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May 8, 2021

Please help me with these arguments.

I was directed to post this in gun control instead of general. There are two gun controls, so I will post in both.

I am from Missouri and I would like to discuss what I have picked up from the mostly GOP around here pertaining to gun control and police violence.

How do you counter some of this:

1 - You are a hypocrite, if you both protest police violence and want to ban assault weapons but your gun control allows the same cops you protest to keep assault weapons? If they are only for war, and the cops are not at war, why do the cops get to keep weapons of war? Do you want a group you don’t trust not to be abusive to be better armed than you?

2 - If your state gets to ignore federal drug laws by legalizing weed in your state, then red states can do the same in the face of an assault weapon ban.

3 - If your local government can refuse to enforce federal immigration laws, then don’t complain when our local government refuses to enforce your ban.

I guess they do have a point about it being extremely difficult to enforce a law local rural towns refuse to enforce. All the red between KC and STL won’t enforce a ban and the state (along with other states are saying they won’t.)

How do we deal with this?

Also, they seem to feel red flag laws are easily abused as the person is assumed guilty. Some have suggested that, since Missouri has no registration (and then therefore Biden would not know who as what), they could preemptively hide a good portion of their guns off site for that and/or a federal ban. Just registering a few to give the impression they are going along.

That will be hard to deal with. I don’t have an answer for being able to detect if someone has a cache of hidden guns in some site away from their home in the event of a 3am raid. How do you force someone to prove a negative (prove you didn’t hide some guns)?

Anyway, after years of hearing chatter over gun laws and now with President Biden saving this country, I thought I would see what you all have to say about some of this.

Thank you.

May 8, 2021

Please help me with these arguments.

I tried to start this in GD, but was told to self delete. I guess this is where the thread belonged:

I am from Missouri and I would like to discuss what I have picked up from the mostly GOP around here pertaining to gun control and police violence.

How do you counter some of this:

1 - You are a hypocrite, if you both protest police violence and want to ban assault weapons but your gun control allows the same cops you protest to keep assault weapons? If they are only for war, and the cops are not at war, why do the cops get to keep weapons of war? Do you want a group you don’t trust not to be abusive to be better armed than you?

2 - If your state gets to ignore federal drug laws by legalizing weed in your state, then red states can do the same in the face of an assault weapon ban.

3 - If your local government can refuse to enforce federal immigration laws, then don’t complain when our local government refuses to enforce your ban.

I guess they do have a point about it being extremely difficult to enforce a law local rural towns refuse to enforce. All the red between KC and STL won’t enforce a ban and the state (along with other states are saying they won’t.)

How do we deal with this?

Also, they seem to feel red flag laws are easily abused as the person is assumed guilty. Some have suggested that, since Missouri has no registration (and then therefore Biden would not know who as what), they could preemptively hide a good portion of their guns off site for that and/or a federal ban. Just registering a few to give the impression they are going along.

That will be hard to deal with. I don’t have an answer for being able to detect if someone has a cache of hidden guns in some site away from their home in the event of a 3am raid. How do you force someone to prove a negative (prove you didn’t hide some guns)?

Anyway, after years of hearing chatter over gun laws and now with President Biden saving this country, I thought I would see what you all have to say about some of this.

Thank you.

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