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CNN: Some 2016 Trump voters regret their vote.

Panel of 6 women voters in swing states, all of whom voted for Trump in 2016, 3 of which are now going to vote for Biden.

The idea that Trump can't lose votes is a myth - he can with more moderate voters who actually use their brains.

Alot of them are out of shape cowards w/personality issues,

who really should not be doing that job, but the unions protect them.

The reality is that cops also abuse alot of whites, yet many whites view the police as defenders of white America, so don't join in BLM and others who critique the police.

Problem is many whites WANT a fascist for 'their' side,

always have. America has never been a democracy for everyone and white America has worked overtime for hundreds of years to make sure of that. There are virtuous whites who have always stood against this, but they are not enough to outnumber the evil whites.

I think Biden must attack Trump on the economy, which polls show is somehow his strength. Biden needs to drive home to voters that the stock market (which is artifically inflated by the Fed shoveling cheap money) and the economy are not the same thing. Regular people are being shit on while the big corps are bailed out. This is the message which will guarantee us the Midwest ie help us with working class whites and latinos which Biden needs to improve with, as well as progressives.

-Covid mishandling. he downplayed it to prop up the market while the bodybags piled up.
-Chaos. violence, crime and racial unrest are a result of Trump's intentional divisiveness as he thinks it helps him politically.
-Corporations. big corps are riding high with 'free money' while regular folks (small biz and workers) get shit on and sent into the pandemic to die for the 1 percent.
-healthCare - very important for most people including many who have lost their coverage due to losing their job.

Covid, chaos, corps and healthcare - those are the messages to hit on. Trump has no comeback for this, game over as long as we turn out the vote.

Nailed it. This is what animates the RW,

even pre-Trump, it's just that he says the quiet parts out loud.

The majority of whites will throw away democracy itself (and will side with dictators like Putin) to maintain white supremacy. There are also some non-whites who will choose to be 'house slaves' and side with the RW. None of these people are abandoning Trump for any reason.

However, a story like this could have an impact with moderate Repubs and independents who are on the fence. Such voters tend to view issues of national security and the military to be very important, and Biden actually is more conservative (and more establishment) than Trump on these issues.

Market being artifically pumped while regular people beg for help.

That's the real scandal here, the big corps getting bailed out again while regular folk get shit on.

Unfortunately many regular people don't get this, that the stock market and the economy is not the same thing.

Dems are missing this as an issue, and how to frame it - we can't let Trump (who inherited Obama's economy) beat us on the economy.

The past two Dem presidents ushered in great economies while the last two Repub presidents were terrible.

I'm no fan of MM but think he offers a legit critique,

because he understands the crucial Midwestern states and how the white working class voters (which we do need at least a good portion of) think.


The documentary film-maker Michael Moore has warned that Donald Trump appears to have such momentum in some battleground states that liberals risk a repeat of 2016 when many wrote off Trump only to see him grab the White House.

“Sorry to have to provide the reality check again,” he said.

Moore, one of few political observers to predict Trump’s victory over Hillary Clinton in 2016, said that “enthusiasm for Trump is off the charts” in key areas compared with the Democratic party nominee, Joe Biden.

“Are you ready for a Trump victory? Are you mentally prepared to be outsmarted by Trump again? Do you find comfort in your certainty that there is no way Trump can win? Are you content with the trust you’ve placed in the DNC [Democratic National Committee] to pull this off?” Moore posted on Facebook late on Friday.

Moore identified opinion polling in battleground states such as Minnesota and Michigan to make a case that the sitting president is running alongside or ahead of his rival.

“The Biden campaign just announced he’ll be visiting a number of states – but not Michigan. Sound familiar?” Moore wrote, presumably indicating Hillary Clinton’s 2016 race when she made the error of avoiding some states that then swung to Trump.

The Midwest is not the Dem stronghold it once was, white voters have moved rightward (and Trump's fear tactics work with many of them), and there is voter suppression to stop liberal constitutencies (youth, PoC, etc) from voting.

Biden/Dems need to fight like our lives depended on it for those states. We can afford to lose MN and/or WI (especially if we win FL) but must win both PA and MI.

Dems need to pitch a liberal version of white identity politics.

The GOP scoops them up because they play to white identity and make the Dems out to be only for PoC, women etc and not for them.

We need to speak directly to them - not in a race neutral sense - but specifically about issues (jobs, healthcare, drug addiction, mental health, etc) affecting whites and be clear about it being a 'white working class agenda'. Same goes for young voters, speak directly to their issues and be clear it's 'for them'. IOW, we need to add identities to our list of groups we fight for.

As a gen-x aged PoC, I can tell you that many gen-x (middle aged) and younger whites are not really conservative, and can be reached by speaking directly to them. They complain about identity politics but really only because they don't feel included or that a message is tailored 'for them only' the way we message to blacks/latinos/women/gays etc.

Then why do black/brown working class vote Dem?

The 'liberal elite' narrative is bullshit when we consider that Dem voters have a lower avg income than Repub.

Rural whites (and conservative whites in general) don't like to be called out on their retrograde views on race/gender/etc - hence 'snobby liberals telling me what to do'. Too bad - they've been coddled for hundreds of years.

Exactly, it's the conventional wisdom of white guys.

Some of which is based on hard data, other is based on worldview. White guys overwhelmingly hold an anti-Dem (or Dem paranoia) worldview which is reflected in the markets.

In 2016 Hillary was up to 86 cents on the day before election day. White guys have deep fear of Hillary and always think she can magically be president at any moment. Many still think she will be 'inserted' as president if Biden wins.

This year, Susan Rice was up to 65 cents on the day Harris was chosen. Rice has long been feared by white guys as 'another Hillary'.

The riots are not having the impact white guys think it will. Most voters outside of white guy world know Trump is divisive and destructive, and are not going to blame the calm/steady Biden - he's not the president, Trump is.

RW accelerationists doing most of the damage.

These are people pretending the be antifa and BLM in order to defame the left/liberals/Dems in the minds of white voters.
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