for country n my family Now it’s time for us to Stand Up with Hillary Stand America with Hillary Written by Miguel Orozco Directed by Andrés Orozco Produced by Miguel Orozco, Andrés Orozco and Daniel Chavez DP: Michael Black Edited by Andrea Baltazar & Kassandra Kanaar Music Produced by David Salas Featuring Jason Tobias: http://www.jasontobias.com © Nueva Vista Media, Inc. All Clinton images used in this video are in the Public Domain Category News & Politics License Standard YouTube License
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KoKo | Dec 2014 | OP |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #1 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #6 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #7 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #8 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #10 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #11 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #12 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #15 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #16 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #17 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #18 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #19 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #20 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #21 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #22 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #26 | |
DonCoquixote | Dec 2014 | #28 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #31 | |
DonCoquixote | Dec 2014 | #32 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #34 | |
DonCoquixote | Dec 2014 | #37 | |
beerandjesus | Dec 2014 | #25 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #30 | |
beerandjesus | Dec 2014 | #40 | |
RiverLover | Dec 2014 | #47 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #14 | |
elehhhhna | Dec 2014 | #23 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #33 | |
elehhhhna | Dec 2014 | #35 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #36 | |
RiverLover | Dec 2014 | #48 | |
sabrina 1 | Dec 2014 | #44 | |
BootinUp | Dec 2014 | #45 | |
sabrina 1 | Dec 2014 | #46 | |
RiverLover | Dec 2014 | #49 | |
Mika | Dec 2014 | #2 | |
Scuba | Dec 2014 | #3 | |
Mass | Dec 2014 | #4 | |
Autumn | Dec 2014 | #5 | |
KoKo | Dec 2014 | #43 | |
arcane1 | Dec 2014 | #9 | |
NYC_SKP | Dec 2014 | #13 | |
KoKo | Dec 2014 | #27 | |
Thinkingabout | Dec 2014 | #24 | |
L0oniX | Dec 2014 | #29 | |
delrem | Dec 2014 | #38 | |
Enthusiast | Dec 2014 | #42 | |
Phlem | Dec 2014 | #39 | |
Enthusiast | Dec 2014 | #41 |
Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
1. All criticisms of Bill must be placed in the context of the post Reagan
change in political coalitions. Hillary's policies when she releases them, will be very progressive and in tune with today's priorities.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #1)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:30 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
6. Hillary's policies, should she implement them, would be a huge give away to Wall Street.
Rhetoric between now and any inaugaration notwithstanding.
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Response to Scuba (Reply #6)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:31 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
7. I disagree with you. and I am sure Wesley Clark does too. nt
Response to BootinUp (Reply #7)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:36 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
8. Maybe, but Jamie and Lloyd know I'm right.
Response to Scuba (Reply #8)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:45 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
10. They will support her when the time comes. nt
Response to BootinUp (Reply #10)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:47 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
11. You think they give her all that dough 'cause they believe she'll restore Glass-Steagall?
Response to Scuba (Reply #11)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:50 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
12. Scuba
Glass-Steagall is one way, and actually its an old an outdated way to regulate the financial cluster fuck. I think whatever she proposes will be better.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #12)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:05 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
15. Yeah, Glass-Steagall only worked great for 50 years.
Hillary is owned by Wall Street. And no, not all Democrats feel they must suck up to the Wall Street money trough to get elected.
Take, for example, this lady ... Elizabeth Warren is fighting Wall Street for the soul of the Democratic Party
![]() Bill Clinton changed the Democratic Party, and Elizabeth Warren is trying to change it back — at least when it comes to Wall Street. The latest intra-party skirmish has come over the so-called "CRomnibus" (don't ask) spending bill that would have funded the government for the next year, as well as, among other pet projects, killed Dodd-Frank's prohibition on big banks using federally-insured money to make exotic bets. Now, that wouldn't gut financial reform by any means, but it would be the latest step in Wall Street's death-by-a-thousand-tweaks campaign against it. And that was too much for Warren, who led a liberal revolt against the bill that ultimately failed. But what would this derivatives change even do? Well, swaps are just bets on everything from interest rates to currencies to whether a company is going to go under or not. ...The bigger issue is whether every legislative choke point will turn into another opportunity to whittle away at financial reform. That's why Warren and her allies have decided to draw a line in the sand here, over swaps push-outs. If they don't fight this battle, then they'll have to get ready for the next one over even more important parts of Dodd-Frank—and so on, and so on. But this isn't a fight that all Democrats want. Some of them are happy to give Wall Street what it wants. That's been true ever since Clinton turned them into not the party of business, but a party of business—and particularly Wall Street business. The Warren wing of the Democratic Party, of course, wants to change this. That's why they oppose filling even lower-level Treasury positions with Wall Street veterans, and why they've rallied against a giveaway to big banks tucked away in the government funding bill. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/12/11/elizabeth-warren-is-fighting-wall-street-for-the-soul-of-the-democratic-party/ |
Response to Scuba (Reply #15)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:09 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
16. 1. Hillary has said nothing on that
2. You confuse principles with pragmatism.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #16)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:12 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
17. Hillary has principles? Who knew?
What are they?
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Response to Scuba (Reply #17)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:15 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
18. She is definitely more progressive than Bill
I only have to cite her fight for health care reform against her husband to prove it. But she also has fought for equal rights for many years, and for those on the lower end of the totem pole in society that means alot.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #18)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:19 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
19. Pro war, pro Wall Street, pro TPP, pro Keystone XL, pro H-1B visas, ...
... pro-GMO's, tight with The Family. If that's progressive then I'm George Clooney.
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Response to Scuba (Reply #19)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:20 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
20. You distort facts maybe because you read crap. nt
Response to BootinUp (Reply #20)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:23 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
21. How do you breath with your head buried in the sand?
What do you think is distorted?
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Response to Scuba (Reply #21)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:36 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
22. 1.Keystone
I challenge you to provide a quote where she supports Keystone.
2. TPP. This is a black hole. I support efforts to influence its final form, but blaming somebody for something that is not known is silly. 3. Pro-War. That is a fantasy. Until she declares war you have nothing but a fantasy. Do I need to remind you about Clark's struggles with the same issue regarding Iraq, and he was definitely not Pro-War. 4. Pro-H1B. I do not believe Hillary will do anything to hurt our economy/jobs situation if it is clear what needs to be done. And further, I do not believe she ever has. Economics especially global economics is a complex thing. 5. GMO. What you got on that anyways? I think you have bought into some scary shit. 6. Clooney is awesome. |
Response to BootinUp (Reply #22)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:06 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
26. OK, here ya go ...
I challenge you to provide a quote where she supports Keystone.
A quote, no, she knows better than to open her mouth on this topic. But while Hillary was SOS, this happened ...
State Dept. Hid Contractor's Ties to Keystone XL Pipeline Company http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2013/03/keystone-xl-contractor-ties-transcanada-state-department She lead State while it hired her associates, who previouslyworked for Keystone, to write the State Department's report on the pipeline.
![]() 2. TPP. This is a black hole. I support efforts to influence its final form, but blaming somebody for something that is not known is silly. Much is known, all bad. Hillary is a supporter of pushing this through, and in fact helped draft it..
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-01-10/hillary-clintons-business-legacy-at-the-state-department#p1 (Clinton's) also taken a leading part in drafting the Trans-Pacific Partnership, the free-trade pact that would give U.S. companies a leg up on their Chinese competitors. 3. Pro-War. That is a fantasy. Until she declares war you have nothing but a fantasy. Do I need to remind you about Clark's struggles with the same issue regarding Iraq, and he was definitely not Pro-War. Here ya go ...
4. Pro-H1B. I do not believe Hillary will do anything to hurt our economy/jobs situation if it is clear what needs to be done. And further, I do not believe she ever has. Economics especially global economics is a complex thing. Caught on Tape: "Hillary Clinton Pushes For More H1B Visas and OutSourcing"
5. GMO. What you got on that anyways? I think you have bought into some scary shit. Hillary Clinton Cheerleads for Biotech and GMOs
http://www.nationofchange.org/hillary-clinton-cheerleads-biotech-and-gmos-140517877 6. Clooney is awesome. Maybe, but I ain't no George Clooney. |
Response to BootinUp (Reply #20)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:37 PM
DonCoquixote (13,182 posts)
28. if she wants to disavow
the TPP, the Keystone Pipeline, or sending troops to Syria, she has the perfect pulpit to do so from, indeed, a "Bully Pulpit" indeed...she does not, and that silence says more than a thousand shouts.
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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #28)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:52 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
31. There is no hurry, there is no advantage to her politically, and there is no reason
at all for her to do so.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #31)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:53 PM
DonCoquixote (13,182 posts)
32. other than
give people who are against these ideas a reason to vote FOR her?
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Response to DonCoquixote (Reply #32)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:56 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
34. What, 2 years from now?
I think there is time for these issues to get sorted. I do not mean to minimize the importance of her having the best policy.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #34)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:58 PM
DonCoquixote (13,182 posts)
37. With all due respect
If she does not want to be attacked for not defining her agenda, she needs to DEFINE her agenda. If not, she cannot wonder why people ask her what she will actualy do.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #18)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:06 PM
beerandjesus (1,301 posts)
25. Wait, she *used* to be more progressive than Bill, back in the 90s.
I have seen no such progressive inclinations from her in the last 10 years, since she became a player. Yeah, she voted consistently with the party when the party voted left on social issues, but that's not exactly a hallmark of a progressive leader.
Contrast with Al Gore, who is much *more* progressive today than he was back in 2000. |
Response to beerandjesus (Reply #25)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:51 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
30. I didn't think Al Gore was in office
Let me know when you want to discuss this seriously. I will be happy to oblige.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #30)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:36 AM
beerandjesus (1,301 posts)
40. Whether Al Gore is in office is immaterial to my analogy, Mr. Seriously.
You know, there's a Hillary Group. You're welcome to go troll over there.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #16)
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 08:13 AM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
47. Pragmatism
"Pragmatism" has brought us monopolies in almost every industry that crush the entrepreneurial hopes of the little guy along with giving him/her/us higher costs with no competition & a government so overrun with corporations and large banks that congressmen let them write the laws to govern themselves. Its killed organized labor and brought us organized wealth. Its tattered the social safety net & harms our land, air, & water every second of every day.
You can paint it any pretty word you like & it can't hide the stench of BS. |
Response to Scuba (Reply #8)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:57 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
14. I actually thought you were talking about Jamie
Rubin, and Lloyd somebody I didn't recognize. I see now what you meant. As far as getting money from Wall street, its clear that any Democrat that will run to win, will attempt to persuade Wall street that they will not kill their business. The Wall streeters that are smart will support the Democratic Party.
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Response to Scuba (Reply #8)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:38 PM
elehhhhna (32,076 posts)
23. dont forget walmart
Response to elehhhhna (Reply #23)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:54 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
33. What you are suggesting
is that it is somehow wrong for progressive people to work for Walmart in the hopes the company might get better.
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #33)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:57 PM
elehhhhna (32,076 posts)
35. stop. you're too silly to respond to further.
Response to elehhhhna (Reply #35)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:58 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
36. I wish to record the fact that I was responding to other
silly posts.
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Response to elehhhhna (Reply #23)
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 09:06 AM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
48. FYI, "Elizabeth Warren's Next Target: Walmart" — Mother Jones
Elizabeth Warren's Next Target: Walmart
11/17/14 Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) has it out for Walmart. On Tuesday, the freshman senator will hold an event on Capitol Hill calling out the retail giant for its low wages and terrible employment practices. The briefing will be held a week ahead of the nationwide anti-Walmart protests planned for Black Friday. Warren will be joined by Rep. George Miller (D-Calif.); members of OUR Walmart, a union-backed group helping organize Walmart workers; and representatives from other labor groups. Warren and her colleagues also plan to discuss legislation that could help Walmart employees and other low-wage workers around the country, including measures that would raise the federal minimum wage to $10.10 an hour, forbid unpredictable irregular work schedules for part-time workers, and help prevent employers from retaliating against workers who share wage information... http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2014/11/elizabeth-warren-walmart-black-friday-protest Elizabeth Warren Hosts Walmart Workers On Capitol Hill, Calls For Minimum Wage Hike http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/18/elizabeth-warren-walmart_n_6180316.html |
Response to BootinUp (Reply #1)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 12:42 PM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
44. Clinton was elected to do away with Reagan's policies. I keep wondering
why we have elections at all. Why? Because when we go out and elect Dems who then forget their campaign populism in favor of Wall St, we are told 'it isn't their fault'.
Sorry, Clinton believed in the policies he helped implement. And unless Hillary has a total change of heart on her support for Neocon Foreign Wars and Wall St. I don't expect much in the way of Progressive policies from her campaign. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #44)
Tue Dec 23, 2014, 10:31 PM
BootinUp (40,407 posts)
45. "Clinton believed in the policies he helped implement"
So did the voters (eom).
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Response to BootinUp (Reply #45)
Wed Dec 24, 2014, 01:53 AM
sabrina 1 (62,325 posts)
46. Did they? Many of them had no idea about what was really going on then.
I was one of them. He was a Dem, Dems were the good guys. It was years later I learned about his policies such as ending Glass Steagal, 'reforming' Welfare, deregulating Wall St etc. But at that time even people were a bit uneasy about his policies, what choice did they have?
So over and over people voted for the 'lesser evil'. That seems to be over now. People are realizing that to continue to do that will not only NOT change anything, it emboldens the Right and their political cousins, the Third Way to go even further. So, we have to start all over it seems. If the party won't listen to the voters, the voters will do what they did in the midterms, start where they live. Vote for ballot issues, focus on their local politicians. That worked, eg, here in NYS fracking is now banned. To try to get that done on a national level, would be impossible. So, people are focusing on where they DO have some power, locally and eventually they will build a foundation for the Dem Party that doesn't include the Third Way/DLC/ Republican Lite policies. |
Response to sabrina 1 (Reply #44)
Thu Dec 25, 2014, 09:07 AM
RiverLover (7,830 posts)
49. +1000000000!
Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
Mika (17,751 posts)
2. Reminds me of ...
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:28 PM
Scuba (53,475 posts)
3. I'm sure Jamie and Lloyd love it.
After all, they paid for it.
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:29 PM
Mass (27,315 posts)
4. I saw her earlier and had to check twice to be sure it was not a parody.
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:30 PM
Autumn (40,286 posts)
5. Has she said where she stands on citigroups omnibus bill yet?
I would be more interested in seeing "where she goes" on that.
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Response to Autumn (Reply #5)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 07:11 PM
KoKo (84,711 posts)
43. She's quiet about it all....
I'm assuming she's assessing WHO she has to run against from the Repubs.......and her Handlers told her to stand back and access what her Campaign Tactics would be. They don't want her to "Jump the Gun."
![]() Jeb vs. Hillary .............In my wildest dreams....I would never have figured we would come to this after that Stolen Election. We Left Dems Worked so Hard...there's no way I could have thought that 13 Years Later......it would be THIS! The ROT will go (and more exposure of it) until it is SO Evident to the Populace that they have been violated and abused that they have HAD ENOUGH. I worry I won't live that long ....these days given we have Bush vs Hillary.......but, I'm not giving up trying to change the dialog for the future and exposing to those who are Young who will carry the torch. We've who have lived through this TIME need to use our "Way Back Machine" Skills to retrieve News and to Post and Post to Inform and Reform. Because the Corporate MSM is going to work Overtime. So...I have hope that Reforms can Gain Support....If We Keep Educating. |
Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:39 PM
arcane1 (38,613 posts)
9. Wait, nobody told me she was a daughter too! That changes everything!
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 07:55 PM
NYC_SKP (68,644 posts)
13. Well color me surprised: It's LIP SYNCED!!~!!
The actual voice is that of one "T. Wilson".
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/04/the-guy-from-that-stand-with-hillary-video-has-also-played-jesus-starred-in-an-ariana-grande-music-video/ Is anyone surprised that this pandering production is mostly illusion? Pfffffft. |
Response to NYC_SKP (Reply #13)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 09:21 PM
KoKo (84,711 posts)
27. What's interesting is that this was Played on Bloomberg Business News Politics, Today!
I never saw it posted and De-bunked here on DU for what you say about "Lip Syncing."
So WHY was That? I had to see it on Bloomberg and not DU...where we have many Hillary supporters that surely I would have seen that Video posted here. Did they inform the PAC early that it was a "No Go" that people could tell it was LIP-SYNCED? Is there an Underground/Underground that Vetts these things before they get out to the Public...including Dem Websites and are Shut Down before they Get Out There? This Video appeared today on Bloomberg News.......WHY did it TAKE SO LONG? |
Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 08:47 PM
Thinkingabout (30,058 posts)
24. Since Hillary does not have a pac the title should read PAC for Hillary.
The video does not appear to have the statement "I am Hillary Clinton and I approve of this message", creates suspension of the sources. Hillary will not be into the PAC's until she announces and until then she will not have her pac.
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Tue Dec 16, 2014, 10:56 PM
delrem (9,688 posts)
38. Oh wow, that was bad. That was just awful.
There's just no way that kind of tripe can actually win, in the USA, is there?
Sometimes I think Reagan destroyed US democracy forever by proving that what people really want is a B-Team actor fronting for big money and big war, and it doesn't matter a damn what actually goes down under that facade so long as there's a fireside, a soothing voice and jellybeans. I couldn't watch it, it was just too damn awful. |
Response to delrem (Reply #38)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:25 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
42. You didn't like the guy's singing?
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 12:20 AM
Phlem (6,323 posts)
39. Huh...
Interesting what passes for sanity these days.
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Response to KoKo (Original post)
Wed Dec 17, 2014, 08:22 AM
Enthusiast (50,983 posts)
41. "We’re needing a leader who’s tough and ready, whose got vision."
Lol!
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